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    I'm an Administrator on the Game of Thrones Wiki, devoted to the TV show (which interlinks with A Wiki Of Ice and Fire).

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  1. The Dragon Demands

    The ASOIAF wiki thread

    I think I stumbled onto something which I wrote as an update to the "Currency" page: I was re-reading The Rogue Prince and realized it actually did give our first and only example of a numerical money value from the Dance of the Dragons era (or thereabouts). This wasn't in the list before. In the year 120 AC, of the Red Spring, when Laenor Velaryon was killed, his father Corlys Velaryon offered a reward of 10,000 gold dragons for information leading to the capture of his murderer. ….which is curiously small, given that he was arguably the richest living man in Westeros, and Laenor was his only (legitimate...) son and designated heir. Compare to the tournament prizes in 298 AC - 10,000 for the winning archer (albeit an extravagant kingdom-wide royal-level contest), 40,000 to the winner of the joust. …..but this is the opposite of the pattern seen in Dunk & Egg, when money values were HIGHER in spring years. It's not my idea, I read it in a medieval economics paper about Westeros by Mondschein (which was great) regarding Dunk & Egg: compare to the medieval warming and cooling periods (1000 to 1200, then 1300 to 1600's). Every winter/summer cycle in Westeros would follow that pattern in miniature. Basically, every "summer" is an economic "boom" period, every winter an economic "bust" period. Thus the first book of ASOIAF under Robert Baratheon, at the end of summer, is at the tail end of an economic growth boom, while stories set in SPRING would be after an economic bust just ended. Due to scarce goods & products, the numerical value of prices increases in winter...but by spring, so many workers have died that labor is scarce, so wages increase. This makes everything balance out - 3 plus gold dragons is considered a fair price for a horse in the Dunk & Egg era, but 1 gold dragon is considered a fair price by Jaime and Brienne. ….of course, Dunk & Egg is coming off of the First Blackfyre Rebellion not too long before, while The Rogue Prince is coasting along 70 years of economic prosperity and peace in the Targaryen golden age. Which one affects price more? Prolonged peace, or seasonal-influenced economic growth cycles? ...my only tentative theory is that 70 years of Targaryen peace far outweighed seasonal influences on the economy, and thus money values would be LOWER in the lead-up to the Dance compared to the main novels (prices go up in times of scarcity, they go down in times of plenty). All this is tentative. (shrug) We'll have Fire & Blood soon enough...
  2. The Dragon Demands

    FIRE AND BLOOD Volume 1

    @Ran Is it true that you have seen the final manuscript of Fire & Blood, for proofreading? Which is why you can't weigh in on this? ....minor question I gotta know, not an outright answer but just "yes" or "no" response: does Fire & Blood finally reveal what color Vhagar was?
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    FIRE AND BLOOD Volume 1

    hmm......Well what did he mean by "not that much" about pre-Conquest Targaryens? That's kind of vague. I mean, frankly, two full pages instead of the two paragraphs we have now might be nice. On the other hand, Elio himself speculated on pre-Conquest Targaryens in his Fire & Blood video a few months back... dang it, he said that on May the 4th....AFTER I had finished recording the audio of my analysis video, but BEFORE I had finished editing and publishing it. Crud. Which begs the question....if there isn't really a full chapter on the pre-Conquest Targaryens....how the hell did an 160,000 word draft in 2014 get stretched into 640 pages NOW?! EDIT: The questioner on his blog actually asked "are we going to learn anything about the Targaryens prior to the Doom of Valyria", to which he responded "there won't be much on pre-Conquest Targaryens". In context, I still think it possible he mistyped, and meant "not much on pre-DOOM Targaryens", not necessarily ruling out pre-CONQUEST Targaryens.
  4. The Dragon Demands

    Legion (FX's Marvel tv series) [SPOILERS]

    Yeah that's me.
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    FIRE AND BLOOD Volume 1

    1 - ...what "winter armies"? I forgot this. I'm mixing it up with Cregan's Company of the Rose or something... 2 - Well I was just rounding to the nearest whole number 20. 3 - Kind of irrelevant, as I did stress: that's the word count *in 2014*, and he's clearly expanded them since then.
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    FIRE AND BLOOD Volume 1

    Oh, I mean "conflicts". Only the Dance is a big straight-up "war". Even the Conquest has a few, stand-up battles, but a lot of politics. I mean, the Regency also has "fighting" in it, but it's mostly assassinations and intrigue, not full scale wars, and I think it would be a narrative. But I put in the TV show stuff at the end as an afterthought (a 40 minute afterthought after a 1 hour video...) because I see the topics as linked (shrug). I'm nothing if not Thorough. I'm all about Thorough. ....but let's focus on Word Count. That's what I considered the core of it. How long could "Peace of the Dragon" be? By my count, we had 56,000 words unaccounted for. The print World book has a 2,000 word section on the First Dornish War, probably from that. Regency is "almost as long" as the 60,000 word Dance...which at first I thought was 59,000...now probably closer to 50,000. Probably a moot point given how much new material GRRM wrote. It was 160,000 in 2014. Final version is...what, 230 to 270 thousand?
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    FIRE AND BLOOD Volume 1

    Well I look forward to any comments/criticisms - a MONTH of work went into this. ....yes it's been less than a month since the announcement of F&B. I correctly assumed that some sort of announcement was going to occur reasonably soon (hoping for it to be out in time for Xmas 2018) so I started work like 2 weeks BEFORE the announcement.
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    FIRE AND BLOOD Volume 1

    I was annoyed that ALL news sites reported on this great news about Fire & Blood as "GRRM announces Winds of Winter won't be out this year". So I sat down and made a 1 hour 40 minute long analysis/promotional video report: "Everything We Know about Fire & Blood, and the 5 Game of Thrones Prequels" Please watch, @Ran , and if it's worthy, please consider adding to news post.
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    The ASOIAF wiki thread

    Wiki login doesn't seem to be working now.
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    FIRE AND BLOOD Volume 1

    My suspicion is that outright new chapters we're getting - besides the confirmed Jaehaerys I - include: The pre-Conquest Targaryens on Dragonstone during the Century of Blood (with possibly some new details on events in the Free Cities in that time period) Pre-Doom Valyria Elio & Linda had similar guesses in the video about Fire & Blood they made some months ago.
  11. The Dragon Demands

    FIRE AND BLOOD Volume 1

    They get stuff pretty fast, I assumed they wouldn't overlap.
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    FIRE AND BLOOD Volume 1

    I wonder if the "Myrish pirates" who CAPTURED TARTH were just "some pirates who were ethnically Myrish", or a pirate-king of Myr or something.
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    FIRE AND BLOOD Volume 1

    dang. Well, I won't update the soon-to-be-finished video, given that in it I already say "Martin stated it's 989 manuscript pages, we're not sure exactly how many it will be in hardcover, but yeah, "over 600" seems accurate based on prior conversion formulas". I wonder how long it will be until the our friends the Ruskies get their hands on an e-copy...
  14. The Dragon Demands

    Helgeland on his Successor Show

    My personal...suspicion....is that while they technically have 5 "prequel" ideas, some of them aren't meant to go first, but setting up sequels....because each of the five will be relatively short. We know they'll never do another 7 season show again (nor should they). I mean, just looking at the breakdown....Martin said that "The Sons of the Dragon" would be "about 3 books of story" if ever narrativized from its current outline. So that's, like 3 TV seasons, right? Well, maybe the Targaryen Conquest lasts 2 or 3 seasons at most. Thus the combined "Conquest & Rebellion" era would be 6-7 seasons, but technically two shows. Sort of like the British model, where a new "season" is actually a successor-show of sorts to the previous one. ***Big example would be HBO's "Rome", Seasons 1 and 2. While characters from Season 1 do appear in Season 2, young Octavian has to be recast as now 20-something Augustus. In many ways, it's a sequel TV show to Season 1, instead of just "Season 2". So my suspicion is that some of these 5 shows are really sequels: "Conquest/Sons of the Dragon" and "Dance of the Dragons/The Regency", presented as a matched set.
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    Helgeland on his Successor Show

    Not much of substance.
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