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  1. Does theory about George R. R. Martin never finish WOF, let alone DOTS, considered baseless prediction or likely scenario? I'm not sure. Anyway, recently he got involved in developing game "Elden Ring", which gave him en excuse not to work on the book fans so want from him. Certainly, after this he will start working on the script for some new HBO show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-CUJxIQkpA
  2. You mean industrialization? Don't thinks world of asoiaf can have one. They seems to be stuck in medieval times for the last 10k years and unlikely advance any further, just like the most fantasy worlds. Still, even considering the level of technology and economic development we have today, there are more then 40 millions of slaves in the our word right now [source]. So, nothing really can change.
  3. Oh, come on, of course he would say that. He still has a books to sell. From G. R. R. R. Martin himself we know that he told D&D his endings and some secrets from the books : Bran will become king, how Hodor became a communist mentally challenged, Dany's tyrannical reign, how Others were created, Euron will start putting fingers in the bums of major characters (figuratively, I hope )... So we know how approximately things will play out. Aerys was objectively insane, Aegon V, who burned down his entire family, too. Rhaegar is also qualified to be called mad, or at least he's fabulous idiot who was obsessed with the prophecy of the prince who was promised. Inbreeding does leave a mark in generation. Usually, in this cases, intelligence is affected the most.
  4. It's depends on what you mean by the endgame. Highly unlikely it all would ended up with Cersei and Golden Company VS Dany, Jon, Arya, Sansa, & Co. More possible, main antagonist will be Others, or Euron, or Bloodraven, or Hot Pie. Aegon can become a casualty or unsuspected winner in this conflict.
  5. According to the spoilers from the show, Daenerys, sooner or later, will become a mad tyrant, being true to her heritage. So it's not question about who out two of them will look like a bad guy/girl, but how much in "The Game of Thrones" Aegon's role in the books D&D have joined with Jon's in the show. It's possible that it's Aegon will be banging his aunt and later on will kill her. By the way, guys, there is a big chance that in the WOW Gerold Dayne will steal the sword Dawn, flee from the forces of Doran Martell and, later on, join Aegon's side, possible his new kingsguard, in the sense a parody on Arthur Dayne, Sword of the Morning.
  6. To reveal true Aegons identity, if it turns out to be false, can only Varys or Illyrio. And, for obvious reasons, they won't do that. There also possibility of Deus ex machina, when Dany would see incredible detailed dragon vision, where all the fact and evidence againt Aegon will be laid out, but I not sure that G. R.R. Martin will go that route.
  7. Why Golden Company with the Blackfyres never tried to forge their own kingdom in Essos? If some corsairs managed to do this with The Basilisk Isles, why a large band of professional mercenaries couldn't? Even if it wasn't their goal, still, controlled kingdom could have helped with the resources needed for the invasion of Westeros and conquest of Iron Throne.
  8. Isn't Graces like septas, who couldn't marry? Still, Malazza from the Yunkai would be a better match. After all, she's Yunkai's own Daenerys Targaryen.
  9. G. R.R. Martin told us that second Dance of Dragons gonna happen in asoiaf and I'm 90% sure that "dancing" will be Aegon with Dany. So, obviously, Aegon is pretty big deal for the series. I agree that when Dany will actually get to the Westeros, there will be beloved king Aegon, under whom many faction united. In this scenario, it's Daenerys with her horde of dothrakis, army of eunuchs and ironborns, will be viewed as foreign invader and usurper. I'm also pretty sure that Varys kidnapped Tyrek Lannister during the riots in the KL, for his 4D chess political strategy, and later on recruited him. After all, considering that Varys killed Kevan in TDwD, which shortened line of succession of lordship of Casterly Rock even farther. Now, all what is stand between Tyrek and grand lordship is Cersei, her bastard children, Martyn and his sister Janei. If status of Cersei's children will become known and with Kevan's younger kids something happens, Tyrek could become a new lord of the Lannisters and the Westerlands. The same goes with the Stormlands. I don't actually believe that Jon Connington can become a grand lord of the Stormlands, more likely that Varys will try to get Edric Storm from Lys, true born son of the "beloved" Robert Baratheon. After all, Varys originate from Lys and likely has some spy network there. So, by putting Edric under the banner of Aegon, he will win stormlords. The Vale and the Reach are tricky. If in the Vale Varys has an agent Shadrich "the Mad Mouse", who can snatch ether Robert Arryn or Sansa Stark, than in the Reach all what Aegon has mysterious "friends" of the members of the GK. If it's some Rowans or Peakes, then it's doesn't help much Aegon's cause, but if it's Randyll Tarly himself, who grew tired of his incompetent overlord, things will get pretty interesting. So, Aegon has a very good chance to do what even Dany with dragons couldn't - unite Westeros, or at least most of it. Aegon also led his men into assault of the Storm End, it's takes a bravery, something Dany never did or had. Also, statistically likely (80%) that Aegon is Targaryen : He a real Aegon, son of Rhaegar and Elia; Descendant of Aerion Brightflame; Bastard son of Rhaegar and Ashara Dayne; Twin brother of Jon; Blackfyre (*_*)
  10. I'm certain that there wasn't raping. Lord Jon ordered so. Some girls, maybe, were persuaded to a completely consensual sexual relationship. Aegon will probably survived in TWoW. After all, it's silly to kill character who was just introduced in the series, not to mention all that hype and Varys with Illyrio standing behind him.
  11. Everyone knows that Aegon is an awesome and charismatic character, but not many readers know that he also a better ruler and leader than Daenerys and Jon combine. What a make character/person a good, even potential, ruler and leader? Obviously the most important thing it's education. What we know about Aegon's education? That is quite impressive. I'm sure that most of Westerosi don't get half as good education. He also received practical skills, which makes him more independent and more closer to peasant class people, as well as more appealing to them, and knowledge of the multiple languages will surely helps with foreign diplomacy. Heavy education in faith of the Seven and religiosity of Aegon is huge matter on it's on. Absolute majority of Westerosi is religious and most follow Faith of the Seven religion. As we know Jon is following old Gods, who is worshipped mostly in the North and Daenerys, wherever dark Gods of death and destruction she follows, unlikely would be popular in Meereen or Westeros. Oh yes, Daenerys. What little Daenerys have been taught by Viserys, didn't helped her much considering that her kingdom Meereen is in the war with the entire Slaver's Bay, has huge economic and epidemic problems, not to mention social and cultural catastrophes. She failed at all fronts. Turns out not all problems can be dealt with dragonfire and an army of eunuchs. She still has support of the liberated slaves, but for how long? Maybe I'm too harsh on her, after all she is only 16. the same age Greta Thunberg was when became famous and quite similar to the Daenerys in character . Of course, if Greta had dragons, she would have solved all the world problems... Or would she? Not all the problems can be fixed right now, for some it takes several tomorrows and even years. What about Jon, you would ask? Ah yes, Jon. He had good education, as good as he could have get in the North, which helped him get into position of power when he became Lord Commander of the Night's Watch, an elite Order of murderers, robbers and traitors, with some occasional volunteers. In this company he was, indeed, the best of the worst. Still, props should be given when they earned : Jon managed to make peace and recruit desperate free folk who was running for their lives from the Others. For the majority of the Night's Watch Jon made a bunch of questionable decisions and Jon's determination to to desert from the Order and brake his oath, over some lunatic insult him, was the final straw which broke the direwolfs back and he was executed by his fellow brother. Which also, by the way, was completely by the word of the law. What else make a good ruler? Well, it's a team. Loyal, competent team of professionals. This also the place where Aegon shines : lord Jon Connington, Haldon, Lemora, ser Rolly Duckfield, Franklyn Flowers, Lysono Maar, lord Laswell Peake with brothers and, the most important, Illyrio Mopatis and THE VARYS. Any ruler or leader who has full loyalty and support of the Spider, are 10 steps ahead of any other. The only person who close to Aegon and, likely, to betray him is Harry Strickland. Still, at least he isn't stabbed in the back and front by his brothers (Jon) or has entire list of prepared prophesied betrayals (Dany).
  12. In any way, Aegon doesn't go to Daenerys or even plans to, which means that he isn't a mummer's dragon from Quaithe's prophecy. The same goes for the Jon "Griff'' Connington - he isn't griffin. More likely that it's Dany will go to them. There is four possible explanation to this dilemma : Aegon isn't a mummer's dragon from Quaithe's prophecy, just like I wrote higher. Quaithe are lying to Dany, so she would develop some kind of paranoia and see enemies everywhere and don't trust anyone, in order to create the same mad person like her father was (or Dany from the final season of the show). Quaithe is incompetent prophet. From where she gaining her prophecies anyway? Shade of the evening is showing what you want to see; Dragon/Wolf dreams are difficult to interpret, just like R'hllor's fire visions. It's a plot hole which George R. R. Martin didn't know how to fix.
  13. I agree that Southron Ambitions theory is kinda shaky, but on other hand second/third sons don't really have much of the prospects in the terms of marriage. At best they would marry some daughter of vassal lord and at worst will go to the night watch. Even Stannis, brother to the king Robert and a lord himself, married just a niece of Lord Alester Florent. P.S. For the same reason, if Robert's Rebellion never happened, there is no real possibility for marriage Ned and Ashara, not to mention there was no chemistry alchemy there. So, take this NedxAshara fanfiction fans. Maybe it's like what happened with the main line of the house Wettin recently : head of the house, Michael, hated his cousin's banker son so much, the only young heir, that he disinherited him and then, allegedly, set up very suspicious horse riding accident. So now main line surely will die out.
  14. I find it strange that Jon Arryn took care about everyone's marriages, except his own heir Elbert, who was at least in his 20(s), but likely in his 30(s). Robert was supposed to get married to Lyanna, just like Brandon to Catelyn, which would have tied North, Strormlands and Riverlands together. But what about the Vale? I originally thought that Jon planned to marry off Elbert to Lysa Tully, when she would had got little older, but then I saw discussions in : Where general consensus that Hoster Tully and Tywin Lannister planed marry Jaime and Lysa, before Jaime was taken into the Kingsguard by Aerys. If there hasn't been Robert's Rebellion, highest titled bride would have been Cersei Lannister, but I don't think that Elbert is a better "match" then Rhaegar Tywin was talking about. There was also Ashara Dayne, but, although she is a beautiful and all, and Daynes are ancient house, I don't think that Jon would ever considered that for Arryns. So, what Jon Arryn planned in regards to his heir Elbert, what do you think?
  15. I''m always been thinking that they were pretty important : they have the same genes as a Bloodraven, so they or their decedants could have become a greenseers. (Before anyone tell me that only 1/1000000 can become a greenseer, look at the Starks - all Eddard's kids + Jon Snow are skinchangers, and it's really isn't 1*/1000 what we were told).
  16. Those things I just don't see happening : 1. A Dream of Spring ever being finished by George Martin. 2. Dany becoming a likeable or interesting character. 3. Sam Tarly becoming a second Neville Longbottom. 4. Ashara Dayne being dead.
  17. Guys, do we know what happened to Gwenys and Mya Rivers? I doubd that Brynden would do to them, his sisters, the same thing he done with Alysanne, Lily, Willow and Rosey. Also, considering that Gwenys and Mya were noble origin and have been legitimized, they become Targaryens, so their value for the crown was increased.
  18. As we know from the Cersei's prophecy : "Gold will be their crowns, and gold their shrouds", which means that after the Tommen's death, Myrcella will be a queen for some time. If Tommen dies, Margaery will become a widow for a third time and quit being a queen, so Tyrells would no longer have a motivation to support the Lanninsters-on-the-throne, and possible Tyrells's proposition to marry Myrcella to Willas will be rejected by Cersei outright. So, in this time period, where the Reach has a massive problems with the Euron's ironborn, it's possible for Mace to allied himself to Aegon's faction. That's where proposal to marry Margaery will came up, and I agree that it will be wisely rejected by JonCon or Aegon. Maybe Laswell Peake? By the way. Maybe Cersei will try relive her own the past at the expense of her daughter, by proposing Myrcella to Aegon? After all, Cersei was fixated on the Rhaegar her whole life. I'm pretty sure that if it's you (or me) who come up against infectious-humanoid-stone-grey-monsters, we would just simply shit our pants. To fight a first real battle against a group of stone men, terribly unfortunate.
  19. I don't agree with that part. If Tyrell's alliance with Lannisters will crumble, for example if Tommen dies or Tyrells will finaly get fed up with Cersei, they would likely try to secure union with new rising power - Aegon. Only way they can do that, is by marriage. So, Margaery is still in the game. Still, I would personally prefer Sansa for Aegon.
  20. Well, there a lot of problems with those theories. First of all, Mace Tyrell is married and has children with Alerie Hightower, the daughter of Lord Leyton Hightower, so wherever side Hightowers will pick out is solely depends on the Tyrells. So there is no allusion on the first Dance of Dragons. Secondly, as I mentioned, there is no logical way for JonCon and Egg to get quickly the Oldtown or, more importantly, to defeat ironborn on the sea. "Friends from the Reach" can't be many house. So it's probably a Peake, who have living relatives in the GK, or, if those relatives claiming lost titles, friends could be Rowans or Caswells. Last house is interesting because it has unpleasant history with Rolly Duckfield. If Arianne decides that Aegon is probably real, then she wouldn't see a point in marrying her first cousin. If she decides that he's a fake... Well, marriage with adventurer with unknown origin is quite dumb, and Arianne isn't stupid.
  21. If you implying that Aegon and Co will save the day by retaking/protecting Oldtown from Euron and get famous doing so, then I don't know how it's even possible. Even if "dark horse" Aurane Waters will decide to pick a new patron and join his fleet to Aegon's forces, ten ships, even large dromonds, are not nearly enough to beat Euron's fleet which will certainly smash Paxter's. By the way, guys, Gerold Dayne definitely will join Aegon and, probably, will become a member of his Kingsguard. Not only it will be symbolic - Dayne (maybe with stolen sword Dawn) in the kingsguard, but also the most logical development for the character of the Darkstar : after becoming an outlaw in Dorne his only option is to leave it. And the closest possible destination for him is a rising power Aegon, who currently is in the war with Lannisters. P.S. If Aegon is half Dayne, by some theory, Gerold's joining to the Young Griff would make a lot of sense.
  22. I been thinking about a possibility of "evil" Dany even before TV Show came out. Just think about : Aegon will definitely take control of the Stormlands and, I think, will get the King's Landing without a fight, considering that he heard about "a cloth dragon swayed on poles amidst a cheering crowd, which probably means that by the time Aegon will get there, city will be happy to see "son of Rhaegar" saving them from wherever. Such enthusiasm of citizens will be probably a result on 33% of Varys's work, 34% of Cersei's f*ck up's and the rest 33% of High Sparrow's blessings, to which Tyene Sand and Aegon's personality contribute a lot. By that time. by my speculations, Tommen would die. Tyrrells will join Aegon : mysterious "friends from the Reach" will push Mace to Egg and Ko after the Tyrells would lose interest in alliance with the Lannisters and due to increased threat of Eurone (He will crush the fleet of Paxter Redwyne, info is 100% correct). When Daenerys will get to Westeros with her forces, which would consist mostly of Victarion ironborn fleet, Unsullied and dothrakis (she will take control of, at the very minimum, whole Jhaqo's khalasar ( *dothraki by culture are nomadic riders, so when they see Daenerys on top of Drogon, they will start to worship her as some kinds of goddess), Aegon would control at least half of the 7Kingdoms, including the capital - King's Landing. So, by the time of the "Dance", for most people of Westeros images of the "dancers" will be clear, on one side Golden Company, knights, lords, church and military orders, and on other : terrible dragons, war eunuchs, wild savages and ironborns... You can probably guess for whom they would be rooting for and who will look like a hero, and who like a villain.
  23. Thank you for the answer. I seriously never thought about it. Now I curious how they decide who will give up her/his claim. Ryon Allyrion never mentioned having any siblings and could as well be the only child. On the other hand, Ynys brother Cletus Yronwood has died during the journey with Quentyn Martell, and little Gwyneth can and likely is a secret bastard, if we take into consideration that she is the only in her family of stony dornishmans, who have a very sandy dornish looks. Hey, maybe even Ryon Allyrion is her real father, who already fathered a bastard - Daemon. Well, it's my small speculation. Anyway, house Yronwood is much more powerful than house Allyrion, so maybe it's that's how they decide? And what about second question about Sylva?
  24. I never stoped wondering about this: in Dorne, which has absolute primogeniture, If Ryon Allyrion, heir of Delonne Allyrion and house Allyrion, married Ynyn Yronwood, eldest child and heir of house Yronwood, and they had two children. So, which house absorbs which? Other question : Sylva Santagar, the heir of Symon Santagar, was married to lord Eldon Estermont, from the Stormlands. Does it means that if they would have a child together, all titles and lands of the house Santagar will move to a house Estermont and, therefore, to the Stormlands?
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