StarksInTheNorth

Takes additional time to scroll when clicking through. Though I do agree with you re lovers.

Yes but having it in the info box is a major timesaver to get through it all. For the body, you have to scroll through and find it. If you don’t know who you’re looking for, you have to read. And you still have to scroll for the bottom.

As someone who goes through the orders and lists a lot YES. It's incredibly helpful to have that tab there when trying to find an era in time.

I’m now imaging a Cersei Wins AU where Petyr asks to have his bastard legitimized a la Ramsay Bolton, and Alayne, Lady of Harrenhal only comes to court after Cersei dies . . .

Actually marrying Aegon versus it being suggested by LF are two different things, and the outcomes of each “betrothal” have varied greatly. For example, Tyrion actually married Sansa, while the Willas betrothal only lasted a chapter or three. So for the theory to hold up, it could work just to have LF suggest “X has happened to Harry, I’m going to send a messenger to this Golden Company invasion and try to arrange a betrothal between you and Rhaegar’s son.” Then in the next Sansa or Sansa-adjacent chapter, they can get news that the plan was thwarted (Aegon marries Margaery or Myrcella or Arianne or Elia, Aegon dies, or something else). Thus the prophecy is fulfilled because she was “betrothed” to Aegon but nothing more happened. Personally I think the theory is probably just fun speculation or coincidence, though I do like the point that the Ashford Tourney was broken up by Duncan the Tall and two likely descendants of Duncan’s are adjacent to Sansa’s plot who could also break up the Vale Tourney (Sandor and Brienne).

Unfortunately that's not an indication that it happened early in the year since springs are years-long in asoiaf.

Is there any indication as to the order of events with Saera's Scandal and the death of Alyssa Targaryen? Both took place in 84, but it's unclear when exactly it happened in relation to each other.

How does the wiki address inconsistencies between the books and the app? Or maybe not an inconsistency, but I was reading something on Catelyn Stark’s page and got confused. Specifically, the following passage: The way this paragraph is worded makes it sound like 9-10 year old Lysa snuck in to have sex with 8-9 year old Petyr and he thought it was 12-year-old Catelyn. I’m not quite sure what the proper fix is and was wondering whether anyone could advise?

I am not one of these people, but there are a certain group of shippers who think the last pairing for Sansa is Jon Snow because of the Targaryen connection.

Honest question though: will Arianne care that he’s fallen for their mutual cousin? They do things differently in Dorne and as long as she’s the queen will it matter who her husband is in bed with? Especially since it was strongly implied she tried to have a three way with Tyene? I definitely saw the parallel and the potential when reading that, but I’m still in the fence re if it will happen. Just doesnt seem like it would move the main plot forward at all.

The problem with all of this speculation is of course that we are acting as if GRRM had it ALL written at the same time Although I'd push back on at least some of the Reek material and maybe also Wayward Bride because that all intersected nicely with Jon's POVs of Stannis. The other option would be to potentially swap all the Cersei material and the Jon material so Jon was the 'leading' POV of AFFC and Dany was the 'leading' POV of ADWD, foiled simultaneously against Cersei's attempts at ruling. Cersei's material is shorter and so it might work out.

It's been a while since I read the original somewhere on tumblr, but the general gist is that Barristan leads Team Dany in Battle of Meereen and wins. However, back in the Great Pyramid the Shavepate uses the chaos and distraction of the battle to kill Hizdahr for his crimes against Daenerys and then to kill the wards, pages, cupbearers, etc. for the same. He kept pushing to kill the children from the minute they were introduced, so finding an opportunity to do so won't be hard for him. And his distaste for Hizdahr is also pretty well-known to Dany and Barristan. Barristan's death would come after he arrives back on the scene, filled with plans of how to save the city, and finds all of Dany's children dead along with her husband. He confronts Shavepate and tells him that this type of killing is treason against Dany. Shavepate either claims the city for his own people, i.e. the slaves and the Brazen Beast claiming Meereen as their own without Dany, or says Barristan wasn't willing to do what needed to be done and kills him for it. My support for this is borne from a few things: Barristan died in Meereen in the show which could suggest a sort of trajectory (or it couldn't because who knows with anything after season 4ish); There's 3 POVs in Meereen at this point and the numbers of POVs will end up dwindling. Personally, I think both Victarion and Barristan die, but if not Barristan definitely will. Tyrion will be able to talk his way into the war planning meetings through Brown Ben Plumm so he can be the POV for a lot of necessary information, with the added element of focusing westward and not caring about Meereen's outcome. Whereas Barristan imo will never leave without a command or appearance from his queen. (as an aside, I think it's less "Meereen is rejecting Dany" and more "Meereen makes a semi-autonomous decision to the point that she and/or her advisors are willing to let it go and won't see it turn into another Astapor because the Shavepate/Brazen Beasts have it under control so she can get on her way to Westeros").

Barristan wasn't trusted by Rhaegar, for all that he acts like he was. Rhaegar had his crowd of people around him and he brought his 6 companions out to galavant in the Riverlands and/or meet up with Lyanna (a truth likely to never be shared in full). Likely among them were the Kingsguard who died at the Tower of Joy (minus Lord Commander Hightower, who arrived on the scene later). For that reason, I don't think Barristan will be relevant to the R+L reveal. I'm a fan of the theory that the Shavepate will stage a coup after the battle is won and that Barristan will arrive back in the Great Pyramid to find Hizdahr and the young hostages dead (hopefully not Missandei, though I am fearful for her ending. . .). Unfortunately, this includes the young boys that Barristan is training to be knights. This ending is both practical - by the time Barristan dies, there are at least one other POV remaining in Meereen, if not two (Tyrion and Victarion) - and in line with character goals that have been stated (Shavepate is very clear he thinks the kids should die and that he hates Hizdahr. It's also somewhat thematic, related to the tragedy of a knight and the questions of their vows. Barristan decided it held him to Hizdahr, who didn't want him, and to his queen's city, which is starting to reject her.

For the US hardbacks, AFFC is ~700 pages and ADWD is ~950. To fit Battle of Meereen into ADWD, we'd need to find a way to move probably ~200 pages to AFFC. We can get ~45 pages if we move the Areo and Arya chapters from ADWD to AFFC. The Jaime and Cersei chapters would also give us another ~45 pages. Another ~30-40 pages if the Bran chapters are sent to AFFC. In total, I've moved ~120 pages and can't seem to cut much more, but there's always too many descriptions of food. We could maybe move Theon for another ~90 pages, but it would be tight.

I don't think it counts as a Deus ex Machina because it's been built up. To the characters, maybe it does, but the readers knew that Stannis was coming. The Tyrells maybe a little bit less so, but a decent amount of time on page was spent asking what the forces were doing. For this fleet, we knew it was coming and have spent chapters with Victarion's journey.

Has anyone ever made a timeline specific to the events of the Rebellion? Like the fandom one for the series made here?[1] I was looking something up earlier today and realized that the fan timeline (which is of course non-canon) has Robb's birthday on 9/13 based on the times his age changes between / during chapters. But considering he was born almost exactly nine months after the wedding, that would mean that Catelyn and Ned got married at the very end of 282 or very beginning of 283, which doesn't exactly make sense based on what we know of the way the war worked out, I don't think? I wanted to double check if something existed already before trying to tackle it myself. [1] https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ZsY3lcDDtTdBWp1Gx6mfkdtZT6-Gk0kdTGeSC_Dj7WM/edit#gid=8