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  1. "A possibility arises for a third race to have inhabited the Seven Kingdoms in the Dawn Age, but it is so speculative that it need only be dealt with briefly. Among the ironborn, it is said that the first of the First Men to come to the Iron Isles found the famous Seastone Chair on Old Wyk, but that the isles were uninhabited. If true, the nature and origins of the chair's makers are a mystery. Maester Kirth in his collection of ironborn legends, Songs the Drowned Men Sing, has suggested that the chair was left by visitors from across the Sunset Sea, but there is no evidence for this, only speculation." Riding with the theory that the weirwood species came to Planetos via panspermia (and as such would be implicated in astral bodies crashing into moons and asteroids sending walls of water and breaking arms and such)....the phrase "across the Sunset Sea" could be taken as a winking reference to outer space.
  2. I dunno, even outside of this fictional medieval world, men attracted to men often have relationships with women and sometimes have children before coming out as gay. It would be a duty more than a pleasure in Renly's case, and maybe would require some wine and an active imagination, but it could be done.
  3. Yes, I thought of that too. But what looks like a young Weirwood sprouting from the ground may look very different if the whole body were visible rather than underground. And it might indeed be young as Weirwoods go, but in the early phase of Stage 2 rather than Stage 1 development. I'm not completely wedded to the idea of growth stages. I just don't know how else to explain the moving talking human-faced Weirwood at the Black Gate. My original thought was simply that Weirwoods were created using babies of a certain bloodline, without relating them to the Green Men/Walkers. That would at least explain the Black Gate scene, and it's in line with stuff GRRM has written in past stories, most notably the notion of "final union" in A Song for Lya. But then what's the point of the tall, horned nature god things? Why the stories of Garth impregnating a bunch of women if we already know that humans and CotF can sometimes interbreed to introduce green-blooded children? And as for the icy group, why the tale about a man who gives his seed and soul to an Icy Corpse Queen and then gives his children to the Others? Certainly the whole "may the Others take you" phrase doesn't have to mean they take children to create more of themselves. Maybe they are indeed just serving as a queensguard for whatever is in the Heart of Winter, a Weirwood or something like it. But why are the Others referred as the "brothers" of Gilly's son? I don't really see the functional difference between the CotF and the White Walkers/Green Men, other than the fact that the latter seem to have more literary association with the trees in the text. The Walker-as-Young-Tree idea takes care of all of these issues, not to mention some sort of explanation for the sudden emergence of larger than life figures in the Age of Heroes.
  4. I like that notion. Another metaphor that I think is relevant is chess pieces guarding a king or queen. GRRM used to be a competitive chess player, and chess has deeply informed some of his earlier stories. The most relevant of which is Sandkings, which also has a hive mind species that resembles mobile walkers guarding an immobile queen. Cyvasse obviously has in-game relevance for the game of thrones that humans play, but I think there is a deeper magical dimension to it that will come to the fore in later volumes.
  5. Yeah yeah yeah, it was a few lines. Now redacted. Mea cupla. How bout we talk about the meat of the post?
  6. How are White Walkers made? [GoT intro content of this post redacted due to stupid rules]. Exactly what the Others have been doing with Craster’s infant sons is not yet clear in the books Some of Craster’s daughter-wives do refer to the White Walkers of the wood as the brothers of Gilly’s newborn baby. And TWOIAF mentions that the CotF engaged in child sacrifice. Before we get into this topic, let me first remind you of a big theory I’ve been pushing so far: the red-green-blue color trio imagery that’s peppered throughout the story are hints from GRRM that there are three warring magical bloodlines, all brother or sister lines of the same eldritch species. The sigil of House Massey, the colors of the Trident’s three forks, the three colors of the cyvasse board, and most egregiously, the Muppet names found in House Tully. This red-green-blue imagery is telling us that the Dragons, Weirwoods, and Others are all not just linked, but related to one another by blood, albeit with distinct bloodlines and subtle territory-based variations. And they’re at war with one another. Basically, I think that the Others have their own weirwood things up in the Heart of Winter. And the Weirwoods have their own Walkers: the green men on the Isle of Faces and Garth Greenhand being some examples. As for fire, there’s the God-on-Earth and his more humanoid but still godlike progeny. There are also stories of the Black Goat in the forests of Qohor demanding blood sacrifices. He could be a Black Walker for the Shade trees. And here’s my current tinfoil theory, as far as how Weirwoods and Walkers are grown: Weirwood seeds or shoots can be planted into living babies in order to create walking hybrid creatures. Those walking hybrid creatures are linked to the Weirwood hivemind and act to serve its interests. However, this is just an early stage of development: eventually the walker grows large and heavy, and its limbs grow into tendrils that start to burrow down into the earth. It thus becomes a new Weirwood tree. One reason I think that Weirwoods are actually parasitized/hybrid beings is the humanoid face in the Weirwood at the Black Gate. This was no mere carving! It could move and even talk. It exhibited memory and speech comprehension. This likely was a human, or half-human crossbreed. My guess is that all Weirwoods have such faces, underground, and the carved ones perhaps serve as reminders of the faces below. I think the crucial thing that Weirwoods seek in order to grow and replicate comes naturally to the CotF. Perhaps the same quality that allows the CotF to naturally tap into the Weirwood’s psy frequencies (let’s just call it their psy particles) makes them a valuable resource for Weirwood nutrition and reproduction. And if Weirwoods happened to come to Planetos via panspermia (a plausible mechanic that would explain all of the moon meteor content in the story), perhaps it was that psy particle signal that brought them there in the first place. So Weirwood and CotF lived together in a somewhat symbiotic relationship. The Weirwood helped them amplify and channel their latent psy abilities, control animals, and enact other magical protections. The CotF provided the Weirwoods with host bodies to plant new Weirwoods, and with blood nourishment once in a while. But then humans came, and messed everything up. Until the Pact was formed, that is. It seems apparent that greenseeing among humans somehow followed the peaceful co-existence with the CotF. But how? They didn’t have magical blood, and then they did…suddenly. Obviously, interbreeding with the CotF is the likely answer, and TWOIAF mentions this explicitly. Such interbreeding commenced to introduce the CotF’s psy particles into human bloodlines. This was done to grant godlike powers to humans, but it also meant that humans would be fit to serve as hosts and fodder for the gods. Thus green-blooded hybrid humans were made. Some of these hybrid infants were used for blood sacrifice nourishment; others were used as weir-seed hosts themselves: green men walkers with human blood. And so the Pact gave way to the Age of Heroes, in which some great and fantastical humanoid beings emerged and did some incredible things. As they aged, however, I think the earliest heroes eventually began to change again, they took root and grew into Weirwood trees! Deep in the earth their moving humanoid faces can be seen and heard. Perhaps the one that Bran spoke with was in fact his ancestor, Bran the Builder… Back to Craster’s sons: they all have magical Stark blood that descends from ancient interbreeding with the CotF…but in this case it was CotF who at the time were wedded to colder Weirwoods than the ones we’ve been seeing in the story. Craster's babies were used as living hosts for Weirwood seeds in the blue/ice bloodline, and they grew into hybridized icy weirwood people: the Others. The Others that we see in the story have been created recently, but they share the ancient memories of the Heart of Winter. According to this theory, they would eventually grow into new physical manifestations of that frozen Heart, i.e., into giant tree Weirwood creatures, but I doubt the story itself will witness that. What we could witness, however, is a vision if such a creation, from Bran.
  7. I'm of the mind that the Others are walkers for a weirwood-type creature that is from a different blood line than the ones we've seen in the books so, and the SotE trees represent yet another bloodline. My guess is that all of the red-green-blue color trio imagery that GRRM has thrown at us is a hint at these three warring magical bloodlines of the same eldritch species.
  8. Weirwoods are krakens from outer space. The Black Goat of Qohor was a Black Walker for the Shade of the Evening tree/kraken thing.
  9. I guess I suddenly found it quite striking that we have this series in which seasons are heavily emphasized, and this magical tree features quite prominently in the culture, yet we only get one reference to the weirwood seeds, and it's in Book 5. No lines like "The fallen weirwood seeds popped and squished under their feet and left a crimson trail in the mud." Something doesn't smell right. Or maybe that's the weirwood paste.
  10. I for one think that Jojen has not yet been sacrificed. Bran woke tasting blood from the sacrifice in the past because the weirwood he inhabited had soaked it in, and presumably it also eventually runs through to the seeds as well. But Jojen's pretty much guaranteed to die, probably in the next Bran chapter.
  11. Still, I would like to learn more about these seeds. Where on the weirwood body are they extracted? I'm particularly interested for in-story reasons, as I don't think the weirwoods are actually plants.
  12. Still, I would like to learn more about these seeds. Where on the weirwood body are they extracted? I'm particularly interested for in-story reasons, as I don't think the weirwoods are actually plants.
  13. Leaf and the other CotF bring Bran a paste that they say is made from weirwood seeds. But we never hear about weirwoods bearing fruit (or flowering for that matter), right? So where are these seeds being taken from? Is the paste made from something else, and Leaf is not being honest? Are the seeds found in the leaves, which are crushed up like the Essosi Shade of the Evening trees to make that blue hallucinogenic liquor? Just wondering!
  14. Yes, I like that essay, and others on that website. Also, crowfood's daughter has got some great stuff. I'd love to see what she would think of my ideas, as I built substantially from her Disputed Lands videos.
  15. Welcome to the forum! I like your post, and especially your methodical style of writing. I did notice a huge gap in what you focused on when talking about the origin of magical disruption: the weirwoods! My working theory (inspired in part from various patterns found in GRRM's non-ASOIAF writings) is that there is an alien life form that came to Planetos, via panspermia. The sexual reproduction of the species either requires seed pods that function like meteors, or meteors carrying its seed are pulled via telekinesis. That's a "supernatural" take on the moon meteor theory that blends sci-fi elements in a way that's characteristic of his other works, and presents it from the perspective of a fantasy story (which he's done a few other times). The "species" I mention is really three blood lines of a species that can create walker bodies of varying shapes, perhaps depending on what blood it is mingled with. The weirwoods are one such species. The Green Men may be their original walkers, but they have also roped in the Children of the Forest, and eventually some humans as well. I suspect their is some icy mother brain in the heart of winter, with the Others as her walkers. And perhaps in the Fourteen Flames there is a similar one for the fire blood line. Check out my own topic posts regarding my "trichromatic theory" of magic on Planetos. I would appreciate some feedback to see if I could root out weaknesses in the theory. Though beware: if you don't like spoilers for non-ASOIAF GRRM content, my writing is riddled with them.
  16. I could perhaps see the Faceless Men doggedly pursuing some means to extinguish the dragons and thus rid the world of the monsters that empowered their slavers--only to find themselves giving power to a different kind of slaver, one that enslaves the dead and extinguishes all life from the world. I don't think it will happen, but it has a certain poetry to it. I'm not against it. The Citadel, if there is or was any conspiracy, it's to rid the world of all magic, not just dragons. Their interests are served when the world is predictable. As others have said here, the main critique of the Citadel that we've seen is that the knowledge class has lost touch with information that's vital for the world's survival. They are ignorant and out of touch, not at all invested in the song of ice and fire. Euron, of course.
  17. I think this plot is an example of GRRM challenging his young hero characters as they grow and become more aware of their place in the world in all its complexities. Like Bran with Hodor, I don't think Sansa fully knows what's going on with Sweetrobin, although there is a part of her that seems to know. If/when Sweetrobin dies, maybe that is when she wakes up and starts feeling like she played a part in it, and then backs off from the moral precipice that Littlefinger has slowly been pushing her toward. There are a lot more unknowns in Sansa's chapters, though, so I'm pretty agnostic on where it will go.
  18. I guess I can't "police" what traumatizes people, but I certainly can accuse people of giving into concept creep (flattening and bleeding of distinct concepts) and catastrophizing. In other words, calling the personal discomfort felt upon experiencing some low level of social stigma "trauma." Also, sexism ia a social bias, which can lead to injustice via discrimination, but that's not the same as "evil." That's more conceptual flattening.
  19. I basically agree--and would also add that part of the flatness is due to the Westerosi POVs that color those chapters. But I do think that GRRM could have spent a little more time fleshing out those ideas, at least to hint at something richer beneath the surface. It just comes off as under-baked writing.
  20. Yeah, GRRM tends to give characters he respects in some way a bunch of impossible decisions to explore how they deal with them and their consequences. It's a way to explore the gray areas of morality. With villains like Aerys, they make the worst possible decisions with whatever power they have. Their shade of gray is so dark as to basically be black.
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