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  1. but was she was not remembered as a usurper by Targaryen dynasty ... not that we know of anyway . Stannis considered her a usurper but I personally took that as Stannis's traditional and sexist beliefs . 

    as far as how kings' ancestors are remembered though , I always found it outrageous and quite funny that septons could so openly express their disgust at the name "Daemon" (king's grandfather) for Daena's bastard . then again , I suppose Baelor was different and it is implied that Daena was the closest to their father. 

  2. 12 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

    I didn’t get the impression that Alicent understood what Otto was doing at first. She seemed to earnestly believe she was just there to give her condolences. Clearly nothing happened beyond her just reading to him, and I don’t believe anything physical happened prior to their marriage. 

    I mean , when she stopped when he told her to wear her mother's dress was telling ! although she did seem confused . even in the books that's possible too. 18 is not very old.

    11 minutes ago, Corvinus85 said:

    I wish they had found a bigger actor to play Harwin Strong. Though I appreciated the detail of him holding one of the ropes of the stag with just his hands, while the others were using their horses. But it would have been nice to see a big dude get clobbered by Criston Cole later.

    At this point the show points towards Corlys being the strongest knight/lord in the Seven Kingdoms.

    well , he is the strongest . not the biggest .

  3. since I've already talked about what I saw as the episode's flaws , I'd like to say that even this episode was still pretty good.

    • the theme all in all was really well done , albeit poor editing took away from it. 
    • Rhaenyra's concern for Alicent . Rhaenyra's concern for Alicent's health traveling in such condition comes off as genuine.too bad it's followed by Alicent's explanation about how easy childbirth had been for her . unintentional on Alicent's part but subtle glances between Viserys and Alicent and the nurses show taht everybody knows what exactly this has reminded Rhaenyra of : Aemma's difficult births that eventually killed her.
    •  Alicent defends Rhaenyra in ladies' company which finally bring a half smile on Rhaenyra's face ... hadn't trailers gave so much away , new audiences could easily hope for these girls to mend their friendship!
    • Strong Brothers. Larys's introduction was done very well . a quiet young man unable to hunt with other guys but fairly observant . Harwin was not formally introduced but I rather enjoyed the change they made in him vying for Rhaenyra's hand . he is not interested in her politically , rather his grin to Rhaenyra's hunt shows he admires what she's done and ultimately who she is .
    • Criston Cole . Criston is suppose to be someone who could be so passionate he can go to extremes and the line "you want me to kill him?" , although a joke ,  felt as if Cole is ready to actually do something like that for Rhaenyra in a heartbeat ! a hint for how far he will go?
    • Alicent . during the feast , we see Alicent is aware of everything happening around the king . say what you will , but this Alicent is a good wife and companion till now . 
    • Lyonel Strong . this character is a major highlight for me . slowly showing why later on Viserys names him as his Hand.
    • Laenor Velaryon . this Laenor has a Jaimie like quality that I quite enjoyed . in the light of feminizing Loras and Renly in the original show , I think making Laenor a warrior  was the right call by the showrunners . joking about "master of complaints" was so much like Rhaenyra's line in this episode regarding eating cake ! too bad the editing doesn't make people interested in these details but they could easily show Laenor and Rhaenyra as a couple who have the potential to get along pretty well , only for later to reveal they can't.
    • Matt Smith. this guy didn't have more lines than Kit's season 8 but he acted the hell out of it . super abilities aside , I quite enjoyed this . 
  4. 1 hour ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

    According to the maesters and everyone in-universe, Aegon technically won. He’s listed as the king in the appendix and the world book. The reason why this is important is because it had a huge effect on future succession. If Rhaenyra had won, then Daena would have been queen after Baelor,  and Daenora after Aerys I. 

     

    1 hour ago, Lord Varys said:

    George will have to revisit that issue in FaB II. For Rhaenyra's sons her claim to the throne must be the deciding factor that they are in charge, especially for Aegon III who took up a QG sword to defend his mother at the end. The idea that these two followed the Green ideology and basically invalidated their mother's claim retroactively just doesn't make much sense. Especially since Aegon III is basically only crowned because his mother's troops defeated the last Green army. If Borros Baratheon had won and Aegon II had choked to death a day later, then Alicent and the Greens would have done away with Aegon the Younger and crowned Jaehaera.

    In that sense one would imagine that Aegon III would have had no issue if his eldest daughter succeeded any of his childless sons. I think the best way to deal with that whole thing was if they decided to unite the claims and have Daena marry Viserys after Baelor's death. Depending how quickly the old man dies, there could be a wedding or merely a plan for a wedding.

     

    regarding ViserysII issue , I pretty much expect this to feel like a slap in the face and a betrayal on Viserys's part in F&BII , since basically Viserys/Daena was the deciding point for whether Rhaenyra's legacy lives on or not . of course Rhaenyra was not a feminist activist by any means . but I think we could be fairly certain that if Jacerys was a girl , she might have as well pulled a Nymeria and that would have been the indicator of succession in her line . it's also fair to assume as close as Aegon III was to his mother , he probably would have named his daughter heir , had she been the eldest and considering the after-dance  era they were in , no one would have challenged him ,especially with support of his brother , and his sisters' houses( prominent Blacks and Greens supporters) . unfortunately , it all came down to Viserys who was 7 the last time he saw his mother and in aftermath of Baelor disaster of all times.

  5. 18 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

    Judging by online discourse, Lyonel is quickly becoming a fan favorite. We’re all going to mourn for him when he’s gone. 

     

    that could be expected . if they are featuring one secondary character pretty damn well , it's Lyonel . do you have insight into popular opinions on other secondary characters? 

    I'm not so sure about what they're doing with Velaryons . they(+Harwin) seem to be turning into mere baby making factories . worse than I imagined a few days ago when I said they could do a decent job about them but focus more on their legacies . I mean they lost the opportunity to give us good Laenor moments . and I imagine next time we see Laena she'll flirt with Daemon a bit only to see her die at the opening scene of next episode! same with poor Harwin!

    by the way , totally agree about Strong brothers . my new head canon is that Larys sought the opportunity to bring down both Blacks and Greens , in whose rivalry , his family were caught and murdered .

    11 minutes ago, RumHam said:

     I've wondered about that kinda situation before. I think if they do that, best case scenario there's suddenly a riderless dragon in the middle of their castle with no one to stop it from burning everything. Plus with the "magical bond" the dragon may even seek revenge if its master is killed.  

    again , I wonder what they can do with the fact that Aemond atop Vhaegar ( Laena's dragon) will try to kill Daemon ( Laena's husband) and Caraxes( Vhaegar's ..err.. flying body?). 

  6.  

    I've got some complains about the show's editing which I think are mostly contributing to non-book readers' confusion . so I'm wondering what you guys think about these ? 

    • it felt like two episodes . they should have put some  Stepstone +Crabfeeder scenes in the middle of the hunting/feast scenes . I liked the shift between war in stepstones and feast's extravagant table very much . it showed perfectly well why it's a good idea for Viserys to support the war.... too bad the show went on to finish hunting episode before visiting stepstones . 
    • they both failed Laenor and did him justice if that makes any sense ! I get that they wanted to show Laenor as Rhaenyra's suitable match by showing him speaking in their council and later attacking atop Seasmoke .  they should have introduced Laenor by name in episode one when Corlys talked about Rhaenys already having a son . now that they didn't, they should have had Strong mention his most important advantage : he already rides a dragon ! dragon riding ability must be a HUGE deal when it comes to marriages . the reason Velaryons are as big of a threat as they are is that they also have dragons . Lannisters and any other who want to marry Rhaenyra will become a third dragon riding family! then they go on to the war council where Laenor is supposed to be established as a warrior (which could be edited right after talk of him by Strong ,by the way!) . but we do not really see him well enough , the focus of the war is on Daemon although considering it was Laenor's plan , Laenor detecting Daemon's willingness to be a bait and Laenor's dragon , it kinda turned out to be more of Laenor's victory! it just focused on Daemon!
    • the whole stepstone sequence is a huge failure . I'm not going to say anything about Daemon's plot armor  and the Crab disappointment anymore! the thing with the Stepstones is that it's been build up, build up, build up for 3 episodes and then a jump right into the conclusion ! there's no middle ! we don't see why Daemon and Velaryons are so frustrated and overwhelmed , we don't see how Daemon is the reason they're losing . we don't see why Vaemond goes behind Corlys's back to send a letter to Viserys himself . we only hear about them ! but that is good enough because we don't EVEN HEAR why the hell Corlys allied himself with Daemon ! we don't see any gold cloaks or men specifically loyal to Daemon . there are all Velaryon men  and Velaryon dragon and then there's Daemon , Corlys's "teenager" adopted son with his odd pet ,who is causing them losses through his tantrums !

     

    if you don't know Vhaegar's riders , don't read below.

    Spoiler

    also , let's talk about Laena Velaryon and the most terrible dragon of the time . where are they? I mean ... I'm cool with not showing Laena claiming Vhaegar ;considering later Aemond scene , it would have been repetitive . but man , they needed to show or mention that Laena rides Vhaegar now . they could either put her in Driftmark to hear about Stepstones and pull an episode2 Rhaenyra to take her dragon to trouble without leave  , or they could put her in the court to show us she and Rhaenyra start bonding . but more easily , Strong could mention her in his little advice :" with Vhaegar under lady Laena's command and Laenor riding his own full grown dragon , an alliance with Velaryons is more crucial than ever "

     

     

  7. 4 minutes ago, Lord Varys said:

     

    The big ugly thing about Alicent in the book we only got when FaB was published in full is the implication that Alicent never actually loved Viserys - hinted at by the fact that she never so much as mentions him in her last days and instead constantly talks about reading to the Old King back in the day. Could also be her trying to reconnect with a golden era long lost ... but Viserys and Alicent also presided over her own golden age during the first couple of years of their marriage. If she had loved the man, she may have also remembered that.

    By the way - I actually do enjoy the kind of marriage Alicent and Viserys seem to have. They continue their talks. Alicent is an important advisor for Viserys, despite the fact that it seems he mostly ignores her in public.

    Although I must say I also enjoyed how they had the noblewomen and the men be separate in the camps. That's how it would be.

    that doesn't necessarily indicate that she didn't love Viserys or didn't care for him. only that he reminded of so much trouble . just the same as color green . then again , she let him rot for 3 days . I don't think one would do that to whom she loved . but it could have been pretty complicated anyway .

  8. 4 minutes ago, Daeron the Daring said:

    I was gonna just write down that they also could've decided on more episodes for this season, but I see you mentioning it. 

    Not sure about Mysaria tho. I am unable to imagine her fate, because I think the show will go with a Daemon who is faithful to Rhaenyra and all.

    yes , I imagine the show will depict Daemon/Rhaenyra match as a very emotional and trusting match which makes sense* .  that's not the point though , what matters is that the last scene we saw of Mysaria was her break up with Daemon and it did not deliver at the slightest .

     

    * when it comes to love , I'm pretty much convinced that Laena/Daemon and Harwin/Rhaenyra had deep lasting loves ; which doesn't contradict with Rhaenyra/Daemon love but I hope the show doesn't drop that. 

  9. 45 minutes ago, Daeron the Daring said:

    No?

    Many things happen in unrealistic way to serve the plot. To some extent, that's okay. More than that, fine.

    As I said, it was too much comicbook superhero style for me too. But if this is the worst we have to face, I'm confortable with that.

    Agreed, sounds much better than the verison we've got.

    But.

    There are bigger things to worry about. Regarding S1. The reast is easy to handle compared to that.

    Edit: To just mention a few:

    1. There's the fact that Rhaenyra is gonna have 3 love interests, 2 husbands (one of which won't even be a love interest to her), she will give birth 6 times, and is gonna completely lose both of her BFFS by EP 8.

    2. Aegon, who we just met as a 2 year old boy, is supposed to become a main villain by the end of the season, along with Aemond, who's not even born yet.

    3. Daemon will also have 3 love interests by the end of the season, and we don't even know is he's gonna be a faithful.

    4. Look, Queen Aemma, such an interesting character, aand she's dead. But hey, look, Laena and Laenor Velaryon, both dragonriders, aaaand they're gone too. But, for the last time, look at this lad, Lucerys Velaryon, such a cool guy, such a cool name, such a cool drag...oh, and he's gone too. For good.

    I hope you see what I mean.

    wow , you really made your point with 2 pre-dance season . and .. I agree . as always . however , despite my disappointment with how they will portray many characters , I still think it made sense to make pre dance part one season , marketing wise . they need to get to action before long . that said , I don't know what was stopping them to make more and by a few minutes longer episodes for this season . they were working on this for what? 3 years ? they could make it 4 years for all I care and honestly , nothing seems impossible in entertainment industry nowadays . they could make it work easily enough with 13-14 episodes . 

     

    and speaking of Love Interests: not only Harwin/Laenor and Laena are just there to to be baby making machines (officially or literally ) , but also the failed Mysaria speech of last episode was actually where they departed! I still , cannot fathom that! are we not seeing Mysaria until season 2?! :D 

     

    ed. one more thing: I still don't know what is show reasoning for why Corlys wanted Daemon's help! he at least gathered men in the books and was the reason they matched Crab people , not somehow the reason they were losing!

  10. 7 minutes ago, Colonel Green said:

    Corlys was the only Velaryon involved in the Stepstones campaign in the book.

    yeah... but it would have been hell of a good idea to see all Velaryons in the war . because on one hand, both Laena* and Vhaegar needed their moment before she dies and Vhaegar turns into Aemond's roasting machine and on the other hand, we needed to see Rhaenys and Maelys in action before their fall against Aegon and Aemond . then again , even Laenor and Seasmoke moments were lost . 

     

    *whilst watching Daemon's .. err.. issues , did anyone think why on earth would the adorable Laena from previous episode ever consider marrying him?!

  11. 9 minutes ago, C.T. Phipps said:

    The dragons can't get in and when the dragons leave because of food or exhaustion, the Crabfeeder comes back to attack the Velaryon ships and troops.

    The exact same way the Dornish won.

    Plus, House Velaryon and Daemon's forces are nowhere near as rich or as powerful as the Triarchy. Three cities of Essos.

    I feel like they didn't put enough time to show that though . of course, we know it because we love the material and pay close attention to what they say . but as I said earlier , for it to be a better episode especially for the new audience , they should have spent more time on Stepstones and Velaryon/Daemon's endeavors. it would not only have helped the war scenes A LOT , but it also would have been better on character levels for Daemon , Laenor and Vaemond . right now ,we only know Daemon has issues , well , show us how frustrated he is by his failure that he hits a messenger like that or runs to his suicide . we don't properly know who is this guy shouting "Dracarys!" and we do not know if Vaemond had always been this whining prick or it's the war's toll on him. 

  12. 6.5. the other two were better .

    this episode suffered a lot when it came to editing and it needed some more material on the Stepstones so we can see why Daemon  gets angry that he's in need of his brother , introduce Laenor properly and see  Vaemond getting frustrated by Daemon and the war to reach the point to disobey his brother.

  13. all in all , I found this episode to be weaker than previous ones , although , I'm not sure it's because I was more excited for this one beforehand or not . 

    this episode certainly had positive points as well as negative ones . I initially wanted to talk about positive aspects as well, but I see that my complains went on more than I intended , and they all go back to editing , one way or the other.

    • it felt like two episodes . they should have put some  stepstone +crabfeeder scenes in the middle of the hunting/feast scenes . I liked the shift between war in stepstones and feast's extravagant table very much . it showed perfectly well why it's a good idea for Viserys to support the war.... too bad the show went on to finish hunting episode before visiting stepstones . 
    • the tone of the show has become gloomy far too soon . yes , Aemma died in episode one and all, but this felt like it was closing to the end. 
    • they both failed Laenor and did him justice if that makes any sense ! I get that they wanted to show Laenor as Rhaenyra's suitable match by showing him speaking in their council and later attack atop Seasmoke , only to later show he is gay and the marriage would be doomed. they should have introduced Laenor by name in episode one when Corlys talked about Rhaenys already having a son . now that they didn't, they should have had Strong mention his most important advantage : he already rides a dragon ! dragon riding ability must be a HUGE deal when it comes to marriages . the reason Velaryons are as big of a threat as they are is that they also have dragons . Lannisters and any other who want to marry Rhaenyra will become a third dragon riding family! then they go on to the war council where Laenor is supposed to be established as a warrior (which could be edited right after talk of him by Strong by the way!) . but we do not really see him well enough , the focus is on Daemon! 
    • the whole stepstone sequence is a huge failure . I'm not going to say anything about Daemon's plot armor  and the Crab disappointment as only by reading the first page of this thread , I see that it's been discussed enough! the thing with the step stones is that it's been build up, build up, build up for 3 episodes and then a jump right into the conclusion ! there's no middle ! we don't see why Daemon and Velaryons are so frustrated and overwhelmed , we don't see how Daemon is the reason they're losing . we don't see why Vaemond goes behind Corlys's back to send a letter to Viserys himself . we only hear about them ! but that is good enough because we don't EVEN HEAR why the hell Corlys allied himself with Daemon ! we don't see any gold cloaks or men specifically loyal to Daemon . there are all Velaryon men with Velaryon commanders and Velaryon dragon and then there's Daemon , Corlys's "teenager" adopted son with his odd pet ,who is causing them losses through his tantrums !
    • also , let's talk about Laena Velaryon and the most terrible dragon of the time . where are they? I mean ... I'm cool with not showing Laena claiming Vhaegar ;considering later Aemond scene , it would have been repetitive . but man , they needed to show or mention that Laena rides Vhaegar now . they could either put her in Driftmark to hear about Stepstones and pull an episode2 Rhaenyra to take her dragon to trouble without leave  , or they could put her in the court to show us she and Rhaenyra start bonding . but more easily , Strong could mention her in his little advice :" with Vhaegar under lady Laena's command and Laenor riding his own full grown dragon , an alliance with Velaryons is more crucial than ever "

     

     

    my positive points all go to the Greens . as much of a Black supporter that I am , it's good to see they try to show Green councilors (Alicent , Tyland ,Larys , even to a certain surprising extend Otto ) as good guys and , in case of Tyland , possessing a brain and empathy for the realm. although , I preferred very much for Alicent to suggest Aegon and Rhaenyra's match after talking with her father about Aegon's rights, torn between what her faith has taught her to be her son's right and her faith in her old friend . 

     

  14. 10 minutes ago, Daeron the Daring said:

    That's just calling the same thing by a different name. 

    You have to look at the factual part of things, and ask yourself: Why did  get cut on the Throne, meanwhile Y  did not, altough, based on why rulers get cut on the Throne,  arguably deserved it even more than X?

    That's the point I was making, altough I didn't say it out loud (for not having enough time to write a longer comment).

    Aenys is called 'the Weak', and never gets cut by the Throne, Aegon IV is called 'the Unworthy', yet no mention of him being cut by the Throne, altough it seems to be a major thing whenever it happens.

    And, for example, it is, In Viserys' case. Because he was severely cut by the Throne when he cut out the tongues of the Velaryon cousins, and decided to never again sit on it. It seems like the equation is fair play, but you have to ask yourself, what should've Viserys done? Disinherit Rhaenyra or her 3 eldest sons? Rhaenyra was still his daughter and heir, the Strong boys were his grandchildren just as well as Aegon II's children were. I don't think he made a bad decision there, not to mention that silencing the Velaryon cousins was a necessity to defend his rule and authority, as well as Rhaenyra's legitimacy to the Throne.

    My point is that it's not the Iron Throne that decides wether the people sitting in it are qualified or not. Maegor was likely pushed into the blades or committed suicide (I'd personally go with suicide), and the rest is mythical history. A legend. I doubt there's any magical power in the Iron Throne, and even if there is, it clearly can't make up its own mind, shown by not cutting people like Aegon IV, Aenys I, Robert Baratheon, and arguably Jaehaerys I as well. There is no mention of the Throne ever cutting a Hand who had to sit in it, nor did it cut Jaime Lannister, who walked up and sat on it with his sword covered in Aerys' blood. Nor does it cut Daemon (in the show), who has no right to sit in it, just like Jaime didn't, but Viserys starts out with one already.

    I think this is an ongoing myth that evolved and grew bigger over time, so much so that people freak out when Joffrey cuts himself, and not worried for his health because of that injury, but because viewing it as the sign of the Throne deeming him unworthy and foreshadowing his eventual fall.

    If there was a vote on this, I'd wote myth over magical element. That's what I'm tryna say here. The Throne is not haunted or anything the like, this just became a device for both George and in-world storytellers.

    yes , I agree . it's a myth . it's worth noting that as long as Dance is considered , Gylidane seems to favor the side of the male ruler . it happens when he writes about Rhaenys and Viserys in great council and again happens when he questions Viserys's decision , for I think writing specifically that Viserys was cut and Rhaenyra was cut is a clear indication that he believes making Rhaenyra heir was wrong . when it comes to IT and monarchs in general , there's a good chance that they all cut themselves at one point or the other (if  you know , it wasn't all imaginary tale). it was a bunch of melted swords after all ! only , after Viserys's case, it became the myth you talk about here . 

     

  15. an interesting interview with Eve Best and Steve Toussaint about Velaryon's family dynamics.

    the interviewer asks Steve whether Corlys favors one of his children over the other . to which he answers of his own understanding of the character rather than the scripts per se' . he says that Corlys seems to favor his daughter more and is harder on Laenor . which I conclude as he probably does blame Laenor for not siring children of his own. probably a contributing factor to why he's seemingly fine with Rhaenyra . another interesting part to me is that during casting process they have apparently talked about Corlys's fatherhood aspect more than anything (Steve mentioned that in previous interviews as well) .  a huge aspect in old Corlys considering he is pretty much done with ambition after Rhaenys's death and just wants to see all his grandkids (and adopted grandkids aka, Aegon the younger) survive the war.

     

    and with that notion in mind , I finally have a good guess about "history does not remember blood, it remembers names" ... probably Laenor , like Rhaenyra, refuses the marriage... reasons with his father that Driftmark could go to Laena's children as she is also Corlys's blood . to which Corlys likely replies" you idiot , they are Targaryens !" 

  16. 42 minutes ago, Takiedevushkikakzvezdy said:

    That's what worries me the most about the structure of this show. The big time skips can give characters personality swaps instead of gradually changing them. Haven't some of the reviews pointed that out as well?

    there's certainly concern about that issue . however , they can pull something like that off considering that we'll continue with the main characters such as Rhaenyra , Alicent and Cole . I guess we can only wait and see ... my main concern for the show , is how they'll deal with second generation cast, since with the structure they have for season 1 , half of the first generation characters will die after some scenes for merely 2 episodes and are basically just there to have children! in GoT for example , Arya , Sansa , Robb and Joffrey were hardly center stage in season 1 but they were all properly fleshed out in later seasons . if this show can do the same for twins , Strong Velaryons , Aegons and Aemond one-eye , then it can be a pretty good show . otherwise , it's got the potential to be a  show that you never get attached to anyone , especially that the main cast who will be there for start to finish are not exactly going to stay likable for long. not to mention , A LOT of new characters keep coming in , Daeron and Dragon seeds the most obvious ones .... they have to deal with Peake , Hightowers , Lannisters , Stark , Jeyne Arryn , Blackwoods ..... thinking of it , I do not envy the showrunners at all :D

  17. change of the topic and getting back to our least favorite knight , ser Criston Cole . in one of his interviews Fabien Frankel does mention that Criston becomes a completely different character after the major time jump . so , obviously they are going with the perfect knight who's soiled with his own revenge seeking obsession.

    however , jokes aside , it'll be a good idea to pull a reverse show Jaimie arc on him! meaning after the obvious arc he slowly gets remorse for his actions especially after seeing the atrocities his favorite student , Aemond, inflicts on people . the reason I think it could be a good idea goes back to Cole's end in F&B . as the only non-nobility character , it's somewhat sad to see him as the only one who dies like a commoner despite his station. and while he completely deserves being denied a heroic death , I find the whole situation a bit unfair due to his heritage. and I think it'll add some layers to it if he doesn't fully deserve that death. 

  18. 5 minutes ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

    Based on stills, the next episode takes place in the Westerlands, and Alicent is already pregnant with Helaena. I wonder if the showrunners thought that people would lose interest if they didn’t end S1 with the start of the war? There’s so much that they could be fleshing out but are instead skipping over.

    I will never forgive(a bit harsh I guess!) them for not properly fleshing out pre Dance characters (Laena , Harwin , Laenor , Luke , etc.) . but as I've said before I understand they want to hit hard at the end of the season. without the first dance between Luke and Aemond , there's nothing new to the show . you've got some family drama in an old setting and yes there are dragons .. but so what? ... those dragons need to fight. thus , I'm putting my hope on the next three-four seasons where they can pretend, other than clear exceptions, main characters are the second generations and flesh them out A LOT.  

    like, someone like Jace can easily be a Robb Stark figure and with 3-4 more seasons , imagine what they can do with Baella , Addam , Daeron, even Aegon II and the rest.... 

  19. Just now, Black Crow said:

    Well in the end, what's clearly important is that Jon is the son of Lyanna and a son of Winterfell. His father is only of secondary importance [if at all] unless you demand that he be a Targaryen.

    that's true . however , it'll be like George trolling us if Jon does have Targaryen heritage and he's received absolutely nothing magical of that bloodline . that's why RLJ sucks.

  20. 20 minutes ago, Black Crow said:

    Probably... whatever way you want to look at at it, an internal conversation in which Lord Eddard [who almost up until this point has been seeing Jon every day] first observes that he hasn't thought about the Prince for years and then muses on the unlikelihood that he [the Prince] has ever visited a brothel, is not how Lord Eddard is going to think about his sister's lover/rapist

    I fully agree. and that is why I honestly think that's where either ser Arthur Dayne (who Ned becomes clearly upset talking of) or  Ser Nobody enter . though , I realize neither of these are popular opinions:dunno:

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