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MisbornHeir

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  1. I know Lady Joanna Lannister will resist against the Red Kraken's reaving from the latter half of the dance and throughout Aegon the Younger's regency, but did the Lannisters have a noteworthy navy at onset of the Dance as mentioned in Ep 9/10?
  2. "an eye for an eye and the world goes blind"
  3. That's valid. I can't comment on lingering Trauma left from the fanfic ending of GOT. I had the benefit/loss of watching it well after it was released on my own time. That doesn't mean I have no negative feelings but its not as severe as those who witnessed it in realtime. I personally put it out of my headcanon and making my own internal compendium as the show progresses of what is and what isn't helps a lot.
  4. His symbol is present in addition to Maelor's in the title sequence
  5. Do you dislike its inclusion inherently or how it has been used? Cause it does tie in to the scroll Rhaegar found, which itself had to have been written significantly before his time.
  6. Likely to use Alicent's wishes to negotiate and treat with Rhaenyra's faction to manuever Aegon the Elder as de-facto King and if needed instigate violence from the Blacks/their supporters to force a succession war. He does subscribe to warfare with quills and ravens after all.
  7. Rhaenyra believes that methods brought on with blood will justify the eventual bloodless end (led by her as queen). Alicent has always performed her duty first and foremost. The one time she didn't (or believed it aligned with her personal interests) was when she took Rhaenyra at her word and it cost her father's position. To put her duty prescribed by station first and in turn to her family (as laid out by the seven) is paramount and that includes employing the morality demanded by those allegiances. Namely the morality of the mother, whose mercy she desires to give to Rhaenyra and her family. Political ambitions and Machiavellianism do NOT trump her commitment to her faith/duty.
  8. To add on, the only actions she has taken 'on a whim" have been for the sake of her children/family and overall protecting her family. Otto's earlier commendation for the spirit Alicent has to 'win the ugly game' only bolsters his confidence in the future enactment of his machinations to seat Aegon the Elder as king. He doesn't have reason to believe she would take any action that would interfere with Otto, "Mine own father does not know the language of girls either" (episode 2). As nearsighted Otto's understanding of women (Alicent in particular) in relation to their station and its expected duties, he's neither fool or zealous enough to adapt his plans accordingly instead of reinforcing his own hierarchical values. The Westerosi patriarchy serves Otto well without a doubt, but he is a realist at heart. So pragmatic that he was willing to be devoured by Caraxes to begin a war between Daemon and the crown. And that raw pragmatism is which his ambition is driven upon.
  9. How does everyone think Rhaeny's treatment and subsequent escape would of proceeded if she supported Vaemond in the Driftmark succesion?
  10. Rhaenyra's presence at Rook's Rest and return to Dragonstone without Rhaenys will inflame tensions between her and Corlys even more than it did in Fire and Blood.
  11. No disagreement on the premise and the lack of consistency between fully fledged male and female characters overall. But iirc, Rhaenyra (at least Milly's version) and Alicent have been pretty human to me. A lot more than people like Daemon and Aemond who are creations to their universe.
  12. To be fair, we did see her along with Seasmoke when the Velaryons arrived for Laenor's wedding.
  13. Rationalizing your actions regardless of the inherent sensibility present in order to have allevement of one's conscious. It's something I witness often and especially as of late. Those in positions of power often must employ it to keep their sanity.
  14. Considering all of those factors in any further creation of ASOIAF adopted media, what would the ideal showrunner do in you mind that would balance all those elements in the best way possible?
  15. This has been my immediate thoughts as of late. Munken had the extremely difficult task of recounting the Dance for historical chonricles but had to appease Aegon's conflicting interests: he was a child of the leaders of the Blacks (Rhaenyra & Daemon) but also saw firsthand what the Dance resulted in for his loved ones The remaining Hightowers have interests through their patronage of the citadel and being one remaining Great non-paramount houses. And then there's the general issue of not reigniting tensions aflame between any Green or Black sympathizers that were left over from Cregan's purge. Yes Condal's version of the Dance ultimately stands as its own canonical retelling of the second Dragon war of succession, looking at it through a lense of historical analysis of biases sources used in a modern dramatization helps for both immersion and believability ( as well as accuracy to real life instances of this). It's just a shame that given this comes from a (as far as we know) fictional universe, the few but noteworthy plot contrivances and resulting conundrums we've had could have been avoided. Or at the very least improve on what George orignally did so that it still made enough sense plot progression wise. I'm now of the belief that two seasons for the prologue of the Dance would have done better to pace this out correctly. Understandable that this season had a lot to accomplish if it was to be renewed (considering the end reception of GOT) and for the large part it has done remarkably well considering staggered/isolated plot points and large time skips from the book. And hey, you can always turn the tv off after Aegon gets his hurrah's from the smallfolk and proceed to the next episode upon rewatch.
  16. To add to this, recall how devastating the accusation was in A game of thrones. Ned knew how dangerous it would be.
  17. As long as the king is alive and refuses to entertain such rumours, what could realistically happen? Rhaenyra has enough backers and players who need her name to flip over bastardy. To be fair she already has faced backlash. Albeit not outright due to her status and position but major houses are/have aligned against or and/or with the hightowers. House Strong has been reduced to a scheming clubfooted lickspittle for Queen Alicent and Rhaenyra has shown how adept she is at shortsighted politics (her quips to Lady Redwyne in the Kingswood and various Westerosi lords in Storm's End on her tour, etc). Despite her near intouchable status as the handpicked heir and favourite of the King, she has dug herself in quite a hole and will continue to do so.
  18. As someone recently said, he had the near impossible job of writing history as part of a rather pro-green institution (although informally) and doing so during the reign of Aegon III (being Rhaenyra's son). The fact that Aegon is styled as the third also shows the consensus that Aegon the elder did legitimately rule for a time.
  19. Not to say he didn't have any love for Laenor, but considering the conversation he had with Rhaenys regarding his priorities and ambition it was partly due to the setbacks this does for his poential legacy.
  20. The law wouldn't remove the cultural taboo, however.
  21. Points taken. I suppose my reasoning came from an ideals perspective of the discussion (without acknowledging sufficient realities).
  22. It's inherently bad in regard to the power structure put in place by Aegon. How can a Targaryen be a conqueror if they can't control their own succession/vassals? The social contract you refer to is an invention of our 18th century, not something that existed in medieval times and certainly not Westeros. He shouldn't of let them vote to begin with. He should of made Rhaenys his heir. And 'despotic' is a pretty typical trait for absolute monarchies. Weak kings led to the realm destabilizing and presuming far too much (e.g. Aerys)
  23. The patriarchal culture that has existed thanks to andal culture isn't enough on its own to make war inevitable. The targaryens under Aegon were established as absolute monarchs over the continent. Any involvement from vassals in the affairs of the crown was a granted privilege, not a formalized/owed position. Besides Valyrian culture was much more egalitarian which showed itself with the roles Visenya and Rhaenys played during and after the conquest. The Targaryens faced uprisings over their marriage customs yet the dragon won and the realm submitted. That didn't mean it applied to the rest of the kingdom, rather just the Iron Throne. It could easily be repeated with implementing an absolute-cognatic succession. Jahaery's attempt at conciliating the realm was inherently faulty for this reason. It set a dangerous precedent for the Targaryen's position in the realm and would come to cripple them not just during the dance but especially when the dragons died out. Jahaerys should of conciliated with Alysanne in the beginning over Rhaenys as heir. Viserys had the misfortune of inheriting the fruits his grandsire's errors bore. His own scruples didn't bring upon the Dance alone.
  24. I honestly wonder if it's done on the fly/between takes during production.
  25. Jahaerys sowed the seeds for the westerosi nobles to have a say in the succession matter. Before the first great council it was only ever between the targaryens themselves (and the faith until maegor smothered their concerns). If it wasn't for the council, the nobles under viserys wouldn't feel so emboldened to act and voice opinion on the matter of succession. A formal council legitimizes those opinions into institutionalized precedents.
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