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22 minutes ago, By Odin's Beard said:

I think you are right.  I think all "magic" comes from the weirwoods, (but that it is really just telekinesis and telepathy).  And at the climax of the story the weirwoods will literally depart from the Earth and take magic with them, which is what happens in Lord of the Rings.  Avalone and Valinor literally break off the surface of the Earth and go off into space. and then magic dwindles and disappears altogether.  (Avalon/Valinor is the Gods Eye)

I thought before that Bran would skinchange the last dragon after Dany (Mhysa! Mhysa!) dies and burn all the weirwood. But then I thought since the weirwood are like books according to Jojen, ending the story with a massive book-burning sounds like something George would not do.

There is a less heroic reason why the weirwood would be burned by Bran though. Bran would become the sole bearer of “truth”, especially if the Citadel, Winterfell’s library, the Night’s Watch, were also destroyed. Some say dead men tell no tales, some say there is much to learn from the dead.

Like that, there would be nothing to learn but through Bran. Which could make him the ultimate villain.

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So a totally black celestial object that does not belong in our solar system is messing with the climate on Earth and causes the sun to grow cold.  The black celestial object afflicts the sun because of the tyranny of an Emperor on Urth.  The black celestial object drinks the light of the sun.  The black celestial object is a judgment against mankind, and for our sins it blocks out the sun, leaving the Urth to freeze and for humans to die out.  And in the climax of the story we are redeemed and another celestial object that is compared to a comet comes into our solar system and destroys the black celestial object by directly colliding with it.  And then the sun is reborn, but civilization collapses and has to restart from scratch.

I think George just used "The book of the new sun" as backdrop for the ASoIaF story. I think the current story ends with the elimination of magic, even if magic will first be necessary to eliminate various magic-related threats.

On 4/26/2021 at 5:21 PM, BalerionTheCat said:

The Red Priests are talking of Azor Ahai, the champion of their Firery God. Dany could be that... Quite possibly.

A CotF, probably the Ghost of High Heart, told Jaehaerys about the Prince that Was Promised. Bloodraven himself said he was watching the Starks. Possibly not just for Bran. Possibly, the Ghost and Bloodraven, had something to do with Rhaegar and Lyanna and Jon. R'hllor, by Melisandre, seems also to be seeking for Jon.

I don't think the Red Priests (R'hllor) and the CotF (Old Gods) are on the same team. Certainly different religions. Jon could either choose the Old Gods (Ice?) by his mother's side. Or Fire (R'hllor?) by his father's. Dany has only one choice. IMO, the Song of Ice and Fire is who will win Jon or Dany. Who will make them their champion in the war to come. And if Jon or Dany can avoid mankind's total destruction.

I think the CotF have been wanting a Targaryen + worshipper of the old gods heir as king to bring the Targaryens under the faith of the old gods, because they foresaw the destruction of the weirwoods by a dragon. The prince who was promise, his song is the song of ice and fire, it was an attempt to unite the ice (old gods) and the fire (Targaryens). This is seemingly how they neutralized the threat of the First Men before, through a blood alliance.

The Pact of Ice & Fire would have been an attempt to produce such an heir but it didn't come to fruition. Jenny of Oldstones + Duncan the Small would have been another attempt. Ultimately it was fulfilled by Rhaegar and Lyanna, but I think they have misinterpreted the future, and it won't be a Targaryen who controls the dragon that burns the weirwood.

Bran is supposed to just replace Bloodraven and help fulfill their plan, but he won't do what they expected. He will be the one skinchanging Drogon to burn the weirwood, and they misinterpreted the future, they assumed it was the Targaryens because they saw a dragon. In doing so, he would forget himself, unable to return to his body, so Drogon would also have to then be killed too (probably by Tyrion, killing his childhood dream by killing the last dragon). And like that magic is gone.

The Last Hero had a sword which snapped from the cold as his companions were dying and the Others were closing in on him. Then somehow he survives and later on he has a new sword the Others can’t stand against. Sure sounds like he forged himself a new special sword.

Also twelve companions and thirteenth lord commander, there is a potential link. In which case the LH came back with the corpse bride, but as old Nan said he was “man by day but the night was his to rule” he was conflicted and eventually tried to forge a sword that could break what may have been a Craster-like pact. He kills his bride (skin white like the moon) with it, she cracks like the Other did when Sam killed one, “left a crack on the face of the moon”.

So LH, NK, AA and possibly even BtB could be the same person.

Hightower stands on salt water and it is a smoking tower where something is being prepared by Leyton Hightower and his daughter and we have the vision of a stone beast flying from it and there was a grey plague at Old Town in the past:

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And beyond, where the Honeywine widened into Whispering Sound, rose the Hightower, its beacon fires bright against the dawn. From where it stood atop the bluffs of Battle Island, its shadow cut the city like a sword.

From the maesters’ point of view, they are the ones who bring dawn against the old gods’ own dawn.

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"Gone down into the earth," she answered. "Into the stones, into the trees. Before the First Men came all this land that you call Westeros was home to us, yet even in those days we were few. The gods gave us long lives but not great numbers, lest we overrun the world as deer will overrun a wood where there are no wolves to hunt them. That was in the dawn of days, when our sun was rising. Now it sinks, and this is our long dwindling. The giants are almost gone as well, they who were our bane and our brothers. The great lions of the western hills have been slain, the unicorns are all but gone, the mammoths down to a few hundred. The direwolves will outlast us all, but their time will come as well. In the world that men have made, there is no room for them, or us."

Leaf literally says here, a long night for them is a dawn for humans.

59 minutes ago, LynnS said:

I think it will be Jon, the soul of ice transformed when he plunges Longclaw into the the fiery heart.

I think even that could be about her getting stabbed with Ice:

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Beneath her coverlets she tossed and turned, dreaming that Hizdahr was kissing her … but his lips were blue and bruised, and when he thrust himself inside her, his manhood was cold as ice.

But my line of thinking is that all of the prophecies are the result of people accessing the weirwood in the past and seeing what went into it in the future, and that Bran will literally figure out how to change the timeline.

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Men live their lives trapped in an eternal present, between the mists of memory and the sea of shadow that is all we know of the days to come.

How can you not change the future if you see it clearly? Bloodraven's answer is that because the future is not clear you can't change it. Well is Bloodraven the TEC? Is he the one pecking at Bran to reveal his third eye? Or was that someone else? He's the Three Eyed Crow, not Three Eyed Raven, and Old Nan said all crows are liars. I believe Bran will do what BR did not expect and that will trigger Bran's exit from the cave.

So the whole "Prince that was promised" thing will exist in the current timeline, but Bran will knock it out the way and it will never come to pass. Bran will literally prevent Jon from being the story's hero through puppeteering shenanigans. I think Jon will feel something is up, that some force is trying to push him to kill her, and he'll stand his ground and refuse to. So in comes Jorah, redeemed in the history of men as a double agent, and Jon getting the really bad reputation (the whole Lord Snow thing with Ramsay is probably going to rub off on him, rumors spread, history gets distorted easily).

Bran is a highly impatient kid, constantly cuts of Meera as she tells her story like he's the boss, he skinchanges Hodor when he's bored, heck it wouldn't surprise me if skinchanged Coldhands to be a bad ass.

Bran has no more father or mother figure, he's not trustworthy, he's not mature, and if his maturity comes from accessing the weirwood and seeing thousands of years of history I don't think it will turn out too well. No boy who mouths off Old Nan is a good boy 

3 hours ago, LynnS said:

I'll go with that.  Mother of dragons, bride of fire and AA will be the one who plunges his sword into her fiery heart to 'forge' Lightbringer.  I think we've been given the template.  A valyrian steel sword will do.

I think it will be Jorah with Heartsbane. I think the Bear and the Maiden Fair is a song about Jorah and Dany. He is infatuated with her, but it is not reciprocal. In the song it's clear the maid feels harassed by him, and the last line when it sounds like she suddenly loves the bear when she was kicking him screaming just the line before it is a lie, because songs are like that. Jorah is an obsessive-possessive man and clearly doesn't love any woman, he just has an obsession with young beautiful girls. He is a northerner who became a knight, probably due to a passion for stories of chivalry and honor and damsels in distress. He's a foolish romantic. She will never love him.

The Dornishman's Wife I think is the sequel to the Bear and the Maiden Fair, and I think it's after Jorah kills her. There is the line about Valyrian Steel (black steel), that the sword has a bite sharp like a leech (Nissa Nissa's soul went in the sword, and we know blood is involved with the creation of Valyrian steel), and there is the line about her voice being like a sweet peach which is what Jorah gave her before, which Dany found so sweet she could cry. All that's missing is for her to marry a Dornishman, like Darkstar.

Jon will never bring himself to kill Daenerys, I think. She is the only one with the power to protect the wildlings from the Westerosis who will never accept them, and from slavers that will inevitably come for them through the GC or the Bank of Braavos. He'll be in a position to do it but won't. Jorah on the other hand, he would do it "out of love" for her, with his typical clouded-judgement where killing her is seen as done out of love for who "she truly is" and save her from "what she has become" which he would typically blame on others.

The dream she has where the old kings tell her to run faster and faster sounds to me like her about to get stabbed in the back, and then she skinchanges into a dragon.

Victarion has, for some reason, been linked to Heartsbane by George in the books already as he says he'd take it from Tarly. I think he will, but eventually Dany gives the sword to Jorah (probably after Vic dies), as she had promised she'd get him one.

She is literally called Mhysa! Mhysa!

Can’t be Azor Ahai. She is Nissa Nissa.

1 hour ago, Alyn Oakenfist said:

It's completely free. With the miracle of skinchanging, you too can look as young as you feel!

Wait, nvm, this isn't the Ashara is warging Dany thread.

As soon as Dawn was returned by Ned, Ashara jumps out of the Palestone Sword into the sea.

Palestone sword = SWORD

Sea = WATER

Now Ashara lives on in Daenerys. Another tempering coming?

Someone tell me why the dragons/Targs in Dany’s dreams try to stop her from remembering who she is every time Quaithe tells her to, as she thinks of the red door and the lemon tree or gardening? And in all those dreams it ties to stars, stars that fall/disappear, etc.

Ashara=In Daenerys head, but she has forgotten. Ashara knows something no one else knows or that some don’t want her to know. Why? Quaithe tries to make her remember, but then she is pulled away by the dragons, and their wings shadow her dreams.

We know skinchangers forget. Faceless men masks also hold memories. Glamors work with items people owned which hold memories.

What did Ashara know?

Lightbringer is Hightower, just made a thread about it today