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  1. Timeline Recap: 281: Ned meets Ashara at the Tourney at Harrenhal 282- Abduction of Lyanna and deaths of Rickard and Brandon 282-283- Roberts Rebellion 283- Robb Stark born at Riverrun 284- Tower of Joy 283: Jon Arryn calls the banners - Ned goes through the mountains and fingers (roughly 26-31 days about 470-570 miles) - Ned than takes a fishing boat to Sisterton (roughly 15 days about 590-650 miles) - Ned takes a boat to White Harbor (roughly 4 days about 420 miles) - Ned rides or takes boat upriver to Winterfell (roughly 10 days 630 miles) (He leaves Ashara in White Harbor. Most likely being hidden in the Wolfs Den) - Ned waits for his banner men to arrive at least 41 days (It is at this time Ned probably made a trip back to White Harbor to spend time with Ashara while he waits for his banner men. They do the tango a few times and she becomes pregnant with Jon.) - Ned and Co march south to the crossing to meet Jon Arryn (roughly 83 days about 16650 miles) - Ned Marches to Riverrun (about 24 days 470 miles) - Ned rides to Stoney Sept (Battle of the Bells) to save Robert (about 8 days roughly 280 miles) - Ned marches back to Riverrun to Marry Cat (about 10-14 days roughly 280 miles) - Battle of the Trident 130 days later - Dany is conceived prior to the sack of Kings Landing -Sack of KL about 15 days later - Jon is born (within a month of Dany's conception)
  2. -Old Nan!!!! Where is she? The dreadfort? Winterfell? - I’d say Leyton Hightower but I’m very confident we will see him when Euron sacks Oldtown. SOOOOOOO ill be different and pick a different dayne... Allyria Dayne. She was betrothed to Beric, Has she been notified about his death? Remember Edric “Ned” Dayne is the current lord of Starfall. After Beric passes the flame of life to Cat the brotherhood splits up, some stay with Cat (Thoros/Jack-be-lucky/Harwin/etc) Some go with Ned (The mad huntsman/Anguy). It’s not far fetched that Ned and Co are looking for Arya and might bump back into their former counterparts. Who knows what information each could have at this point especially if Ned is communicating with Starfall (just to be different) - this is pure bias just because I know it would be interesting chapter but the Sealord of Bravos. I would love to see him appear in a Arya chapter.
  3. There is no doubt that House Hightower has shaped the citadel from the beginning. And history is written from the winners.. Not all of them are liars, Luwin has given no indication of lying. I think he truly didn’t understand the threat of white walkers and the children, the citadel forbids certain ways of thinking (exactly what marwyen tell Sam). The Daynes and Hightowers could easily have married into each other’s houses 1000’s of years ago or just men and women of each house getting together..
  4. All very interesting points. But any clue as to what she the candles to burn a hundred years ago? @Megorova @Daeron the Daring
  5. ACOK Dany V: “Xaro looked troubled. "And so it was, then. But now? I am less certain. It is said that the glass candles are burning in the house of Urrathon Night-Walker, that have not burned in a hundred years.” This Urrathon Night Walker has always made me wonder. Who and or what is this man/place of significance? It is the only time in ASOIAF and other text in WOIAF we hear of Urrathon Night Walker (and directly related to glass candles). Xaro mentions the glass candles haven’t burnt in a hundred years, what happened a hundred years ago to make them burn? “Glass Candles” are only mentioned a handful a times throughout the entire series: -twice in Dany (ACOK/ADWD) -AFFC Prologue 5 times -AFFC Sam IV/V 4 times (Citadel connection) In The World of Ice and Fire, GRRM purposely left Qarth out, there is no mention of glass candles either (It could have been very easy to slip some detail in the world book...)Nor is there any mention of them in Dunk & Egg (about hundred years before our current story... What during this time would make class candles burn in qarth? There were no dragons...). No mention of glass candles or urrathon night walker in Rogue Prince and Princess and the Queen. The only other mention of “Urrathon”, The world of Ice and Fire: The Iron Islands- Driftwood Crowns “Upon the death of King Urragon III Greyiron (Urragon the Bald), his younger sons hurriedly convened a kingsmoot whilst their elder brother Torgon was raiding up the Mander, thinking that one of them would be chosen to wear the driftwood crown. To their dismay, the captains and kings chose Urrathon Goodbrother of Great Wyk instead. The first thing the new king did was command that the sons of the old king be put to death. For that, and for the savage cruelty he oft displayed during his two years as king, Urrathon IV Goodbrother is remembered in history as Badbrother. When Torgon Greyiron returned at last to the Iron Islands, he declared the kingsmoot to be invalid because he had not been present to make a claim. The priests supported him in this, for they had grown weary of Badbrother's arrogance and impiety. Smallfolk and great lords alike arose at their call, rallying to Torgon's banners, until Urrathon's own captains hacked Urrathon into pieces. Torgon the Latecomer became king in his stead, and ruled for forty years without ever having been chosen and proclaimed at a kingsmoot. This like the Quiet Isle doesnt get enough attention. Any thoughts?
  6. He also said Jon died and that was the end of it when he met his fate at the wall... We will get the answer when the books come.
  7. Timeline Recap: 281: Ned meets Ashara at the Tourney at Harrenhal 282- Abduction of Lyanna and deaths of Rickard and Brandon 282-283- Roberts Rebellion 283- Robb Stark born at Riverrun 284- Tower of Joy 283: Jon Arryn calls the banners - Ned goes through the mountains and fingers (roughly 26-31 days about 470-570 miles) - Ned than takes a fishing boat to Sisterton (roughly 15 days about 590-650 miles) - Ned takes a boat to White Harbor (roughly 4 days about 420 miles) - Ned rides or takes boat upriver to Winterfell (roughly 10 days 630 miles) (He leaves Ashara in White Harbor. Most likely being hidden in the Wolfs Den) - Ned waits for his banner men to arrive at least 41 days (It is at this time Ned probably made a trip back to White Harbor to spend time with Ashara while he waits for his banner men. They do the tango a few times and she becomes pregnant with Jon.) - Ned and Co march south to the crossing to meet Jon Arryn (roughly 83 days about 16650 miles) - Ned Marches to Riverrun (about 24 days 470 miles) - Ned rides to Stoney Sept (Battle of the Bells) to save Robert (about 8 days roughly 280 miles) - Ned marches back to Riverrun to Marry Cat (about 10-14 days roughly 280 miles) - Battle of the Trident 130 days later - Dany is conceived prior to the sack of Kings Landing -Sack of KL about 15 days later - Jon is born (within a month of Dany's conception)
  8. I don’t have a timeline in regards to when Varys snuck Aegon away because Aegon was born at the Tower of Joy, son of Rhaegar and Lyanna...
  9. As I said many times before (and have provided what i believe the correct timeline) Aegon is legit...
  10. ADWD Bran 34:Bran is currently in Bloodraven’s cave and is having a Weirwood vision in his sleep through Winterfell’s Heart tree he sees the following:A) His young father praying with a bowed head "…let them grow up close as brothers, with only love between them, and let my lady wife find it in her heart to forgive." This is bran watching Ned pray to the gods that Rob and Jon will grow up close and Cat will hopefully stop being a bitch ass wench. Jon is Neds but thats a different thread. A girl and a younger boy play fighting with branches. Most likely Lyanna and Benjen playing as kids C) A pregnant woman coming out of the black pool praying for a son to avenge her. This is the most difficult to pinpoint. It could be the original Lord Starks wife and the tale of Bael the Bard coming to life. Or a Stark daughter... D) A slender girl on her toes kissing a knight as tall as Hodor. This is either Rhonne or a stark maiden kissing Duncan the Tall (probably connected to C if it’s a stark daughter) E) A pale, dark-eyed youth cutting three branches from the weirwood and shaping them into arrows. This is Brandon Snow, half brother to king who knelt Torren Stark. Brandon was going to either kill Aegon the conqueror/or the dragons. F) Other lords of the North and Winterfell: tall, hard, stern men in fur and chain mail; A bearded man forcing a captive down on his knees, and a white-haired woman killing the captive with a bronze sickle. Lets focus on F)1) This can either just be the First Men performing blood sacrifice to the old gods (they didn’t worship the old gods when they first came to Westeros they adopted the old gods from the Children of the Forest) Notice how the blood sacrifice is in front of a Weirwood…. The Weirwood is a death god (part of the lie of the 7) 2) This can be the lords and elite of Winterfell/North executing a poacher, thief, rapist, we don’t know (still doing death worship regardless) or it can be something more. Can this be a execution of a Brandon Stark?!?!?!?! Some people think its Bran the Builder but I doubt its him. As he is so known I think if he was executed we would know. Why am I specifically asking if this is a execution of a Brandon Stark. Let’s read the text real quickly:“And now the lords Bran glimpsed were tall and hard, stern men in fur and chain mail. Some wore faces he remembered from the statues in the crypts, but they were gone before he could put a name to them. Then, as he watched, a bearded man forced a captive down onto his knees before the heart tree. A white-haired woman stepped through a drift of dark red leaves, a bronze sickle in her hand. "No," said Bran, "no, don't," but they could not hear him, no more than his father had. The woman grabbed the captive by the hair, hooked the sickle round his throat, and slashed. And through the mist of centuries the broken boy could only watch as the man's feet drummed against the earth . . . but as the life flowed out of him in a red tide, Brandon Stark could taste the blood.”It says Brandon Stark could taste blood. Now is that our Brandon or the Brandon who just died? Or are they one of the same in some shape and form? Old Nan firmly believes the Night King was a Brandon Stark and the Others feast on blood and remember the Night King was taken down by the other Lord Stark- his brother. So could this be Lord Stark executing his brother (only to become the Night King- the all white women is there too. In the legend he gives her his seed here we see it’s life’s blood.A few things to make note of, before we go any further, Chain Mail (many thought the first men didn’t have chain mail as they didn’t have steel or iron but they must have made it out of bronze), Bronze Sickle (this implies the timeframe this is happening most likely before the Andals as the they brought steel and iron with them, the first men used bronze. So this could be happening 6-8k years ago (Long Night anyone?) When Bran first meets Coldhands, Coldhands says to Bran when asked who he is, “Your monster, Brandon Stark." This line is so subtle but so important as it completely ties Coldhands to the Night King and Bran’s role in the wars to come.What do we know about Coldhands? He's a black brother - the Night's King was Lord Commander. According to Leaf, he died "long ago" The Night's King died 6-8,000 years ago.The children’s sense of time is different then mans so when the children say long ago they don’t mean a year or 2 (when Benjen would have gone missing. They mean centuries even thousands of years. Coldhands is said to be wearing chain mail armor under his cloak. Now this is often used against Coldhands being the Night's King, the logic being chain mail only came when the Andals came. But as you can see, in Bran's last vision he sees "tall and hard, stern men in fur and chain mail." I take this to mean that chain mail (made of bronze) existed before the Andals. Or he could have looted it from someone he killed (doubt it). It makes sense that Coldhands keeps his face covered, given that he had his neck gruesomely cut by a sickle. The only “discrepancy” is the “giving the soul to an other”Again this is pure speculation but the blood sacrifice that happens is exactly that- giving his soul.But why is he helping Bran? That is a question I cant even begin. Perhaps he is stuck as a wight and will walk the realm forever till the Great War is done? Only George has the answer to those questions, but I think we got another piece of the puzzle.Coldhands, The Night King.
  11. Bran the builder is the son of Brandon of the bloody blade and rose of red lake. The blue flower in the wall has always been a hot topic. The Florents are at the wall and they have a blue flower in their sigil. Then there is Jon and the blue rose connection...I’m a believer of N+A= J. So... I’m a strong believer that lightbringer is the nights watch as a whole. I don’t think we will ever see a single sword that matches up exactly like Lightbringer. It is a symbol of some sort.
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