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  1. Roose Bolton definitely didn't know or he wouldn't have left her behind at Harrenhal as he planned to do.
  2. Two obvious examples which I think haven't been mentioned yet: Tyrion not getting rid of Littlefinger when he knew that he had framed him and when his father had given him a free hand to deal with all traitors to the Lannisters. Stannis ignoring the huge Tyrell army assembled at Highbridge and assuming it would remain neutral.
  3. Not really. What was explained to her was that Sweetrobin could be given two more doses as long as he wasn't given any more in six months, so as far as Sansa knows he's not currently in danger of suffering long term effects.
  4. She said something in his defense by telling her father how Joffrey started the fight by attacking Mycah. After that it's out of her hands - she can't stop the queen from sending men to hunt after Mycah when even her dather couldn't. And of course, she wasn't to blame for the incident in the first place. It's not her fault Joffrey was a sadistic bully. Which shows Cersei consistently as shortsighted and rash, often to the level of irrationality. There is no ambiguity whatsoever here. I don't understand how one can interpret this scene otherwise. It's unbelivable that you're absolving Cersei when she at the very least sent the men after Mycah, while blaming Sansa against all logic. Except that Mycah was already dead at this point. I'm amazed at how many blame her when the course of events couldn't be any more clear.
  5. Sansa does have such a tendency, but the fact remains that the last time she gave him sweetsleep was before she learned of Littlefinger's plot about her marrying Harrold Hardying. At that time, it would make no sense for Littlefinger to want Sweetrobin dead, since his whole power rested upon being his Lord Protector, so Sansa would have no conceivable reason to believe he was being poisoned. She might be closing her eyes about him being poisoned after that but this isn't the same as poisoning him herself.
  6. First of all, the last time Sansa gave Robert sweetsleep, it was with a maester's permission (A Feast for Crow, chapter 41: Alayne II): Second (and following from the first) she can hardly be part of a plot to poison Robert when she learned of the plot only after administering the sweetsleep - she only learned of Littlefinger's plan after they went down from the Eyrie, where the above conversation happened. Third, Sansa definitely doesn't want Robert to die (The Winds of Winter, sample chapter: Alayne): So it's clear that Sansa isn't participating in any plot to kill Sweetrobin. At most you can accuse her of pretending not to notice others poisoning Sweetrobin, but there is hardly any evidence to reach such a conclusion.
  7. Again, this interpretation is simply not plausible. Even disregarding the fact that Joffrey would be barely younger than Mycah and likely bigger than him, Sandor is smart enough to know that Joffrey is almost certainly the initiator, since he knows well that he's a sadistic bully.
  8. This is literally grasping at straws. Just the last post you were claiming that Mycah was killed because Sansa refused to support Arya's version of events. Now that this has been exposed as the nonsense it is, you're inventing a fantastic version where Sansa should have thought to go to the king (which is not her place to do, since her father is there) to prevent an event she had no way of knowing could come to pass and which she would not have been able to prevent in any case. Why would Robert knowing about Sansa's version of events stop Cersei from sending Sandor and her other guards after Mycah and Arya? Even if Robert believed this version of events, Cersei would always claim that Joffrey said otherwise. Robert would not make the effort to stop them. So why is it so hard to admit that Sansa was innocent here? This obsession with blaming her for events she could not possibly be guilty for is really bizarre to me. Who said Cersei was smart? Why are you omitting the next part? Perhaps because it completely refutes your claim? In the same post you invent a wholly spurious construct to somehow accuse Sansa of being complicit in Mycah's death, you're blatantly misquoting material to whitewash an attempted child murderer, who by his won admission would have tried to murder another child. As I said, unbelievable...
  9. I think we can trust Jaime own assessment of the situation. At that point in his life he was content to be led by Cersei and do . anything for her in the name of loveThe only question is whether he'd only cut off Arya's hand or kill her.
  10. I imagine that if Jon learns about what happened to Viserys before he met with Daenerys, he would be appalled and this would influence their interaction. We already have a preview of Arianne's reaction to the same information. Though Arianne's not close to her brothers, in fact resenting Quentyn, she was still shocked and began to have doubts about Daenerys - despite needing her as an ally. Jon I imagine would react even stronger. But Jon's thinking, like that all of characters, is not objective or based on complete information. So we shouidn't judge characters just on what other characters think of them. For example, we know that Jon is right to be contemptuous of Axell Florent, but this is not because Jon was appaled at his behavior, but because we know that Axell was a power-hungry opportunist.
  11. Not at all. Ned had already revealed to Cersei that he knew about the incest, so she knew that she could not allow him to take over the regency. Ned had already ordered Littlefinger to deliver him the Gold Cloaks, so that Littlefinger betrayed and delivered the Gold Cloaks to Cersei, meaning that she would win any confrontation with Ned. And since Ned could never allow Joffrey to ascend the throne, the confrontation was inevitable. Sansa can't even be blamed for allowing herself to be captured (which later led to Ned's confession and his execution), since if she hadn't gone to Cersei she'd be in the Tower of the Hand and captured there like Jeyne Poole was. It's true that if Sansa hadn't gone to Cersei Arya had a small chance of escaping by boat. Then again, without being forewarned by the attempt to seize her, she might have been captured on returning to the Tower. Betrayal is a conscious act, you can't betray someone accidentally. Sansa had no idea that she could endanger her father, so she's not guilty of betrayal. Since Cersei struck as soon as Robert died (according to Ned the obvious thing to do), Sansa's information was irrelevant in the timeline of events.
  12. It's entirely fitting in Cersei's character. She's extremely vindictive, to the extend of killing a baby because she was Robert's bastard. I don't see why she would be any more merciful towards to a boy who dared to hurt her precious Joffrey.
  13. Of course it's not just Sandor. Cersei is the main culprit, since she ordered his murder whileJoffrey also bears some responsibility since he lied about their encounter and claimed Mycah had attacked him. Of course she ordered the killing. She ordered Jaime to kill or main Arya, she certainly wouldn't leave a common boy unpunished. It's bizarre how some people are willing to twist everything to whitewash their favorites. It's precisely because Sandor knows Joffrey that he would easily guess that Joffrey is lying. Simply put, Sandor doesn't give a damn. He's been ordered to kill, so he kills. This is unbelievable. Have you actually read the chapter in question? Sandor arrived with Mycah's body, blood already dried, without having any idea what had happened at the confrontation at the castle. Nothing, absolutely nothing Sansa did could have saved Mycah. And yet you're claiming Cersei is innocent! The same Cersei, which ordered Arya to be killed (or at least maimed) would leave someone like Mycah alive?
  14. Viserys earned his death in three different ways - by taking out a sword in a sacred place where that is forbidden, by threatening Drogo's wife and by demanding her back (without the unborn child). For each of these, Drogo could have easily killed him on the spot, unless he was particularly merciful (and merciful people don't become Khals). Combined and he'd have to do it just to avoid losing face - no ruler, especially a Dothraki one, could afford to be insulted in such manner in his own hall. So Viserys was completely doomed and Daenerys could do nothing about (especially after she did everything in her power to try to saver him). And not translating Viserys' words wouldn't work - Drogo had other translators, like Jhiqui (Daenerys only offered to translate to save her from Drogo's wrath). Jon's perspective is heavily colored by his circumstances of having five loving siblings. When he thinks of a person sitting by while their brother is burned alive, he imagines himself in the same situation and since he would never stand by and allow his siblings to be murdered in front of him, he can't understand another person doing anything else. I really doubt he would hold the same perspective about Daenerys if he knew how Viserys had treated her. Just how he understood that the best choice for Craster's daughters was to kill him, so would he understand that Daenerys could do nothing about her brother.
  15. Why do you think so? Melisandre's vision of seeing Jon as a man, then a wolf, then a man again implies that he'd return to his body after being resurrected.
  16. While the rest of the post is ridiculous as well, this sentence really stands out in its sheer absurdity. Perhaps Cersei called Sandor on his cell phone and asked him to kill Mycah when she heard Sansa's lie?
  17. It's always amusing when people take so seriously a proposal letter GRRM sent thirty years and later renounced, just because of wishful thinking.
  18. And we have a whole paragraph where she's thinking about how her mother won't approve of her appearance and even tries to comb her hair. It's clear that this is also a significant concern for Arya.
  19. Tycho Nestoris was traveling on an official mission by the Iron Bank, accompanied by the Braavos Navy. No one is going to allow some random girl to travel with them - it's not as if it was a regular passenger ship. Now the Faceless Man could probably have arranged for her to be allowed to got to the Wall, but they don't want that. They only offered her to go to Gulltown, Duskendale or King's Landing, none of which are at all helpful in reaching the North. So it's clear that they were not at all sincere when they told her that she could go home and Arya is not so naive as to believe them. And even if there were ships going to Eastwatch, where would Arya get money to buy passage? She isn't being paid a wage and any work she could have outside of the House of Black and White would be unlikely to provide her with more money than what she needs to avoid starving, certainly not enough to board a ship.
  20. No, I don't realize this because it's clear from the context that Arya is indeed concerned that her mother won't want because of her appearance:
  21. Talk about being wrong! Arya can't return to her family. She only has Jon left and no one is travelling to the Wall any longer. She has no choice but to stay with the Faceless Men. Arya also thought her mother wouldn't want her back because she was dirty and her hair was not brushed, so it's clear that her understanding of what her mother thought of her is somewhat inaccurate, to say the least. The Catelyn Stark that dreamed of strangling Cersei and advised to Robb to torture Theon to death is not going to condemn her daughter of wanting people to kill people. As for her father, his understanding of good parenting means that he won't be willing Arya too harshly for what he himself would do without hesitation, which is part of the traditions and culture of their people and when considering what Arya has went through. Again, like most critics of Arya's actions, you're judging her by modern standards, when you'd never dream of doing so for other characters.
  22. I don't see the connection. Yoren was dead when she created her list.
  23. As a loving father Ned Stark would take into account everything that's befallen Arya and while he wouldn't approve of the way she killed Dareon, he would understand her motivation, especially since he himself would undoubtedly have executed Dareon. Her mother would be horrified, but more of the danger that Arya ran in killing Dareon, while understanding why Arya would want to kill people. Jon Snow would certainly not criticize Arya - he lover her too much for that, plus he would wholeheartedly agree with her that Dareon deserved to die and would understand that when killing him, she was trying to act like a Stark - a motivation he would be wholly sympathetic to. Robb Stark would likely disapprove, but then that doesn't say much - he was not particularly close to Arya and had a far more rigid view of the role of women than Jon, so much of his outlook would be colored by prejudice. This is not even close to being true. Arya's purpose in life was to return to her family. Creating a list of people she wished to kill was a way to deal with her trauma rather than something she actively pursued.
  24. Disobeying orders in wartime has been traditionally punished by death. Especially when the one disobeying is high ranking and is deliberately trying to undermine the authority of his superior officer. Janos Slynt got exactly what he deserved for his attempted mutiny. How is it morally reprehensible to save a young girl from a monster like Ramsay?
  25. No, Nymeria will find Walder's huntsmen and administer the punishment they deserve.
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