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my top 3 changes with every book .
but bottom three: Victarion, Arya , Asha(pre-Stannis camp)
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A future interaction I'm hoping to see soon is Sansa/Arya. These sisters have come a long way.
also, a weird interaction I would've liked to see was Daenerys/young Robert. yeah! oddly enough, lately, I've realized young Robert is entirely Daenerys's type! violent and strong, huge and manly, living by the day without any care for the future... totally a maiden's fantasy! on the other hand , Daenerys is totally Robert's type.. being a young pretty girl and all! such a shame usurper issue and the Narrow sea comes between them....
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guys! you NEED to see this! lol.... especially the ending: "actually all you really need is a Stark with two working hands"
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On 2/9/2023 at 11:42 PM, Lord Varys said:
I was wondering whether George's recent longer NAB post about Casterly Rock might not necessarily signify he has written (much) material set at Casterly Rock for TWoW or ADoS but rather reflect talks and info dumps he gave the producers of HotD.
I doubt they change the castle completely. Most likely, they will only add a few details. otherwise, if retconning castles is an option, I'm all for a new Winterfell
anyways, it'll be nice to see lady Joanna and lady Sam from earlier in the series, especially since lady Sam is in a terrible situation, being married to the enemies of her house. And later, she singlehandedly stopped the war( the Hightower boy wanted to continue, didn't he?)
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20 minutes ago, Curled Finger said:
I am being completely serious. That is the name of it, Truth. Hey, before Fire & Blood came out we were desperate.
ok...so, according to this theory, why would Daenerys need some Valyrian steel sword so badly?
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The Dornish killing Daeron I under peace banner. I mean, he was the first one to break the peace.
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6 minutes ago, Curled Finger said:
Was an old theory Quaithe was talking about the Rogare sword, Truth, in that passage.
Rogare sword? are you being serious? how?
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4 minutes ago, sifth said:
Why did the Iron Born, follow this guy again?
don't try to find logic in Iron Islands
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Tywin and Walder Frey are on the same level occupying #1. Joffrey, Aerys, and Ramsay , and other members of the crazy bunch, come next. and afterward I'd say Ironborn(especially Balon) , Lysa Arryn, and LittleFinger (his cruelty comes from his pettiness).
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23 minutes ago, Prince Rhaegar Targareyen said:
The man was…not smart.
that's putting it mildly
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On 2/8/2023 at 11:12 PM, Craving Peaches said:
As pointed out by my dear friend, @Prince Rhaegar Targareyen:
Tywin saw his father as weak and not embodying proper masculine virtues. He blamed his father for the state his House was in, and while this is true, Tywin arguably over-compensates in the other direction. It is not enough for his House to be respected, they have to be feared. He goes over the top all the time, like when he wiped out all the Reynes and Tarbecks including the innocents, when he sanctioned the incredibly brutal murders of Elia, Aegon and Rhaenys, and so on. He had such a problem with how people acted with his father that he mistrusted the sound of laughter and almost never smiled. Of course, this over-the-top compensation for where he found his father lacking, as anyone who has read about psychoanalysis will know, could stem from two things:
- Oedipus Complex
- Tywin feels insecure about his small pee-pee
I'm obviously no expert but I would say Tywin feels insecure about his small pee-pee... it's such a shame Tyrion didn't get to describe it to us when he killed his dad... maybe that's why he is constantly trying to satisfy his ego and is easily threatened by the slightest insults!
in all seriousness, the man has some issues with his father that has led to his insecurities, just like Tyrion. his problems with his father may differ from Tyrion's problems with him, but both have clearly ended with the same results. Tyrion is selfish, petty, and insecure and tries to compensate for that by being cruel and violent. Tywin does the same. Tytos may not have been as big of a joke as Tywin believes him to be, but he seems to be the primary source of Tywin's insecurities to the day he died.
On 2/8/2023 at 11:12 PM, Craving Peaches said:I am not denying the possibility Tywin could have a small pee-pee but I think the former option may be more likely because of Tywin's relationship to his mother and his relationship with his cousin Joanna. That's right, Tywin married his cousin because she was like his mother. Just look at how he treats this poor woman:
And Joanna was the only person who could make him laugh...
naah. First, I do not buy into "Tywin married for love" for one second. I happen to think love comes with respect which is clearly lacking in the case of Joanna and Tywin. the fact that the only two people who believe in this "love" are Pycelle and Cersei doesn't help the argument. though that does not mean, Tywin didn't love Joanna as much as Cersei loved Jaimie. I suspect Cersei's relationship with Jaimie may indicate what Tywin's relationship with Joanna may have been like. Cersei wants Jaimie to fulfill her narcissistic desires. as it happens, Tywin is just as narcissistic as Cersei. also, the way Cersei sees Targaryens and might be subconsciously imitating them is fascinating. Cersei thinks if she had children with Rhaegar they would have been half gods! meanwhile, she sees herself so high and above that other than Rhaegar only her twin, Jaimie, is good enough for her. Tywin spent all his life in Kingslanding growing up with Aerys and despises his father for not seeing himself as better than his peers. Tywin ends up genuinely believing himself so close to Targaryens that Cersei's rejection comes as such a big surprise for him; despite the fact that his relationship with Aerys was rocky at that point and Targaryens have such massive egos that they hardly ever marry outside of their inner circle. so, maybe marrying Joanna, who was both his cousin and Aerys's ex, was to feed his ego. one would imagine Tywin must have had a very complicated relationship with his wife . on one hand, she was chosen by the Targaryen prince, so she must be something special (good for Tywin's ego), and on the other hand, she was the leftovers of another man by Tywin's misogynistic mind (bad for Tywin's ego). resulting in him so easily discarding her plans and disrespecting her after her death.
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3 minutes ago, Prince Rhaegar Targareyen said:
I don’t think so. I actually expect fAegon to be a pretty good king, for the short time he is on the throne. I think it would be the perfect morally grey act for Daenerys. That he is a good king, and good person but she finds out he is a Blackfyre and kills him.
oh, I actually don't think that is a delusion. Aegon will be a good king or at least will try to be. but to think Varys spends 20+ years cutting children's tongues , exploiting them and telling himself it's for the greater good because some dudes he has appointed to raise Aegon will bring up the perfect king is definitely delusional. especially that mice/birds project predates Aegon's birth!
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4 hours ago, Craving Peaches said:
Yes but he might think it's all worth it to get F/Aegon on the throne. That F/Aegon would be able to establish a dynasty where every member was Jaehaerys the Concilliator because if F/Aegon's raised properly he can then raise his son properly and so on.
what a delusional
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16 hours ago, Gilbert Green said:
Varys cuts out the tongues of children.
32 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said:Yes, this is what I think. Varys genuinely believes all he is doing is for the good of the realm (even though it isn't really).
I don't think even Varys could see himself at the right if he systematically cuts out children's tongues. I mean, he was maimed himself. He should know how terrible it is.
Then again, a while ago, I was confused about Varys's little birds and asked about the tongue situation in the "small questions" thread. Corvo and Megorova somewhat convinced me that the birds aren't mutes. You can read their arguments here:
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41 minutes ago, Alden Rothack said:
the only person who could have stopped the war after that point was Rhaenys, if she'd taken the hightowers when she had the chance the war would have been effectively over before it started
Rhaenys never had the chance to kill Hightowers in the books.
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War was inevitable when Jaeherys decided not to take a straightforward approach toward succession when Aemon died. Had he named Rhaenys his heir instead of Baelon, there wouldn't be any crisis should some future king lack sons.
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On 2/4/2023 at 3:24 AM, Prince Rhaegar Targareyen said:
Let’s just say for the sake of the argument, that Rhaegar was indeed planning on overthrowing his father. And the Tourney at Harrenhal was where Rhaegar planned to discuss it with the great lords. Why would Varys interfere? Aerys is, by multiple diffferent accounts, insane by this point. If Varys was indeed “for the realm” by this point, Rhaegar was clearly the better option. Was he already planting the seems for fAegon?
I doubt Varys is "for the realm", Varys is "for Varys". I think to figure out Varys's motives in Harrenhal, we should take a look at his little speech about where power resides. seems to me Varys, in this scenario, is the guy with the sword, only his sword is his information and influence. Harrenhall was the scene of his power-play. we know Aerys was crazy enough to burn his own son if he had enough evidence of his betrayal. we also know that although King's presence didn't allow for a great council, it certainly convinced lords of his madness and more in favor of Rhaegar. one could say the king's presence in the tourney could both be good or bad for Rhaegar, depending on how Varys would play his cards. Varys sent Aerys to Harrenhall, seemingly messing up Rhaegar's plan but withholding enough info not to bring him down completely. maybe, he was sending out a warning to Rhaegar who at that point had absolutely no reason to keep some foreign weirdo at his court whenever he was to become king. maybe Varys was trying to show Rhaegar how he could be either his ally or enemy, while he probably wasn't even on Rhaegar's radar before.
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the same way he dealt with Janos the Martyr. that is if they survive the aftermath chaos of Jon's fall.
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3 hours ago, Phylum of Alexandria said:
It could be that Aegon is a Blackfyre but Varys doesn't know it.
Varys may really think that Aegon really is the Pisswater Prince, which would give a little more weight to his speech to Kevan about cultivation and experience trumping blood and entitlement.
But perhaps Illyrio played his friend false, and raised his own son as the Pisswater Prince raised to believe himself a Targaryen, and disguised as Young Griff (this is getting confusing). This version of events would go against the Varys-Serra BF theory, but it seems like a valid alternative to that one, given what we know and don't know.
that's better. but still, that's a little confusing and it won't help with Daenerys situation. Idk . guess will see if he is a Blackfyre in the next book. I somehow doubt this one takes till Dream of Spring.
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28 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said:
Yes but if the King of the Reach was really being an asshole then the neighbouring kings would probably step in. Or that King's vassals could go seek the support of another king.
and when a Targaryen king is being really an asshole his heirs or his lords step in. cases in point: Rhaegar attempting to depose Aerys. Laughing Storm rising against Aegon V (rightfully or otherwise). Aegon II's council killing him, Daemon Blackfyre rising against Daeron (rightfully or otherwise) , Jaeherys and lords rising against Maegor. not much difference there you see.
28 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said:But we don't know that the old kings didn't have advisors similar to the small council anyway. And when you get down to it the small council are just advisors, they don't limit the king's power in any way, so any king with advisors would have the same 'limits', so unless no pre-Conquest king had advisors I don't really see the difference in terms of their power being 'limited'.
that's pretty much implied. the world book states Aegon's affairs and novel ideas in governance by the examples of giving his Queens exceptional power, appointing a person as Hand , Small Council, the Kingsgaurd and the King's Peace. it's pretty much implied that like position of the Hand , the Small Council was something new.
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12 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said:
The Small Council doesn't really moderate the King's Decisions at all though. They can give him advice, but they can't stop him from doing whatever and the King can ignore them and do whatever he wants and fire them any time.
still better than nothing which was the case with Pre-Targ kingdoms.
12 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said:You had a chance to run back then too. And all regions aside from the North and Dorne (I think) were affected by the Dance. Parts of Reach were burned as well, everyone in Bitterbridge got slaughtered. And running to the North and Dorne is going to be just as difficult as it was because you will still have to run through a warzone and then get through the Neck or desert.
like I said there were more options after the Conquest . not ideal, but better.
12 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said:If you were running in the Dance you'd still have to check the situation there as Dorne wasn't part of the Seven Kingdoms yet. And the situation in the marches is always precarious.
that one's actually true. my bad.
12 minutes ago, Craving Peaches said:Yes, but this one person is in a far stronger position than those seven, and if they go asshole then everyone suffers. Not just people in one or two kingdoms.
well, is he? do you really think a Gardner King going asshole wasn't as bad as a Targaryen king going asshole? at least with the Targaryen several great houses could face the asshole instead of one Florent or Hightower against the Gardner. and even that is only when the asshole's small council and Hand couldn't send him off to his privy business and take the matters into their own hands, which was hardly the case for the Gardner or Stark or Durrendan or the rest.
despite its flaws , the Targaryen rule was better than that of the 7 kingdoms(save for Dorne) . much like North is better off with Starks or Dorne was better off with Nymerya and Mors.
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I find Jon Snow is Arthur Dayne's son and will be the next Sword of the Morning intriguing and I like it a lot. but in all honesty, I don't have much hope!
my other favorite theories, regardless of evidence:
1. Dragons and the Others will survive the conflict and human exploitation and will live in the wild by the end!
2. Seasons will become normal after the Long Night
3. Jon Snow will become a Night King figure who is a tragic hero who will be remembered as a villain.
4. Aegon is Aegon and Lemore is Ashara . (I like the Ashara=Jyanna Reed theory but when I think Ned and Howland killed Arthur I cannot imagine how Ashara might want to have anything to do with either of them...)
5. Lem is Richard and Jaimie will reveal it
6. Tommen is the Valanquer and he'll mercy kill his mother . dark . I know . but it's GRRM.
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On 2/4/2023 at 7:30 PM, Melifeather said:
I think Alayne is viewed with much disdain since Petyr is also viewed with contempt. We're familiar with up-jumped knights, but Petyr is an up-jumped Lord. When the marriage was proposed to Harry the Heir, he pretty much thought Alayne was beneath his station which I think is a nod towards what Ashara thought about her marriage prospects after giving birth. She didn't want to marry beneath her station. She found it as distasteful as Harry did of his match with Alayne.
On 2/4/2023 at 7:30 PM, Melifeather said:Circling back to how the Daynes would feel about Ned...who exactly was left at Starfall after the Rebellion? I suspect that it was only Ashara and the household guards and servants.
The problems with this scenario are Ned Dayne's age, the Dornish culture being more open to an inheriting lady who's just given birth to a bastard if she is indeed the last person in Starfall, and the situation between Ashara and Ned being too rocky at that point for her to be grateful.
On 2/4/2023 at 7:30 PM, Melifeather said:Lady Lenore is more likely Rhaella Targaryen. There isn't a description of what Rhaella looked like, but you have to remember that her grandmother was Bella Blackwood, aka Black Betha due to her black hair and eyes. Who better to care for baby Aegon than his own grandmother? After successive miscarriages, Aegon became suspicious of Rhaella and she spent much of her time with septas. It would be easy for her to assume the identity of a septa since she spent so much time with them.
I'm afraid I have to disagree with Rhaella=Septa Lemore theory. and it has nothing to do with looks which is hardly the thing one can get from a book's pages. I believe in figuring out Lemore's identity , we must pay close attention to Jon Con's chapters. Jon is everything you expect from an arrogant, proud nobleman and a Targaryen loyalist. men like Jon care about the class system A LOT. he cares about hierarchy whether in the Red Keep or on a small boat on the other side of the world. this guy respects Lemore like almost an equal. but it ends there. he doesn't see a reason to listen to Lemore's council after hearing it , despite his fondness and respect for the woman. this is not the treatment Jon Con would give his queen. whether he likes it or not Rhaella Targaryen would be above him , not an equal. he would have to convince her of his plans and wouldn't dismiss her worries in an order. no. Lemore is a Westerosi Lady.
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Yes. it was absolutely worse to be a peasant or even a minor noble in the Pre-Targ era.
In basic terms, if you were a peasant affected by war under Targ rule, you had more options for escape. Say, you were a Riverlander during the Dance, which was the worst war under the Targaryens, you had the chance to run to North (which is not affected by war but awaits winter) or Vale(which is ideal if you can run past the clans) or you could run to certain parts of the Reach, anywhere in Dorne, Stormlands or some parts of Crownlands. Now, imagine you were a Riverlander in Hoar wars and want to run. You must check if Starks and Boltons are not fighting in the North, check the situation in Dornish marches, check if there's some succession war in the Reach, or make sure you can run past the mountain clans... unfortunately due to lack of WiFi, you have to rely on your luck, close your eyes and RUN.
Another development after the Conquest is the fact that you only have to worry about one person going asshole and irresponsible instead of 7, and even then, Dragon Trio made a Small Council to somewhat moderate the King's decisions, something that I doubt was the case with any of the Pre-Targ kingdoms. Sure, the council could be corrupted, but that's progress from nothing at all.
Then there's the excellent deal that kingdoms like the North, Reach, Westerlands, and Riverlands got out of the united kingdom right from the start: aid with the Winter situation, stability, less trouble from Ironborn, and protection from the rest of the realms.
Too many Dornish Characters conform to (In-Universe) Negative Stereotypes
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while I don't agree that Oberyn , Arianne , Doran or some of historical things fall into stereotypes , I largely agree with your post. GRRM so clearly has kinda dropped the ball with the Dornish and it specially stings since Dorne should have so much potential, being so culturally different from the rest of the kingdoms.
I may have said this a thousand times before but I still think the main problem with Dorne is that GRRM hasn't put enough time on it , or that he has tried to achieve too much in such a short page span. I guess he should have trimmed a character or two to flesh out the others making them more complex. like, for the life of me , I can't understand why we should meet three Sand Snakes , Doran , Arianne and Areo Hottah all in one single chapter! he should have have trimmed 2 Sand Snakes , making one representing the group with a bit more depth. like, as vile as it is, going against Tommen is not exactly worse than other things in the series, I mean the kid is technically the head of house Lannister and Martells have some bottled up grievances with house Lannister. but one just cannot get why Nym should tell her uncle of her assassination's plans in the same breath she lets us know who she is and that she was abed with some twins . and what is the deal with Obara?! come on George! cut the crap with Nym and Obara , keep Tyene in for the sake of better understanding of Arianne's plan that no one understands. cut Arys Oakheart and give his chapter to Arianne. also cut Areo Hottah ;it's not like he has used this character's potential as one of the few commoner characters.