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  1. Faint

    Season 8 Predictions?

    We actually have some textual support for such an eventuality (i.e., the House of Undying). Child of three and all that. If anyone was going to have triplets, she would be the likely suspect.
  2. Faint

    Season 8 Predictions?

    In all seriousness, I do wonder how many people will find out. Right now we are at Sam, Gilly and Bran. Jon, obviously, will be informed and from what we have been told by the people involved in the production, it looks like Daenerys will know as well. Does it go any farther than that? If I had to take a guess, I would say no. Everything we know about Jon's character is an argument against the news spreading, much as how he wants as few people as possible to know about the resurrection.
  3. That we know of, Edric and Serena Stark, as well as Jonnel and Sansa Stark. However, the Stark family is thousands and thousands of years old and we only know their very recent family tree.
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    Rant and Rave without Repercussions [S7 Leaks Edition]

    I guess I should be thankful I thought the show was mediocre from the beginning and never had any great expectations whatsoever.
  5. Faint

    Rant and Rave without Repercussions [S7 Leaks Edition]

    I disagree with this view if only because he has been forthcoming with the fact that he has always known the endings to the major characters (i.e., Jon, Daenerys, Tyrion, Arya, Bran and Sansa) and, as evidenced by the last two seasons of the show, it looks like he did not give the Benioff and Weiss much besides those endings, excepting major plot beats. It would be like Martin telling Benioff and Weiss that the Patriots beat the Falcons in the Super Bowl after staging a huge comeback, then describing the five biggest plays, but nothing more. Benioff and Weiss would then have to invent the rest of the second half from their own imagination. I think the outline was very basic for the most part, excepting the end points and, perhaps, the story of Jon and Daenerys, since they are so central to the whole narrative.
  6. Good point, although they probably ended up overcompensating on the inbred front by marrying into the Targaryen family, thereby bringing their genetics into the fold.
  7. That's true actually, now that you mention it. The Tyrells have many more houses to appease than the other great houses. They might actually be the least inbred of the lot.
  8. I actually think some of the other great houses might practice an even more extreme form of consanguinity, specifically the Lannisters and, to a lesser extent, the Starks and Tullys. The fact that those three houses have a particular look associated with their members is evidence enough that there is not much diversity in their lines. I think the practice applies to the entire aristocracy of Westeros though. As an example, I would be shocked if the Greyjoy family tree is not filled with a series of Harlaws, Sunderlys and Stonetrees.
  9. Faint

    Season 8 Predictions?

    That's the one I am not sure Benioff and Weiss will have the courage to carry out. In Martin's story, however, there are always consequences. One cannot simply leave the Faceless Men.
  10. Faint

    Season 8 Predictions?

    I forgot about the Clegane brothers. That was telegraphed as well. So make that four: Daenerys is pregnant and gives birth; Jaime kills Cersei; the Faceless Men kill Arya; and Clegane v. Clegane. Also, now that I think about it, we are pretty much guaranteed that Daenerys beats the Others because she is going to be alive nine months after where we are in the story right now.
  11. I remain surprised that there are readers arguing that the great houses of Westeros operate differently in their marriage practices than the real life houses on which they are based but here we are. I repeat my view that the evidence we have is indicative of consanguinity being standard practice among the aristocracy in Westeros. For example, I think members of House Tyrell have been marrying members of the same handful of families for hundreds of years (i.e., Hightower, Redwyne, Fossoway, etc.) I think this is fairly typical and that the Martells, Lannisters, Greyjoys, Tullys, Baratheons, Starks and Arryns have done the same. Nevertheless, there seems to be several lines of arguments that are getting conflated in this thread and the issues are starting to get confused. One questions is whether a relationship between an aunt and nephew within the story would be an issue because of how closely related they are. Another question is whether we, the readers, should have an issue with the relationship. I think these two questions are not interrelated but that seems to be the inclination of those arguing here. Personally, I do not get that viewpoint. Even if the characters within the story had no issue with such a relationship, I think it is a perfectly valid opinion for a reader to find such a relationship distasteful. The opposite being true as well. In any case, my own view is that I do not have a problem with the relationship, largely because Martin has taken decided steps to defray the emotional baggage one would usually have with such a relationship (i.e., there are no genetic consequences associated with incest in Martin's story and Daenerys and Jon have never had a familial relationship). As for how the characters in the story will view it, my thoughts are that I find it difficult to believe that many will even know about it. I truly think that Jon will not share the information with very many people, largely because he has no interest in being king or anything else associated with what his true parentage might bring. For example, I doubt that Sana and Arya will ever find out. So, really, my own take is that the only people we will have to react to the news in a meaningful way will be Jon and Daenerys, which itself will be complicated by the fact that she will likely be pregnant with their child by the time they both find out.
  12. Faint

    Rant and Rave without Repercussions [S7 Leaks Edition]

    I am still trying to gather what is relevant concerning the identity of who blacked out the outline.
  13. Faint

    Rant and Rave without Repercussions [S7 Leaks Edition]

    I see little mystery relating to this issue. It is obvious that the redacted portions have material from parts of the story that remain unpublished.
  14. Faint

    Rant and Rave without Repercussions [S7 Leaks Edition]

    Not sure what to make of David Benioff. On one hand, I think most of what he has written is terrible but he did write the 25th Hour, which is a wonderful film and screenplay. I think a huge problem is that most Hollywood writers simply do not take fantasy seriously. I am not sure who would have been ideal for this project. As far as I can tell, the only person who fits the bill is Martin himself.
  15. Although there is no way to verify the answer to how frequent these pairings happen among the aristocracy of Westeros, largely because we only have extensive family trees for two such families, I think the evidence that we do have leans heavily against your suppositions here. It is clear from Martin's books that, excepting the Targaryens, the aristocrats of Westeros marry in much the same fashion as the aristocrats of Europe married up until the 20th century. Even when they do not marry within the same house, members of such houses almost always marry among a handful of other houses, generation after generation, century after century. That being the case, marriages between cousins looks to be quite prevalent and marriages between uncles and nieces are probably not particularly extraordinary.
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