Patrick Tully

5 minutes ago, Hos the Hostage said:

I was thinking the same, after reading about the Aeron chapter. We could have discussed magic and dragons and gods and all, instead we had Elia Sand's amorous activities and the flora of Stormlands (not that the latter is not interesting - the cave part was great)

We did find out that Aegon had taken Storms End, and that did lead to some discussions and speculations, but the cave part wasn't really described much in the initial discussions.

"At one point Elia wanders off into a cave where they find carvings from the children of the forest."

2 minutes ago, Ibbison from Ibben said:

With all due respect, the previous two Aeron chapters were, in the opinion of many, not all that great. This one appears to be much more interesting. Had I been in attendance lo those many years ago, i would have chosen Arianne as well.

Fair enough for the reaction to just the names alone, but after GRRM tried to steer them towards the Aeron chapter...

So, nearly 5 years ago at WorldCon the audience chose wrong, even after GRRM tried to get them to reconsider. Every time someone since someone has suggested they want GRRM to read it, people chime in to say it would be lame. I hope everyone has enjoyed discussing Arrianne II for all this time.

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On 9/7/2011 at 0:01 PM, 'lordMountainGoat said:

Some details about the reading at WorldCon that seem to have been missed off the reports:

George actually gave the audience a choice of chapters, either Aeron Damphair or Arianne. He did try to sell the Damphair chapter by saying there was some "seriously twisted stuff" in there but the majority of the audience went with Arianne instead.

what is that app that u are talking for?

is it in the play store?

The apps is by Random House LLC.

iPhone - George R.R. Martin's World of Ice and Fire

Google - A Game of Thrones Guide

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Theon I Full text available in the full version of the app

Arianne I Full text available in the full version of the app

Arianne II (read, not published)

Barristan I (read, not published) Full text available in the full version of the app & US paperback

Victarion I (read, but transcribed)

Tyrion I (read, not published)

Barristan II (read, not published)

Tyrion II (app) Full text available in the full version of the app - (listed as Tyrion I in the app)

Mercy Current sample chapter on GRRM's website & Full text available in the full version of the app

In Victarions POV we were left outside the cabin and heard Victarion scream when Moqorro "fixed" his arm. When Jorah took Dany inside the tent in AGoT, it said he took her in the tent, but the POV didn't go inside. I think tis is just GRRM letting the magic remain more mysterious because it happens "off-camera."

That's what I thought too but I have a friend who keeps insisting that he was killed with the rest of the hostages that were thrown over the walls.

The only hostage confirmed killed so far was Groleo, which happened before the bodies started being flung over the walls. The response above actually contains a spoiler from TWoW chapters previewed at readings.

The fact that GRRM is frontloading TWOW with both the Battle of Ice and the Battle of Fire, it really has me wondering what the rest of the book is going to entail.

Those were intended to be the climax of ADwD, so he didn't intend to lead TWoW with them. I would hope that means there is plenty of other events that were intended for the next book. He is past the restructuring from removing the 5 year gap and "Mereenese knot" issues, so hopefully things will be more on track with his intended direction from here.

http://sf-fantasy.suvudu.com/2011/07/dance-interview-with-george-r-r-martin-editor-anne-groell.html

While the way the chapter ended outside Victarion's chapter was unusual, Victarion has continued as a POV. I don't think your interpretation/theory is correct.

My one serious complaint with the Syrio scene is actually due to their costuming choices for the Kingsguard. It the show, Trant isn't fully protected from the woooden sword by his armor.

Was ADWD going to be split like ASOS?

That is probably going to depend on your publisher in Croatia. The US and UK hardcovers will be single volume editions.

If it is the same publisher and they split ASoS, I would think it is likely they AdwD. It will be an equal sized or a marginally longer book.

Since you mentioned previous occurrences, maybe you need to add in a bit of the info below. I know we are aware of it, but it will be new information for others.

A Feast for Crows debuted at #1 on NYT bestseller list

Dunk and Egg novellas continued:

The Sworn Sword in Legends II anthology (2003)

The Mystery Knight in Warriors anthology (2010)

later excerpted novellas: (are they worth mentioning?)

Path of the Dragon (some Dany chapters from ASoS)

Arms of the Kraken (some Iron Islands chapters from AFfC)