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  1. 8 minutes ago, Crazy Old Guy said:

    I understand. But Stannis is a person with pent-up anger and knowing all the horrible shit that Cersei has done would probably set him on a tangent.

    Maybe...

    The other other theory that I have is that it's Davos that does it, but that's kinda a crackpot theory of mine.

    Davos?! do tell..

  2. 5 hours ago, Corvo the Crow said:

    Varys pays them to read letters, documents etc and then recite back to him, so I doubt they'd be mutes. Remember this is medieval times and reading is not common, teaching it would be hard, teaching to a mute would probably much more harder.

    I was(am) confused about these birds:unsure:

    in Dance it gives the impression that they recite the letters:

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    “Mice, we called them then. The older thieves were fools who thought no further than turning a night’s plunder into wine. Varys preferred orphan boys and young girls. He chose the smallest, the ones who were quick and quiet, and taught them to climb walls and slip down chimneys. He taught them to read as well. We left the gold and gems for common thieves. Instead our mice stole letters, ledgers, charts … later, they would read them and leave them where they lay. Secrets are worth more than silver or sapphires, Varys claimed. Just so. I grew so respectable that a cousin of the Prince of Pentos let me wed his maiden daughter, whilst whispers of a certain eunuch’s talents crossed the narrow sea and reached the ears of a certain king..."

    but I went back to aGoT where it gave me the impression of mute kids:

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    “You are more than a juggler, old friend. You are a true sorcerer. All I ask is that you work your magic awhile longer.”

    They started down the hall in the direction Arya had come, past the room with the monsters.

    “What I can do, I will,” the one with the torch said softly. “I must have gold, and another fifty birds.”

    She let them get a long way ahead, then went creeping after them. Quiet as a shadow.

    “So many?” The voices were fainter as the light dwindled ahead of her. “The ones you need are hard to find... so young, to know their letters... perhaps older... not die so easy...”

    “No. The younger are safer... treat them gently if they kept their tongues the risk...”

    :huh: did I misunderstand the sentence? 

  3. I've got a few questions regarding Varys's little birds:

    1. what happens to them when they grow up?
    2. are they Essosi or Westerosi?
    3. are they slaves or are they hired?!
    4. are their tongues actually cut out?:/  I mean are they like Unsulied and are just mutes instead of euniques? or are they mute from birth?
  4. 1 hour ago, SerDerrick said:

    Well...the TV show confirmed that Jon Snow is the son of Lyanna and Rhaegar...and legitimate too as Rhaegar divorced Ellia Martell beforehand...so Jon has claim to the throne.

    the TV show also confirmed that Sansa is Jeyne Pool , Jon Snow is Aegon Targaryen and Beric Dondarion  sells Gendry to a woman who most certainly wants to kill him. so, I'm not so sure anymore my friend.

  5. 18 hours ago, Loose Bolt said:

    I assume that most houses in Dorne knew about her health issues. Or how fragile Elia's health was and did not want to gamble with a possibility that her pregnancy would kill her. But very interesting question is why Aerys II ignored that fact about her poor health.

    see..that's the problem. Targs had childbirth crisis on their own . if Elia's health issues were that visible that no one wanted her as a wife , why would the Targaryens ignore that?

  6. does anyone know why Elia didn't marry until Rhaegar entered the picture? she and Oberyn were on their spouse search tour in 273 when she was 16 but she wasn't betrothed to Rhaegar until 279... 6 years is a long period in Westeros... we can assume that Oberyn didn't want to marry (and being a man meant he didn't have the youth clock on him) but why didn't Elia? I mean.. it's hard to believe the only dornish princess available who was good enough for a crown prince had shortage of suiters! not to mention , GRRM found it important to address why Arianne Martell and Laena Velarion were still single at the ages of 24 and 22 but not 22 year-old Elia?

  7. 3 hours ago, BRANDON GREYSTARK said:

    Robert basically was destroying himself 

    basically yes. especially when he hid in a brothel sleeping with whores in Stoney Sept while mourning for a lost Lyanna who was being raped time and time again, all while JonCon was hanging and threatening people who had helped our poor Boby! 

  8. @AlaskanSandman , the idea of Tywin orchestrating the rebellion is one of my favorite theories. although I have problems with figuring out how Ned doesn't seem to know a thing. and how had Kevan seen Lyanna to comment on her looks? .. did Rhaegar rescue her and took her somewhere else? did she get pregnant then or was she already pregnant.. perhaps at Harrenhal explaining why "bastards grow faster"? ....  it makes it like a detective novel where the one who had stayed behind and seems the most innocent is behind the murder. and it's not a far cry from the mystery of Jon Arryn's murder where supposedly Lannisters and Pycell are to be blamed while Lysa and Petyr are the murderers :) 

     

    Yandel is an unreliable narrator but Jaimie is a whole other deal ... Jaimie was in a vulnerable state when he told Brienne all those things , so I can't see why we can't trust him. and Cat's version isn't necessarily a wrong version. if you think about it (and I warn you, you better don't:wacko:) , it makes sense that Brandon dies before his father: Rickard was burning and screaming and Brandon was reaching for his sword and strangling in the process...further he tries , more tight the rope gets. if his father's screams stop (meaning he has burned to death), he would lose hope and fall with grief instead of reaching forward for the sword. this stops the strangling business. meanwhile Rickard watches his son dying as he tries . it's a two way torture for both of them . and finally since burning takes longer to kill someone , Brandon dies first. it's only logical that Aerys orders cutting Rickard , giving him a "gracious kingly mercy" . so you see? Cat's version works. Rickard did see Brandon strangling himself to death before he was killed.

     

  9. 17 minutes ago, LynnS said:

    If RLJ is true;  I'm expecting the unexpected.  What if Jon is a dragon with an affinity for ice rather than fire?  What if he rides the 'ice dragon' instead of one of Dany's dragons?

     

    well, Jon is already  riding the ice dragon if we consider the Wall to be that dragon; isn't he?! there is already some sort of symmetry between Jon in the Wall (ice element) and Dany with her dragons (fire elements) .. does it make any sense? :/  the problem with RLJ theory (other than some irrational out of character actions) is that it puts Jon in the middle of the story .. it represents him as a sort of balance between fire end and ice end... something he currently is not. 

  10. Ramsay to (f)Arya

    Alyn of Hull (started a bastard) to Baela Targaryen

    the second son Corbray to Rhaena Targaryen

    Betha Blackwood to unlikely future King

    Alys Rivers to Aemond

     

    8 hours ago, H Wadsey Longfellow said:

    Elia to Rhaegar

    you cannot be serious:blink:

    1 hour ago, Lilac & Gooseberries said:

    Cersei to Robert: the marriage made her the Queen. You cannot get any better position than the Queen's.

    that one was an up jump for the both of them:)

  11. 2 hours ago, AlaskanSandman said:

    I dont think Mance was  glamoured as Rhaegar. I think Mance was the Mystery Knight with the White Tree on his shield. Mance likely being born at WhiteTree. The Tree on his shield represents where he was born.

    my bad then. I read your theory and I think you mentioned Mance jousting instead of Rhaegar at Harrenhal and crowning Lyanna , whilst being glamoured to look like Rhaegar. but that doesn't make sense to me due to the reasons I mentioned before. though , if you'd be willing to go with the theory of Lyanna being the  knight of the laughing tree ,then Rhaegar crowing her could simply be a gesture of respect rather than love or affection. this narrative could even work with your theory about Mance and Lyanna with Lyanna's sigil being a nod to her beloved's birthplace. 

  12. 12 hours ago, AlaskanSandman said:

    Not only is having a paramour ok for Nobels in Dorne, but it appears to be ok for a Noble to be a paramour

    that's a bit different with Quent and Dany : though he is a prince , she is a queen in possession of dragons; therefore, Quentyn would do anything to get those dragons and forge an alliance with the dragon queen. having said that, it is possible that Rhaegar and Elia had seen a third party/paramour/surrogate mother/ whatever else OK in their marriage .. after all , they were thinking of battle for the Dawn , prophecies and relating comets to their sex life. 

     

    12 hours ago, AlaskanSandman said:

    Rhaegar needed to win Harrenhal too, so he couldn't have Mance beating him. Mance wants to give a blue rose crown to Lyanna though. Something i doubt Rhaegar would understand the symbolism of. Rhaegar has never even been to the North. How would he know about the Blue Roses or be able to get one? 

    There are just too many clues left out by assuming Rhaegar is Jon's father. Those clues make more sense with Mance as Jon's father, while Rhaegar is Daenerys. Daenerys even has a vision where she see's Rhaegar, but when he lifts his helmet, its Dany.

    I could accept Mance being Jon's dad... the blue bard story is the first thing that makes one think of an alternative to R+L theory that comes to mind in the first book. Mance and Rhaegar's acquaintance isn't impossible too. we do know that Rhaegar and Aemon were connected and I find it hard to believe they had never met in person. due to Aemon's age though , Rhaegar probably had to visit him at the wall (from Eastwatch instead of Kingsroad and Winterfell) ; so , Mance and Rhaegar could have met in the Wall.  Mance's singing skills and his amiable personality makes him a good candidate for speaking of night's Watch gallantry in a big tournament ( a parallel to Jon sending Dareon to southron castles to recruit) . ... BUT here's the problem :Mance cannot be glamoured into looking like Rhaegar to win a tourney

    •  first of all , he said he was skeptical of Glamour magic before Mel did her trick which suggests he had never seen that magic before ,let alone using it.
    • though Mance is a great swordsman , there is no indication that he had training with lance and jousting especially that he was trained at the Wall where you don't need lance to fight wildlings. we know people can be good at single combat and not jousting . an example of this is Robert who is skilled in the Melee and not in jousting.
    • Rhaegar was much younger and less experienced when he lost to Selmy .
    • unlike Mance , the knight of the laughing tree had small features.
    2 hours ago, Frey family reunion said:

    But my one take away from some of GRRM’s other works, is that this scenario seems to be a recurring narrative from his earlier works.  Namely, in a Song for Lya and in Dying of the Light.  Both stories deal with fairly strong women, who end up getting sucked into a cult, and end up sacrificing a good bit of their own independence/agency.  

    Rhaegar does sound like a cult leader . still , I haven't read those stories but wouldn't it take some time for the girl to finally be sucked into that cult? for example if she was more around that guy she would come to share his beliefs little by little but we can be sure Lyanna wasn't around Rhaegar or his friends/supporters after Harrenhal.

     

     

     

    talking about tDwD reminded me of something

    in Clash  Dany has a vision of Rhaegar's death with murmuring a woman's name with his last breath which suggests Rhaegar was either in love with that woman or cared about her a lot as a prophecy tool! we don't know the woman's name but Dany does, otherwise it would have been worded " he died murmuring something".. the only women in Rhaegar's life Dany is aware of are Elia and Lyanna; so, if the woman's name was X , Dany would be wondering and/or asking who X is. Therefore, we can be almost sure that Rhaegar and Ashara didn't have a thing .   ... later in Dance  Dany asks Barristan if Rhaegar loved his wife. she also thinks that Rhaegar abducted the woman he loved to save her from her forced marriage , something she wished Dario did for her. clearly Dany has heard Lyanna's name ... so, perhaps we should just accept the story of the lovestruck prince and the rebellious girl!... still, if I wanna push it, I'd say there's a chance of misinterpretation on Dany's part. after all , Elia and Lya (we know Ned used the short form of Lyanna ) sound a lot alike... everything can always be debatable :) 

  13. 1 hour ago, The Bard of Banefort said:

    Have we seen the Westerlands yet? I don't recall any POV chapters being set there. That would make it the only kingdom we haven't seen yet.

    no , we haven't. but ,fortunately, we'll finally see Westerlands in tWoW;)

  14. 25 minutes ago, AlaskanSandman said:

    Seems a lil presumptive but ok. That's just pretty detailed for the lack of information we are given. We are simply told she doesn't think Robert is faithful or will be, and also that she thinks love is a "Sweet idea"

    Besides, the books only hints that Rhaegar was interested because he wanted a 3rd child. No where is it implied that Rhaegar didn't love Elia, who he upset his father and Tywin to marry. So why would Lyanna want a man only interested in having a 3rd child to fulfill prophecy? Where is it implied that Lyanna was concerned about prophecy? 
    The amount of bending things to make this work is weird. 
    37 minutes ago, AlaskanSandman said:

    Still weird how people can justify going for one cheater over another. Idk how many people have actually done this in real life and feel the need to justify cheating, but Im of the opinion that cheating is cheating. 

    One way or another, I think we're all missing something. I hope we all get a surprise still

    I agree that the whole story of Lyanna and Rhaegar doesn't make sense at some levels and honestly I personally don't like the ship:) though , it's not far fetched that a young woman who is stuck in a betrothal to a guy she sure knows will cheat on her constantly in the future , would be desperate enough to be happy with a mutual love with a married guy who might even keep to one bed rather than two for her sake since he is generally decent in nature and was married out of politics.... now, everything we know about Rhaegar suggest that he is far from a cheater... a statement you say you agree with...so , how come you think he had a paramour in his wife's companion, Ashara Dayne? and how is that not cheating? the dornish are ok with sex out of wedlock and a lot else. but having lovers other than one's spouse is not something we are sure of among the dornish...

  15. 3 hours ago, AlaskanSandman said:

    I find it interesting how any one could justify or rationalize Lyanna Stark, falling for Rhaegar. She literally doesn't want Robert cause he is likely to cheat on her, to cheat with an already married man, who is cheating. It literally makes no sense at all. 

    @Julia H. is right. Lyanna's problem with Robert goes further than a one time romance out of wedlock , a paramour or one single bastard. not to mention, comparing Rhaegar and Robert in regards of affairs is a bit problematic. 

    the issue with R+L theory is not Lyanna's character in my view, rather it's Rhaegar's alongside the three kingsgaurds. 

    Rhaegar's been painted as a pretty responsible guy who probably wouldn't follow his heart for months all while his country bleeds and his children -one of whom is prince that was promised- could be in danger from every corner including from grandpa king. some would suggest Rhaegar was trying to make the third head of the dragon and thus was doing what was the best for the realm during that time . but that would mean Lyanna either entered Rhaegar's plan to take up the role of lady baby maker willingly which doesn't fit her character or was deceived and seduced by an eager Rhaegar which doesn't fit the decent personality of him. and Rhaegar's "coming back from Dorne" -where his brother in law's territory is- doesn't make sense if he was with Lyanna. how could he be secretive and careful enough not to be seen in Dorne when he couldn't in Riverland where he supposedly abduct Lyanna? 

    on the other hand , the three kingsgaurds seemed to be working for Rhaegar and Aerys , explaining why they felt they were doing their full duty to their king and prince. my guess is whatever they were doing was related to Rhaegar's journey. I think Rhaegar and his six companions were searching for something or doing something related to the prophecy... why else would the crown prince take only six companions with him and all confidants and close friends at that AND so soon after the birth of his promised prince? ... now whether every thing happened after was related to that or whether Lyanna's disappearance was related is questionable. 

    as for Jon , I believe Lyanna is the mother and that will be the important part of Jon's parentage. but I can't quite say who might be the father. it might as well be Rhaegar , after all one single passionate night is more than enough to make baby Jon! not a prophetical scheme or an epic love that stupifies people!  yet , if we don't rely on the show's plot , with the books' information other candidates for Jon's dad ( Mance , Aerys , Arthur ,even Ned and Brandon in the case Lyanna's not the mother) shouldn't be ruled out.

  16. 7 hours ago, Jaenara Belarys said:

    Oooh, hard one.

    Marry Garlan

    Bang Willas

    Kill Loras (sorry)

    I always imagined Willas to be the marriage material one!

    25 minutes ago, Lilac & Gooseberries said:

    The rogue edition

    Daemon T

    Bloodraven 

    Eyron

    M: Bloodraven

    B: Daemon T

    K: Eyron( who is this? do you mean Euron?)

  17. 28 minutes ago, Arthur Peres said:

    you're making it sound better than it was...

    Doran didn't just sit around... he send his brother and son to certain death in exchange of absolute nothing.

    come on now! be fair... how should poor Doran have known Oberyn who was going to a WEDDING CERMONY ends up voluntarily dueling the Mountain?!!!

    and as for Quentyn...sigh... your absolutely right.. Doran did send the poor boy all alone into the Dragon's pit, though he never suggested taming actual dragons...

    you know... I think Doran's stupid move of sending Quentyn himself and without a sufficient number of companions might come from his misjudgment of his son's character on top of his too much caution... Quentyn was terrible in bringing Dany the marriage proposal. since he had only two knights with him there was no presentation of Dorne's power and since Q was awkward there was no way of some good seduction or persuasion... I think Doran looked at himself with Melario and Oberyan with his ladies and thought Quentyn would be as successful!!

  18. 4 hours ago, Annara Snow said:

    This question is messy because Rhaegar's daughter is child, and I sure don't want to kill or bang a child. Ugh. So I would have to marry her without consummation and later annul the marriage.

    I suppose you should imagine all these characters in their adult stage in this game . so you could think Rhaenys lives to grow up and then all will be well :) 

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    Aegons:

    Aegon the Conqueror

    Aegon V the Unlikely aka Egg.

    fAegon

    marry part is easy.. marry Egg 

    bang fAegon

    kill the Conqueror

     

    latest Tyrell boys:

    Loras

    Garlan

    Willas

     

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