Aejohn the Conqueroo

I understand he lost his head as he watched his mother die.

1 hour ago, Northern Sword said:

One of my favorite Badass scenes is Sandor with Arya running into Polliver at the Inn at the Crossroads.

Sandor 'The Hound' Clegane : You're a talker. Listening to talkers makes me thirsty.

[the Hound reaches across the table, grabs Polliver's drink, and drains it] 

Sandor 'The Hound' Clegane : And hungry. Think I'll take two chickens.

[Polliver turns and looks at his men, then turns back to the Hound] 

Polliver : You don't seem to understand the situation.

Sandor 'The Hound' Clegane : I understand that if any more words come pouring out your cunt mouth, I'm gonna have to eat every fucking chicken in this room.

Polliver : You lived your life for the king. You gonna die for some chickens?

Sandor 'The Hound' Clegane : Someone is.

Well if we're doing the show, I got to give it to Arya: "Someday I'm going to put a sword through your eye and out the back of your skull"

The last book is called A Dream of Spring, which suggests to me that we will end in winter.  I still think they're going to find a way to flood the Riverlands though, so... magic...

I think the Tullys and Freys will both survive, though I wouldn't guess at this point which of the two - or whether a third candidate will eventually sit as lord paramount.  Whatever the case, Edmure's not going to take part in wiping out his wife's family. Some people will hang, but the family will survive.  Probably not the Twins though, I suspect that at least one tower falls and of course, the bridge as well.  (Has anyone ever done an accounting of the fates of twins?  There are so many in this tale, but I can only recall the death of the two Kingsguards right now)

I don't think the Brackens and Blackwoods are going to make it, I think their lines will end together. 

Probably war torn and slave ridden. Dany isn't changing people, she's just killing a few off and taking a few west.

3 minutes ago, House Cambodia said:

Sansa only knew that Dontos gave the hairnet, and he's dead. She can't give any useful information about it

 Dontos is the information.  The fact that Dontos is dead the day after the event confirms his involvement.  (I'm assuming that LF would still kill Dontos). it doesn't matter that he doesn't point straight to LF, it matters that he points away from Tyrion.

4 minutes ago, House Cambodia said:

Sansa didn't know anything about the plot.

She knew Dontos gave her the hairnet. She also knows that she didn't conspire with Tyrion to kill Joffrey.

11 hours ago, House Cambodia said:

He had little reason to 'save' her from the Purple Wedding - it was an uncharacteristic risk for him to take.

If Sansa wasn't extricated she would have been interrogated and could have been quite the loose end.  Getting her out of Kingslanding, eliminating Dontos along the way sets her up as a patsy and a co conspirator in her husband's murder plot which keeps the suspicion away from Oleanna and the Tyrells. If Littlefinger didn't get her out, he would have had to find another way to keep her from talking.

2 hours ago, Frey family reunion said:

Let’s assume that Littlefinger was in on the plot to kill Tyrion

 Shouldn't we be able to get a little deeper before we have to start making assumptions?  I don't see a motive for Littlefinger to kill Tyrion and if he does have one, or he's just open to doing t because chaos, I don't see why he would want to get half the court involved in the deed. He could have had a Kettleblack do it in the dark. 

If it had anything to do with Sansa, wouldn't LF have felt enormous pressure to do it before she wed Tyrion and got bedded?  I don't think that he could have assumed that Tyrion wouldn't go through with it and I don't think his plans for Sansa include a little Lannister bastard.

Wouldn't there have been better opportunities to get rid of Tyrion than at a royal wedding?  Targeting Joffrey here makes sense because there are enough moving pieces to have one unsuspecting accomplice bring the poison and only Oleanna needed to get it from her and put it in Joffrey's drink and security is lighter than what usually surrounds the king because they figure that everyone in attendance is already vetted.  Tyrion could be had anywhere and if his enemies wanted him he could have been compromised a lot more by having him done in at Shae's or anywhere else.  

Also if it was a hit of Tyrion, who's royal nephew hated him wouldn't there have been an attempt to involve Joffrey in the plot, or at least get his sanction to upstage his wedding? This would have been embarrassing to Joffrey had he survived, Tyrion died and the cause of death emerged as poison.

He can have 2 of mine if he gets Winds out this year.

...the sight of Targ majesty would cause you to dismiss all thoughts of bloodshed, and you would stand - how should I put it? - in awe.

Now a King in the North? Well I mean, why not shoot a King in the North?

What are you going to do, tax em?  

Why not? I'm sure it would be impractical, but that would only constrain a certain sort of monarch. The only precedent that I've seen in Westerosi legal history is that a king isn't bound by precedent unless he choses to hide behind it, so essentially he can do as he wishes, as long as he's ready to deal with whatever rebels pop up because of it.

2 hours ago, Sandy Clegg said:

How about Tyrosh or Lys? We've never been there in the story and they might be a logical stopping-off point for Dany's army on the way to Westeros. It seems logical that GRRM would have a preference for 'fleshing out' some of these unvisited spots along the Narrow Sea before the story ends.

Could do, sure. I think that she ultimately shows down with Jeyne though. I just think that with all of the identity crisis the author has been saddling her with since book 1 it would follow that the choice to finally kill Arya Stark for good would be something she'll have to confront. 

On 3/16/2024 at 4:25 PM, JoyfulJoy said:

God Dang, why is there so much people here thinking Sansa is gungho for killing Robert Arryn? Like yes she made mistakes especially as a child, but since when was that means she's going to kill a freaking child?

She's being heavily manipulated for what it's worth. Littlefinger talks about Sweetrobin's death as a foregone conclusion and Sansa will begin to as well. All of her plans and ambitions will become dependent upon the idea of a post Robin Vale (which we see happening already) and when his lingering gets in her way, she'll see removing him as hurrying the inevitable, perhaps even mercifully.  I doubt she'll be gung ho about it, and I do wonder whether or not she'll go through with it, but I think that it will be a choice that Littlefinger will make her face and he will be depending upon her doing her part.

1 hour ago, Daeron the Daring said:

My bet is he was doing homework for them or went completely rouge,

This would be my bet as well, but I couldn't call it anything more than a guess. He doesn't seem that eager to hurry his work, as he explains later to Arya, but unless his target was in Yoren's gang that's a horribly slow way to choose to travel and if he's there not by his own choice, well he sure got his shit together between then and weasel soup day.

I doubt he was ever in the dungeon, fwiw. Let's not forget that JH might have been the name of some murderer he replaced. If this was royally or Varys sponsored the switch could have been made at any time. If his target was Jon, then I'm sure left to his own devices Jaqen could have made far better time getting to the Wall. It could have been Ned, if the hirer believed that Ned would make the trip north with the recruits, but then what kind of outsmarting themselves sort of game were they playing? May as well just execute the traitor as Joffrey decided.

I suspect that we will eventually find out that he was there on his own for reasons that might not be available to us at this time. 

32 minutes ago, Mourning Star said:

The series begins with the prologue, in a dark wood where the easy way was lost.

This is how Dante's Divine Comedy begins, which is also what inspired Frost's poem, Fire and Ice, from which the A Song of Ice and Fire series get's its name.

I would be shocked if the series didn't end with some play on, "By the Love that moves the sun and the other stars."

'The things I do for love.'?

1 minute ago, Craving Peaches said:

And she had two people tortured in front of their father to force a confession. Daenerys is acting like a dictator, there is no doubt about it. She even buys into her own cult of personality.

Yeah, she's pretty brutal. Maegor with teats as they like to say. I better quickly  go write up something about Arya's dark evil heart or I might have to acknowledge it or something.

More criticism here, I don't think you've sufficiently explained 'I wonder which of them did it'. Maybe you could go a little slower through that part.  I'm also not sure how knowing Tyrion was behind the knife protected Littlefinger from him.  It would make him a more pressing target, wouldn't it? 

2 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said:

She also already killed her brother, son and husband so...

It's ridiculous that anyone makes excuses for this person at all.  It's so easy to see where all the lurid anti Stark fabrications come from. 'If my hero is evil enough to do all of this and dismiss it, then the wolves have to be so much worse!'

Hey Dany, how do you feel about all of those executions, wasn't that a little arbitrary and murderous?

"If I look back I'm lost"  She's even cut herself off from reflecting on her actions.

On 3/11/2024 at 2:05 AM, Craving Peaches said:

Daenerys will turn evil

How much turning does the Mad Butcher of Mereen really have to do? 163 crucified. That's evil.

I was pretty confident about Ned Stark

This is 4 years old? Not finished yet, but I got to pack it in for now.

Direwolves really dislike the smell of those who break guest right: no wonder they dislike Tyrion - 

I think this needs to be supported a little. Also I wonder if the dream that you ascribe to Bran's 'magical subconscious' might have come from Summer, perhaps an explanation for his behavior towards Tyrion.

Anyway, I look forward to finishing this, You make a pretty good argument, but more over it's good to look at these characters from a detatched perspective. The author often refers to Tyrion as a villain and I always find myself wondering why, because we really don't seem his do anything that most of the people in the story wouldn't themselves., or when we do, we walk down the garden path with him and reach the conclusions that he does along hte way. If your theory bears out, that's a pretty good reason to call him a villain.

It's never explained why Tyrion's dagger was in Robert's weapons stash, is it, and it's said outright in another place that it was Robert's dagger.  That's just sort of slid through. Tyrion denies winning the bet, but he doesn't outright deny owning the blade because he knows his defense relies on him not intentionally incriminating himself.  But it's right there.

It does put Tyrion and Cersei a little closer than we'd expect.

Still, all the things that don't make sense in the Joffrey version make a lot more sense in the Tyrion version. Pretty involved plan for Joffrey to put together, too.

 Choosing the Lolys disguise on the day Marcella was shipped off to Dorrne might have been a decision that Varys regrets.