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  1. At that point they have no Lannister hostages, that's why winning in the field is the only hope. Once they've got the Kingslayer that's not necessary anymore to get the girls back. "We went to war when Lannister armies were ravaging the Riverlands, and Ned was a prisoner, falsely accused of treason. We fought to defend ourselves, and to win my lord's freedom. Well, the one is done, and the other forever beyond our reach."
  2. That's the show. There are various characters in the books who say that there's no way Jaime Lannister is worth 2 girls, but none of them are Cat. Cat is the one who qustions this line of thinking by telling Robb "Girls are not important enough, are they ?" right after he tells her that he would have exchanged Jaime for Ned, but that he won't do it for the girls.
  3. Tywin has considered Jaime dead from the moment he was captured, which is why he names Tyrion as Hand of the King in his place. "You have given him up for lost, he thought. You bloody bastard, you think Jaime's good as dead so I'm all you have left." Jaime's capture did nothing to prevent Joffrey from beating Sansa, Cersei from forcing her into a marriage or Tywin from planning the Red Wedding. He's important to them as a person but not as a political asset, unlike Sansa. I don't think he should have killed her, but she gave him his blessing to punish her in any way he'd see fit and he didn't do anything because he was trying to cover his major blunder with Jeyne Westerling. Um, I think that's from the show, not the books. In the books she asks Robb to trade for the girls several times : "If I must trade their four Lannisters for their two Starks, I will call that a bargain and thank the gods" in AGoT and "An offer had to be made - though a wiser man might have offered sweeter terms", "Cersei Lannister will never consent to trade your sisters for a pair of cousins. It's her brother she'll want, as you know full well","Girls are not important enough, are they ?" in ACoK.
  4. 1. It's one guy. Jaime's great but he's not God. He can't single-handedly turn around the course of the war. Sansa on the other hand is the heir to Winterfell and the North when Catelyn frees Jaime. 2. She told Robb she would accept any punishment (even death if I'm not mistaken). Since he had just screwed up royally himself by breaking his word to the Freys he chose not to do anything about it. He's also the one who chose to behead Lord Karstark. He could have taken him prisoner instead. 3. Brienne does not serve Robb. She serves Catelyn. She never took part in any of Robb's campaigns, and would have likely remained at Cat's side during the battles anyway. 4. It would never have been a problem if Robb had been smart enough to make the exchange when he was still winning. A slim chance is better than no chance at all.
  5. Except that she clearly mentions it to Robert as well. Something like "after our first boy died". I know Robert isn't the brightest bulb in the shed but I think even he'd notice if Cersei was suddenly inventing babies that never existed. Tyrion is the one who responded to Robb's peace terms and ordered that Ned's bones be returned to the North. He's the one who sent the Lannister guard to "escort" Cleos Frey back to Riverrun. That seems a good indication that he's got some weight in the decision-making process of KL. In any case what's the alternative ? Let Jaime rot in his cell forever instead of trying to use him to make a terrible situation less so ? Great plan.
  6. Cat wouldn't have needed to send Jaime with a guard of 2 if Robb had had the sense to make the exchange in the first place.
  7. You forget that the Lannisters had a bunch of hostages of their own, namely Sansa and Arya Stark (at least that's what they keep telling everyone). With both daughters the Lannisters could kill one in retaliation for Jaime and still have their claim on WF through the other. Since Robb and Cat think the Lannisters have both daughters killing Jaime would have been completely stupid. And that's why he's such a useless hostage. He can't be exchanged, he can't be killed, he can't be freed. Basically you can do nothing with him except put him in a cell and let him rot until the end of the war or until the Lannisters lose their own hostages. Exchanging Jaime was the smart thing to do, but since the "legal" way of doing it was blocked to Cat the only recourse she had was to go behind everyone's back and do it herself.
  8. As a hostage Jaime was completely useless. He wasn't a bargaining chip because there was no one Robb found important enough to exchange with him (never mind the fact that Sansa had a claim to Winterfell that could be used against the Starks, while Jaime had no claim to speak of, being part of the KG) and he wasn't a deterrent to Lord Tywin who went on with the war as if Jaime'd been killed instead (unlike Lord Paxter Redwyne who stayed out of the war at the beginning because his sons were hostages). The idiot in this situation is Robb, who caved in to his bannermen's expectations, and refused to make a valuable exchange because "girls aren't important enough". Sansa became even more important after Bran and Rickon had been captured. Robb recognizes it himself later on in the books.
  9. Meh. 6/10. I was mostly bored the whole way through. Pros : - Theon's scenes are good as always. - I'm glad to finally see more of Varys. I find him so much more interesting than LF. - Jaime/Brienne. - Cersei/Tyrion. - Seeing Sam again. He's the reason I found Jon's early scenes watchable. Cons : - I'm wondering how they're gonna sell Arya becoming an assassin. Her little stint in Harrenhal was pretty tame in the end. She didn't even kill the guard herself. - Jon bores me as always. - Robb and Talisa. If I wanted cheesy hollywood romance I wouldn't be watching GoT. - Robb and Cat. - No Sansa. - No one knows Bran and Rickon are dead.
  10. Then why would he only assign one guard, if the Kingslayer is such a great prize ? Also welcome to the boards ! (You can use the Multiquote function at the bottom right of a post if you want to answer to several posts at the same time).
  11. In short : you respect minorities, as long as they don't annoy you. It's their fault they're oppressed because they don't focus their attention where you think they should. And if oppression manifests itself in minor ways they shouldn't talk about it because there are poor Muslim Women being Oppressed as we speak. And you find my existence funny. Good for you. Unfortunately for me I don't find sexism funny. I'm gonna stop here. No need to bother everyone else with a meaningless back-and-forth.
  12. Nuts of some kind. Rickon's been munching on them for a while, so it's supposed to be a sign that he was at the mill not too long ago. I think Tywin just doesn't want to take chances. If someone's out to get his lieutenant, they should probably be out to get him as well.
  13. According to the Twitter recap on winteriscoming.net there are in fact some non-readers who think Bran and Rickon really died.
  14. I thought we were done with each other but apparently you have a bone to pick with me. 1. Way to miss the point. Yeah insults are meant to offend, that's their purpose, we're clear on that. The point is that men should not be insulted when compared to women, since there's nothing wrong with being a woman. 2. It's not just English. Most of the worst French insults translate to bitch/whore/motherfucker. Mandarin also has quite a few choice insults revolving around mothers and vaginas. Sometimes both at the same time. 3. Women can be sexist too. I thought you knew that already since you've accused me of being sexist several times before. 4. I never said I wanted to ban anything. 5. Nice to know minorities should get a stick out of their collective asses. 6. And calm down a bit maybe ? At this point I feel like my existence offends you.
  15. I think the problem is that most people have a pretty extreme definition of misogyny, one that makes them believe that the only people who can ever be misogynistic are raging lunatics who go around screaming "I HATE WOMEN" all the time. Most of the time it's much more subtle than that, and a lot of people end up with internalized sexism due to exposure to patriarchal societies. Even common insults are usually sexist. Like insulting a man by calling him a "pussy", a "sissy", a "wuss", "son of a bitch/whore", all the "your mama" jokes and arguably the worst insult in the English language : "cunt". Yeah, why is it offensive to be compared to a woman exactly ? That line on its own is pretty harmless, but it's still sexist. If I went around saying "mexicans are dumb haha" I'm pretty sure most people would rightly call it racist.
  16. This conversation is going nowhere. Apparently you still think finding fault with the way they've chosen to adapt Catelyn's story = thinking D&D are consciously changing things around because they hate all women. Maybe you've missed the parts where I said I found them to be doing a good job with Brienne, Arya and Melisandre, to name a few ? And so far you've established that I'm insulting towards Michelle Fairley, insulting towards the screenwriters, that I lack reading comprehension, that I'm ignoring half your points (I'm pretty sure I've managed to touch them all in my 1,500 word wall-text up there, except maybe the one where you said that having Jaime kill the young cousin who idolized him is supposed to make him sympathetic), that I whine a lot about missing badass scenes (there needs to be a counterpoint to your constant "she stood up to Karstark" spiel) and that I'm generally too biased to make any sense. But I think my favourite part is when you accused me of sexism in the very first line of your very first post against me, and somehow manage to get offended on the screenwriters' behalf when I have the gall to find their adaptation of a fictional female character problematic. And I'm understanding less and less what your reverse sexism argument is all about. Basically you're saying that it's nonsensical to find a female character's portrayal sexist because a male character's portrayal is obviously not ? I think I'm missing something here. But interesting choice of words in that hypothetical example of yours by the way : Jon has been hypothetically discriminated against because his adaptation has turned him into a "pussy", which is a word with overwhelming female connotations. So sexism against men = making them more woman-like. Okay then.
  17. At this point you've created this giant straw-man argument around the idea that I find D&D evil misogynists who spend their time plotting the best way to demean all women, all the time. I don't know what D&D were thinking when they changed Cat's narrative, but I remember at least one preview for season 2 where they said that the women of the series are the strong ones. Most likely they believe it too. Well, I don't really give a shit what their intentions were. Intent doesn't matter, only the end result does. Despite what you think, I don't believe I can see inside the writers' minds. Even if I could, it wouldn't change my opinion, because I'm basing my argument on the final product and not the original concept. They could have started with the best intentions in the world, or the worst, the result would be the same, and I'd still find their portrayal problematic for a number of reasons. In the same way I don't really care what your opinion on Cat is either, though for what it's worth I did think you liked the character. But that's besides the point. Despite what you've said I'm still getting the idea that you find a lot of Book Cat's actions pretty stupid, since you've been repeating several times per post how she's so much smarter in the show (not mentioning Theon is smarter than doing so, not harping Robb about Jeyne is smarter than saying something, releasing Jaime out of immediate necessity is smarter than choosing to do so on her own etc.). So basically, you find a woman to be smarter when she shuts up rather than when she speaks up. That's sexism with a velvet glove right there (see how I'm not attacking you ?). “That makes her appear much smarter than when she stays of her own will and then fucks up.” When you say that she fucks up, it seems a pretty clear indication to me that you thought she acted stupidly. As for the scene with Karstark, no she never had a confrontation with Karstark with weapons drawn, but she had an earlier scene much like it, except better, that was not included in the show. When Renly is slain by the shadow, a couple of guards and knights of the Rainbow Guard pour inside the tent, and while Brienne is busy fighting 2 or 3 men at once Catelyn literally puts herself between her and Ser Robar Royce, catches his by the arm before he can draw his sword and not only does she convince him not to attack Brienne, she even manages to have him fight the other guards outside. Then she saves the unarmoured Brienne from the steel-clad Ser Emmon Cuy by hitting him on the head with an iron brazier. And unlike what's in the show, she did it while alone in the middle of an enemy camp and not surrounded by her husband and son's men, i.e. in much greater personal danger. So excuse me if for not finding it spectacular when they deign to include toned down versions of her canon “badass” scenes every once in a while. It's not making the female characters more sympathetic that I find problematic, it's the elements they've chosen to alter in the story lines that make it so. As I've already shown, pretty much every reason people have for hating Cat has been altered : she's not as mean to Jon, she's not as opinionated as in the books, she wants to go to Winterfell to be with Bran and Rickon, she doesn't betray Robb etc. All of that basically boils down to : she should be a better mother, i.e. not being as abrasive towards her teenage “step-son”, not choosing to stay away from her youngest children, complying to her eldest son's wishes. The changes they've made in Cersei's character also revolve around the idea of motherhood and family. Making her more sympathetic involves the following : she had unrequited feelings for her husband until a year into their marriage, she never aborted a baby but instead had a miscarriage/stillbirth, she never orders the murder of her husband's bastards etc. So apparently D&D think the viewers would have more sympathy for a woman whose feelings for her husband are not reciprocated rather than for a woman forced into marrying a man she hates. Or that a woman who willingly performs an abortion on an unwanted (forced) pregnancy isn't worthy of sympathy. On the whole I find Cat and Cersei to be the two characters they have tried to make the most sympathetic, and it just so happens that these two occupy the Mother role in the story, albeit on different sides. With Shae they seem to be going with the “whore with a heart of gold” archetype, and Margaery's portrayal is not really relevant because there is nothing to really compare her to in the books, given how little she's present in Clash. But the whole “sympathy” thing isn't my primary gripe with Cat's portrayal. She should be the agent of her own story, the one calling the shots on her own life. Instead she submits to her teenage son's will (yes, Richard Madden is 25-ish and looks it, but Robb's still supposed to only be 18). In the books, it is her choice to stay at her son's side rather than go home to Winterfell, and to make that possible she orders Rodrik to go back in her place to act as castellan and military advisor. Catelyn doesn't want to go pay homage to Renly, but still does it of her own volition because Robb offers sending the Greatjon as an envoy instead. Hell, during their first reunion Robb asks her if she's going to send him back to Winterfell like the boy he is. But in the show he is ordering her around from the start, preventing her from going where she wants, sending Rodrik to Winterfell in her place and making her ride to the Stormlands the next day. Nothing is her choice any more, she's become the sidekick to Robb's story when it should be the reverse. You think that Robb ordering her to stay is good because it shows that he values her advice, while in my opinion it's bad because it strips her of her agency and makes her the passenger of her own life. I just find it infinitely more interesting to read about a woman who makes her own decisions, even if those decisions aren't necessarily the right ones, than about a woman who does well in everything because she is constantly told to do by the men in her life. Book Cat is the former, Show Cat is the latter. In short, I think D&D have simply missed the point of the character and her role in the story. Change in itself doesn't bother me as long as the thematic of a character's arc is kept mostly intact. In my opinion that's what they did with Catelyn. To give an example with another character, I find it as bad as if they'd taken out the entire identity-crisis theme out of Theon's narrative and only played the “what a backstabbing douchebag” angle (to be clear : I don't think they did that, they've done a perfect job with Theon so far IMO). And finally, reverse sexism. Lol. Yeah, good luck with that argument.
  18. Well most of Sansa's scenes are taken straight for the books : in this episode it was almost word-for-word, except when they had Shae threaten a maid with a butter knife (that's what it looked like to me). But I didn't like her portrayal in season 1 all that much, where she seemed overly bitchy to me. Basically I think they do well with the women who fight (Arya, Ygritte, Brienne) or the women who scheme (Margaery, Melisandre) but they have a pretty big weakness when it comes to more traditionally feminine characters like Catelyn and Sansa. Arya's comment of "most girls are dumb" followed by Tywin laughing and agreeing with her seems to support that. It's a common way to mash up two words in fandoms.
  19. First things first, I have always refrained from throwing the word "sexism" around when discussing the show's portrayal of Cat. This was actually the first instance, and you'll notice I only said it twice (one paraphrasing you), and only because you're the one who cried sexism when I voiced my dislike of Cat's portrayal on the show. There are 11 instances of the word in your post, plus your original attack. You should probably tone it down a bit. As it stands, every one of your arguments against me relies on my one implication that I find the writers "more sexist than me", which makes your entire post rather strawman-y. I never said that every change on its own was "sexist", I'm only saying that, viewed as a whole, the final picture isn't very pretty. While I do not particularly find Show!Cat a "sexist stereotype" (your words here, not mine) on her own, she definitely suffers from the comparison with Book!Cat. If I'd watched the show first I don't think I would have been particularly put off by anything in her story line, it's seeing what they've chosen to change from her narrative that makes me very dubious as to the writers' intentions. As for your claim that removing Cat's advice was done because viewers would not remember Theon's situation, I think it's pretty insulting to their intelligence that you think it likely they'd forget a character who has been in 9 out of 10 episodes in the first season. Especially since he reminds them at least once per scene that he is not a Stark, only their ward/hostage. Besides, it's not like they know who Balon Greyjoy is at that point. Also choosing to focus on a 3-word sentence I put in parentheses instead of focusing on the rest of my argument was not the greatest idea. My point was that Catelyn was able to successfully predict Theon's betrayal when no one else was, showing that she was an adequate judge of character and had a good mind for politics. It would have added about 10 seconds to the scene. And the reason I dislike this change so much is that all the other advice she gives in the books has been stripped as well. She does not plead for peace when Robb is named King in the North, she does not show to him that paying Renly homage is important, she does not warn him against Theon. As for all the characters becoming more sympathetic... Let's compare Jaime and Cersei's portrayal in this episode, since they are after all supposed to be the same person in two bodies. Jaime finds himself in a cell with his (distant) cousin, Alton Lannister, probably half his age and an old squire of his. They fondly reminisce about that time when they were squires, and Jaime tells him that he did very well in his role. Then he bashes his head him with his fists out of self-preservation, and strangles a young guard with his chains. He spends the rest of the episode trying to piss off anyone who ever talks to him. Nothing of the sort happened in the books, except the killing a guard part (but he did with a sword, and not his bare hands). Compare that to Cersei's actions, who imparts some womanly wisdom to Sansa. She reminisces about Jaime and Robert aloud. Then she has a small one-on-one with Tyrion where she muses about her past sins and Joffrey's morality. Nothing of the sort happened in the books. It's also important to note that Cersei had a stillborn baby with Robert instead of a voluntary abortion, that she used to have feelings for him for about a year while she should have started hating his guts on the night of their wedding and never ordered the murder of babies and small children like she did in the books. It doesn't take a genius to see that Cersei has been softened quite a bit, or made "more sympathetic" as the writers would say. A similar thing seems to be happening to Shae, who is mostly acting out of self-interest in the books, but is in the show ready to incur the queen's heart to protect the tearful teenager. Gods forbid a woman be unlikable, amirite ? Being sexist isn't always restricted to thinking all women are inferior to men you know. Fandom usually has no problem with characters like Arya, Asha and Brienne, because they occupy traditionally male roles, aka the role of a fighter. It's especially easy to see when comparing people's reaction to Arya and Sansa. The former is a cocky, plucky tomboy who talks back to armoured men twice her size, wants to become a fighter instead of a lady, and eventually joins a group of super-powered assassins, the latter is traditionally feminine, crushes on boys, likes pretty dresses and romantic songs about true love. Unsurprisingly, Arya is ranked at #3 on the Tower of the Hand's Top 30 Characters while Sansa is at #18, but also makes an appearance on the most hated list and is routinely berated for being passive, useless or simply a bitch. And once again your last paragraph confuses me. I really don't see why you think my entire post was based on what I perceived your opinion to be. It doesn't really matter if you like her or not, which is why I never brought up the subject. Similarly, I haven't really talked about my feelings towards the character, though I think it shows pretty obviously. Since all you've managed to get out of my post is that I think "the screenwriters are sexist hur durr durr" let me explain more clearly my problem with Cat's adaptation. For one thing, I absolutely do not understand why the writers would feel the need to make her character more sympathetic to the viewers. If someone is incapable of feeling sympathy for a woman who loses her husband, her two sons and two daughters and witnesses the murder of her last remaining child before going mad and having her throat slit, I would suggest that the problem lies with them and not the character. By changing the elements of her story line that most of her detractors agreed on, they are validating their complaints and making it the correct interpretation. When they change her active decision to remain with Robb instead of going with her younger sons and have her repeat ad nauseam that her place is in Winterfell they are agreeing with it and saying that a good mother's place is at home with the children and not in a military camp. When they change her motivations for freeing Jaime, turning it from her betraying Robb to her preventing Karstark's betrayal they are implying that she was wrong to "disobey" her teenage son's wishes. Then they are getting rid of every piece of advice she ever had, stripping the character of an important layer of characterization. Catelyn was raised as the heir to Riverrun until Edmure's birth, and was the Lady of Winterfell for 15 years. As a result she has developed a good mind for politics, and is capable of giving great advice in times of war. Advising to keep Theon close was a good idea, making peace with the Lannisters would have been a god idea, bending the knee to Renly would have been a good idea etc. But everyone around her ignores her because she is 1) a woman, aka the gentle sex who knows nothing of war and 2) a middle-aged (by Westeros standards) mother, and kings don't "hide behind their mother's skirts". Despite all that hostility she still chooses to hang in there and speak her damn mind, and even though she does miss her younger sons (she never expresses the desire to go home to Robb though) she believes she can help her eldest in a meaningful way and fights to remain at his side. In the end all she gets in thanks is a forced vacation to Seaguard with Lord Mallister so Robb can keep playing the king. The show makes her much more passive in that way, because she doesn't even give any political/military advice anymore and because she is shown to be staying against her will. Book!Cat wanted to stay with Robb, which is why she sent Ser Rodrik back to Winterfell and named him castellan, Show!Cat is forced to stay with Robb, and it is therefore him who orders Ser Rodrik back to Winterfell. Maybe you think it's only a minor decision, but with all the other changes it becomes a trend rather than an isolated element. So basically, D&D have taken out this whole dimension to her story line where she has to fight the gross misogyny around her to make herself heard. tl;dr : Show!Cat isn't so bad on her own, but the comparison to Book!Cat makes her look passive, indecisive and unoriginal, thus making me question D&D's ability to portray female characters that do not fall into the Tomboy or Ice Queen tropes.
  20. Haha good one. I'm the sexist one because I think Cat shouldn't be saying how much she misses her babies once per episode and because I want her decisions to remain hers instead of being given to any random character. I haven't mentioned her confrontation with Karstark. In the books she's the one who suggests sending an envoy. In the show she is told what to do by her teenage son. In the books she chooses to remain at Robb's side because she recognizes that advising Robb is more useful than watching over Bran and Rickon (who are already looked after by an entire castle of people they've known all their lives). In the show she stays at Robb's side because Robb won't allow her to go to Winterfell. I quote : Cat : "It's time for me to go home. I haven't seen Bran and Rickon in months" Robb : "You can't go to Winterfell" Cat : "Beg your pardon ?" Robb : "I sent Rodrik to watch over the boys. Because tomorrow you'll ride south to the Stormlands." One of the few things they kept from the books. In the books there is no impending death threat that pushed her into action. She receives the news of her sons' death and starts plotting Jaime's release, sending him wine to make him chattier for example, and going to speak with him when everyone in the castle is busy celebrating Edmure's victory at the Fords. In the show it's a spur-of-the-moment decision brought on by Karstark's imminent murder of Jaime. Read the books again, because that's exactly what she does in there. Robb tells her of his plan to send an envoy to the Iron Islands, she tells him that she does not trust Balon Greyjoy because he is not trustworthy. Then she tells him that if he must send someone he should at least send anyone other than Theon. In the show they kept the first part (word-for-word I think) but cut the latter part, which is kind of the most important, aka that she's rightly doubting Theon's loyalty. In the books he's not flirting in front of her so I'm not sure how you expect her to remind him of his responsibilities when he's hundreds of miles away. And her reaction on the show was pretty tame, especially when right before her responsibility speech she was smiling up at him with a conspiratorial look. If you're implying that she's dumb in the books I would suggest that you re-evaluate your opinion of her in the books, because she is anything but. I have said nothing against Michelle Fairley, whom I find to be very talented. I only wish she had a better script to work with. I don't see what that has got to do with anything. It's like saying that hanging around Brienne would make Cat taller. I think Brienne's portrayal on the show is quite good so far, but that doesn't impact on Cat's portrayal at all. Honestly I think they have butchered the character on the show. In an effort to pander to the haters, they have taken anything remotely controversial, i.e. interesting, about the character, and turned her into a great big blob of nothing. If you've ever taken part in a Cat argument on the forums before, you'll probably have noticed that people usually dislike or hate her for the same reasons : The "It should have been you" line she tells Jon when he tries to say goodbye to Bran. Changed to the much tamer "I want you to leave". Advising Ned to go South, which some people think somehow caused his death. In the show she only ever asks him to stay. Arresting Tyrion and "single-handedly starting the war of the five kings". It remains untouched, mostly because it's a pivotal plot-point. Not going home to Winterfell like a good mother. In the show she stays at Robb's side because he tells her to, and keeps complaining that her place is in Winterfell and not in Robb's camp. Freeing Jaime and betraying Robb. Now they're making her look like she's preventing Karstark's treason rather than committing her own. So out of the 5 main reasons people usually have for hating Cat (and make no mistake, Cat is probably the most-reviled POV character in the series besides Cersei), they have changed 4. The worse part is that it validates all the criticism laid out against her, while most of it is completely ridiculous and unfounded. Not only that, they have also given most of her decisions or ideas to other people : paying homage to Renly becomes Robb's idea, freeing Jaime is done out of Littlefinger's influence and Karstark's threats, sneaking out of Renly's camp becomes Brienne's idea etc. And instead of having her kill a man during the attack on the Vale she cowers in a corner for the entire scene. I would suggest that the writers are much more sexist than me here. /Rant over.
  21. Actually there's no need for speculation because I just remembered that Sansa's age is given right in the first episode of the series. Cersei asks her how old she is and Sansa answers that she's 13. Which means that she is now 14 and that Arya was probably 11 but now 12.
  22. At the beginning of the first book Sansa is still 11. When Robert tells Ned he wants Joffrey and Sansa to marry he responds that : "Sansa is only eleven." Arya is 9 years old, Bran 7 and Rickon 3. I'm pretty sure Arya is supposed to be 11-12 rather than 13-14 in the show, making Sansa 13-14. Bran is confirmed as 10 and Rickon at 6. The Game of Thrones wiki lists Sansa as 14 right now. Robb was 14 in the first book and 15 when he became King in the North.
  23. There is a separate list for Lead Actor and Supporting Actor but since Game of Thrones doesn't really have a Lead anymore all the nominees are in the Supporting Actor category. Women have their own category. Emilia Clarke and Lena Headey are representing GoT.
  24. No unfortunately he's not. Peter Dinklage and Kit Harrington are the nominees for the Emmys this year. Maybe Kit steps up during the later episodes but so far I'm not impressed at all.
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