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LOL. It is green in the US, and it rhymes with honey. And a lot of Honey it is. Do you know how many books he would have to sell to get that amount of honey?. And GRRM, from what he has done since I learned about him, surely loves his honey

You are projecting yours and the fandoms opinion about HBO on GRRM. GRRM likes HBO. You know why? There is a famous song of ABBA that might help you figuring it out.

The funny thing is, Cersei gave up - and Danny nuked the civilians afterwards. Hiroshima and Dresden happend during the war, with neither Germans nor Japanese giving up. I mean, can you actually get more evil than Danny? She literally burned 100 thousands of civillians just because. There was no reason behind it whatsoever.

You mean Hiroshima? Yeah, but the US werent there to conquer it, but rather stop the violent expanion of Japan. A very wise teacher once told me, to never use WW2 as an analogy or example. It never works.

Do you think that the sacking/massacre of KL will happen after the war for dawn or before? Does GRRM intend to end the series with Dannys deconstruction like the show did, or will the battle against the WW end the series? Knowing how things unfolded in the show, makes it hard for me to see a scenario where Danny sacks KL and then contiues to fight with the rest of Westeros side by side against the WW and then die. It seems odd and quite frankly stupid. If she gest killed by Jon after the sacking and then the war against the WW happens, then she wont be part in the fight against the WW, and I don't see that happen either. What are your thoughts on that?

I am sorry, I can not follow you. Are you saying GRRM was lying about Bran? I just don't get it. Yes the revelation that Bran becomes King came out of nowhere in the Show. That is "D&D" style of Storytelling after Season 6. Reverse Expectation. But what is your point? You asked first where GRRM has confirmed that Bran becomes King. I told you. Then you started a discussion about whatever this is. I can assure you two things: 1. Bran becomes King in the show. 2. Bran becomes King in the book. That is what we now know.

With what GRRM has confirmed will happen in his books

I don't know what you are up to, but GRRM has confirmed it in the new book I mentioned "Fire can not kill a dragon". So it is not a question if, and certainly not a question of "D&D". They have nothing to do with that.

To fresh things up in this thread, giving the latest informations we got from "Fire can not kill a dragon", what do you guys think, how the books may come to the conclusion of - Stanis burning Shiren (although that was spoiled by D&D during season 5) - Bran becoming King (although that was spoiled after Season 8 by the actor of Bran and by HBO) This time, we have in addition the confirmation by GRRM though. So we can stop asking if, and instead move forward and ask how. Should be far more interesting.

How do you feel now after the last revelations?

I am kind of lost here.

Watch the "Behind the scenes" part. It is also on YouTube. I can't right now

I am not sure about how this will happen exactly. Could happen like this: - he wins the battle of Ice but the remaining troops of the Boltons/Freys retreat and go behind the safe walls of Winterfell, thus Stanis has to siege Winterfell. But the harsh winter keeps killing his troups and his supply is ending. Stanis will be in a desperate situation. Meanwhile Shereen, her mother and Melisandre flee from the Wall because there will be a revolution from the Wildlings for the assasination of Jon. They flee south and are capured by some troops of Stanis who are heading north to get supply and maybe some troops from the Wall (Wildlings or even from the watch). So they reach Stanis camp right infront of Winterfell. The news that there is war at the wall, his supply is gone and he wont get any troops and the winter gets worse and worse make Stanis nearly insane. He accepts Melisandres advice and burns Shereen. Since the Showrunners have allready said in Season 5 that "Stanis burnin Shereen" is straight from GRRM (this being how they called it the second "Holy shit moment"), I don't think that this specific plotpoint (not how, albeit) is even to doubt.

How does this go against the themes:

This thread is about speculating. I can only speculate. I already posted what I think might (!!!!) happen if you care to read. I am not GRRM. I don't know it for sure.

It was you, who started to make definitive statements. See: So, by using Hitchens razor, I don't have to provide evidence for my claims, because you arent using (can't use) evidence either, and yet you started it. To be fair, neither of us two can, because, well we don't have the book(s). So let us just agree to disagree, shall we?

Those two statements you are making are not connected to each other at all. First, we don't know anything about the Others. They could or could not be "mindless". GRRM has never said anything like what the Others are in the closest. That would be stupid as it would spoil his books. Second, and most important, even if they are not "mindless", why on earth cant there stiöl be a final battle? You make those claims, as it is obvious, when in fact, we know nothing. Yes, but you are constantly making your arguments based on the status quo from material up until "Dance". This argument makes no sense at all, because of course Dannys dragons will grow to a point when they are considered a threat. Otherwise, at this point, she has three dogs who can breath fire. I dont think, and no one actually thinks, it will stay like this. Drogon will grow big. If he is not able to melt the Iron Throne at the end, then Westeros has nothing to fear. You are taking his words out of context here a little. He was once asked by fans if Tyrion and Danny will meet in Winds, and he said that they will be apart for most of the book (Winds mind you, he was not talking about Dream) but they will intersect in some way or another and didn't wanted to go further for obvious reasons. But he of course never claimed that they will "go separate ways" forever as you claim. His quote means actually nothing, as it gives nothing away.

I think key elements or key plotpoints are shown in the show, that will happen in the books, but probably in a complete different way. Those points are in my opinion: - The Hodor revelation - The burning of Shereen by Stanis hands - The fall of the Wall - Jons return - Dannys return to Westeros and her invasion - Jon killing Danny - Jon leaving to the North at the end and living with the Wildlings - Bran becoming King - Tyrion becoming hand of the King (or some sort of advisor) - Sansa becoming queen in the North (Queen Elisabeth I) - Obviously Jons parentage

There is no need for a Night King, for the Others to be defeated in Winterfell. At some place the will be defeated for good. Winterfell could very well be. Dragons melted the walls of Harrenhall. The Iron Throne is a joke compared to that. A grown up Drogon will definitively be able to melt iron. On what are you basing this statement. Even without the Show, I would have bet he is a gonner. You do know, he hasn't even met Daenerys in the books right? There is still some story left in the books until Endgame.