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  1. ....you want Daemon Blackfyre to survive to be leading rebellions at age 70? And how the heck would the Second Blackfyre Rebellion plot even work out with the original Daemon still alive? That's silly.
  2. My attempt to map out the Dunk & Egg stories, as Martin has said that 3 are finished out of a planned 12: 1 - The Hedge Knight - Ashford Tourney Between the first and second novellas, Dunk & Egg travel to Dorne, take up service with the mad Lady Vaith, sail down the Greenblood with the Orphans, take a ship at Planky Town, fight off some sea raiders, then arrive at Oldtown to meet Egg's brother Maester Aemon. Meanwhile, plague devastates all of Westros but Dorne and the Vale (which closed their mountainous borders in time), thus Dunk & Egg were spared. All of this happens off-screen but is ripe for inclusion. 2 - The Sworn Sword - aftermath of the plague, now a severe drought. Conflict at Standfast. Lady Rohanne. Mostly "setup" as this is the first time the Blackfyre Rebellion is explained. 3 - The Mystery Knight - the "Second Blackfyre Rebellion" As yet unpublished: 4 - The She-Wolves of Winterfell - Dunk & Egg travel to Winterfell to take up service to fight off ironborn raids, but there are 5 different Stark widows at the castle due to lords dying in rapid succession, each jockeying for power. 5 - The Village Hero - Dunk & Egg wander into the Blackwood-Bracken feud. Probably setting up Egg's future wife and queen, Betha Blackwood. Martin has - oddly - said that after Winds of Winter is done, he'll release EITHER She-Wolves or the Village Hero, but not both (he hasn't decided yet). They're both mostly complete. I put She-wolves first just because I still hope we get it (not just for Winterfell, but because it's where they were initially heading in Mystery Knight). Other titles for future instalments include: -The Sellsword -The Champion -The Kingsguard -The Lord Commander So there are SEVEN later Dunk & Egg stories that Martin won't get to "until after the main ASOIAF series is finished". From The World of Ice & Fire sourcebook, we can glean some of the major events in their later lives: Third Backfyre Rebellion Peake Uprising - Egg's father King Maekar dies, Egg succeeds him after a Great Council Fourth Blackfyre Rebellion Broken Marriage Alliances: Jenny of Oldstones, revolt by Lyonel Baratheon, duel of LC Duncan vs the Laughing Storm "The Rat, the Hawk, and the Pig" The Tragedy of Summerhall (death of D&E, birth of Rhaegar) That's only SIX major events, however. They'd probably fit in mention of background stuff like Tytos Lannister gradually losing control of the Westerlands and King Egg having to send royal armies in three times to restore order - though the actual Reyne Rebellion happens after the War of the Ninepenny Kings (Fifth Blackfyre Rebellion) and thus after Dunk and Egg die. Who the heck are "The Rat, the Hawk, and the Pig"? More curiously, how could these bandits have been active for 30 years? If they both caused Aelora's suicide, and also led a revolt that Egg's son Daeron died crushing? As for the marriage alliance scheme, the plan was Prince Duncan to Lyonel Baratheon's daughter, Jaehaerys II to Celia Tully, Princess Shaera to Luthor Tyrell, and Daeron to Olenna Redwyne. Duncan abdicated to marry a commoner (the mysterious Jenny of Oldstones); brief Baratheon uprising settled when Egg's youngest daughter Rhaelle married Lyonel's son Ormund; Jaehaerys II eloped with his own sister Shaera; and by that point, Daeron didn't want to marry Olenna and given that his older two brothers got out of arranged marriages they let him too, and Olenna married Luthor Tyrell. ....I'm still not sure. I can only think of six out of seven major events. Maybe if Jenny of Oldstones and Jaehaerys/Shaera are two separate stories.
  3. I think they would do Arlan and the Vulture King as flashbacks, given that the "cold open" on Dunk burying him is so iconic. Burying him right after Arlan knighted him.
  4. Getting back on topic, I wouldn't be opposed to them ..."rounding out" Dunk & Egg things that happened "off screen", which Martin never intended to give a novella treatment. Case in point, that between the first and second novella, they sort of ride out the plague because they were in Dorne at the time, serving the mad Lady Vaith, and then visited young Master Aemon in Oldtown. I mean "a plague on the scale of the Black Death" is something they could devote another TV movie to, so they'd have four instead of three ready to go
  5. My attempt at a news video on this: Please feel free to ruthlessly point out any errors in it.
  6. I still wonder if it's more than just these two pitches, given that Entertainment Weekly is comparing it to the burst of 5 pitches we got in Summer 2018
  7. @Ran Will you make a video reaction to this news? I'm stunned by the sudden and senseless death of Breeze.
  8. I agree with Entertainment Weekly's suspicion: is this HBO having another pitch competition for "Phase 3"? I can see them just doing the first three Dunk & Egg shows as made for TV movies, then going ON BREAK for a couple of years, waiting for the later ones, when the characters have aged so much they'd need to be recast anyway. Robert's Rebellion only surprises me in that Martin was so dead set against it. I think it could work...as a one-shot TV miniseries. There isn't more than one year's worth of material in it. If this is indeed part of a "Phase 3" pitch-fest to respond to Star Wars, I hope this means the Valyria prequel gets reconsidered. ....and what the heck was the fifth pitch? The fourth was Targaryen Conquest.
  9. After re-reading FAB: "Heirs of the Dragon" (Rogue Prince era) yesterday, I dashed off a new theory page to address the rival historical sources for the deaths of Laenor Velaryon and Harwin Strong: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Death_of_Laenor_Velaryon_and_Harwin_Strong/Theories
  10. Long story short I'm admitting failure: attempts to rationally figure out the three minor claims have ended in frustration. On the plus side this did encourage me to do the thorough re-read of "Heirs of the Dragon" which I've been putting off for weeks.
  11. Okay I moved the page back to "Great Council of 101 AC" as per request ...and I rewrote Theory page: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Great_Council_of_101_AC/Theories I'm not as confident about it anymore, and this is at the top of the list of "Things we would ask GRRM about given the chance" during the leadup to House of the Dragon Season 1. I used to be a strong proponent of Rhaella but I just plain did not think this through: Martin probably hadn't even thought of her future life when he wrote the Rogue Prince. Rhaenyra would have been folded in to Viserys's claim (thinking of succession as...extending downstream until you hit a male heir). So IF - big IF - he even intended specific characters for the missing three candidates, they might have just been "Jaehaerys's remaining daughter and 2 remaining grandchildren" - Saera, Daemon, and Aemma. Based purely on the fact that the council considered Archmaester Vaegon a claimant despite him never pressing it. Now I'm not really sure what to do.
  12. I think it's a good idea for the main article to leave the last 3 candidates as "unknown" - instead I did the formal thing by splitting it off into its own theory page. This is my first stab at writing it: https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Great_Council_of_Harrenhal/Theories I don't know if there will be more than one theory about the council - on other stuff like "Why did the Starks support Laenor?"
  13. I finally got time to do a thorough re-read of FaB: Heirs of the Dragon: The key point for me is that it states that Archmaester Vaegon was among the 14 claims that the council considered - even though, as a matter of public knowledge, Vaegon apparently never actually "pressed" his claim. Indeed, they considered Vaegon among the final five candidates - it's not small mattr that he was Jaehaerys's son and could potentially just renounce his vows. But there's no mention that Vaegon ever publicly pushed his claim. Leading me to think the council considered all potential candidates. I think it should be called "Great Council of Harrenhal" to catch more results from a general audience. That's my library school training kicking in: "Access Points" - WE know what to look for, but casual readers googling terms don't even know what they're looking for.
  14. Those were already there I didn't add those, though I agree with including them.
  15. @Ran It was right to remove the speculation that the 14th "Candidate" at the Great Council of Harrenhal was quite probably Rhaella Targaryen. But where do you stand on this?
  16. Due to its importance in the narrative, I split off "Great Council of Harrenhal" into its own page - it was inconvenient to deal with it in a long list of all Great Councils. In many ways, it was THE Great Council (well, that and Aegon V's): https://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Great_Council_of_Harrenhal An added reason was that the House of the Dragon casting announcement for Viserys I mentioned the "Great Council of Harrenhal" by name, so we'll probably see this in an upcoming TV show. Anticipating that noobs will be googling for this, "Great Council of Harrenhal" is likely to catch more search results (as an "access point") than "Great Council of 101 AC". I also updated the text a little, and rearranged the list to put Viserys and Laenor at the top of the table grid (I don't know why Daemon was at the top before it seemed random). ....also I made a note that it's entirely possible that the unnamed fourtheenth candidate may have been Rhaella (she was probably still alive....though the fact that she was a Septa long past child bearing years would also explain why she gets zero mention, she'd have been rejected out of hand).
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