Mr Fixit

D&D do check this forum

Once upon a time, yeah. Nowadays, unlikely.

And even if they do, what would D&D hope to get out of that endeavour except to read posts by people who wish plague on both their houses? And an especially virulent strain of ebola as well, if and when applicable.

It's becoming generic Hollywood fantasy.

Indeed? What is generic Hollywood fantasy exactly?

the books are the "bible".

Nah. They are Quran with some Book of Mormon: An Account Written by the Hand of Mormon upon Plates Taken from the Plates of Nephi liberally sprinkled on top. I also heard there are some sutras in there, but I can't really vouch for that last piece of info.

You just highlighted my point.

the deviations in S4 are exactly like Khan and Darness.

Same names, some same story elements and plot points, but ultimately a different message or outcome. A fanfic, not really an adaptation.

Come on, man, I'm talking to you in good faith. No reason for this.

My entire previous post was about how STID and WoK didn't have common plot points and story elements. Someone who's read the books but hasn't seen the show will be able to guess almost all the major beats and plot points of Season 4. Okay, no Tysha, Craster's, Yara, etc., but still. Someone who's watched WOK won't have a clue about any single thing happening in STID.

Let's stop here. I have no further interest in this topic.

You really don't see the similarities?

They are basically the same. Kinda-same endgame, kinda-same actions, kinda-same dialogue. Stuff happens to different people or from different people, different stuff happens that seems the same, endgames are different, but still seem the same.

It's actually really a perfect comparison.

No, I don't see the similarities.. WoK and STID have absolutely nothing in common except little bits here and there and of course the name of the antagonist. The plot is completely different, and I really mean competely. Name me one plot point that is covered in both movies except the silly "sacrifice" at the end. Characters are in utterly different stages of their lives and/or mental places where their motives and characterisations are concerned.

Wrath of Khan is a movie about age finally catching up to Kirk and company; they aren't the dashing heroes of yesteryear anymore, able to find a way out of any bad situation. His best friend, not some redshirt loser, has to die to save the ship. Kobayashi Maru no-win scenarios indeed do happen in real life and Kirk simply wasn't ready for them. This was an occasion where he couldn't cheat death. His roguish womanising is also shown as having real consequences - he got a son he doesn't know what to do with.

Wrath of Khan is a total opposite of Into Darkness on nearly every front. The former is a movie about aging and coming to terms with your life and your limitations. The latter... I don't know what it stands for. It desperately wants to say something, true, and it wants to be relevant and topical, but it pays only lip service to these notions, all the while wrapped up in Abrams' glossy, lens-flarey package.

I think the comparison of Khan and Darkness in relation to GOT S3 & 4 and ASOS is pretty fitting.

I can't agree with that assessment. For all the deviations, GoT still hits all the major, and many minor, beats of the books. Into Darkness and Wrath of Khan have absolutely nothing in common except the most superficial of homages: Khan himself (though he's nothing like Montalban's version) and... nothing else really. Maybe the inversion of sacrifices to save the Enterprise? A sequence so bad and completely undone 10 minutes later by Khan's magical blood.

Admittedly, I'm pretty picky about what I watch, but that's probably the worst television scene I've seen in years...I mean, did you actually need to link to a video of somebody *ss-raping George Orwell's corpse while trying to suck some life back into his d*ck?

Is there a point to this verbosity of yours? I'd say it's severely misplaced and, dare I say, wasted.

If we take the Star Trek reference here: Into Darkness can hardly be called an adaptation of Wrath of Khan. It has certain plot points that are the same, and made a terrific story out of it, but it is more or less a horrible adaptation. (Even if it is a great film, but the show didn't look great recently)

Into Darkness was inspired in part by Wrath of Khan, but it was a very weak movie. It is essentially one giant chain of loosely linked setpieces that are supposed to look "cool" with half-baked allegories and shallow moralising sprinkled all over it (drones! extrajudicial killings! security vs freedom!) because Trek has to be topical, I guess. I truly thought it was an audio-visual nightmare of the highest order.

As for GoT, of course it's an adaptation, and a pretty faithful one at that.

Still, off topic! Stardestroyer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>enterprise.

Somehow I knew you'd say that. :fencing:

I don't get it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moX3z2RJAV8

A grumpy Drogon in Ep 1 and a human killing Drogon in Ep 10 do not support the claim they will be used as a device to explain the character arc Dany is going through.

Why do you hate goats so much? What have they ever done to you? ^_^

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6tKZ-cg4RI

And a cardboard saucer with two pencil engines and colourful buttons and beep boo beep sounds against a metal monster in the shape of a triangle with thousands of cannons and lasers, hangars full of Tie Fighters and Bombers, tractor beams and Piett as commander? please.

The Enterprise has no chance against the full power of the Galactic Empire. The Enterprise would fit in it's main hangar after all. And the Star Destroyers have no canyon where they could shoot a torpedo in it to destroy it.

I mean are you kidding me? Who could even ask this?

Besides, if it came to boarding, the crew of the Enterprise wears ballet uniforms in different colours. The Imperial Forces wear pure white armor and helmets, have blasters and thermal detonators and a chance of Darth Vader with his frickin Lightsaber.

Spock would be outwitted by any protocol droid.

Vulcans..tsk..he may have been born on Vulcan, but Darth Vader was born inside a volcano on a volcano planet.

And if it came to escape...hahaha..not that they would have to use their tractor beams, the Star Destroyer would simply be faster than them.

Pffft. You clearly see five lights where there are only four. :idea:

Tyrion knew that his father goes everyday at 11pm to the last privy in the corridor of the western wing of the Red Keep, obviously.

I mean, who would have a privy next to his personal chambers. :lol:

That was the stupidest part of it. Have Tyrion walk along this long corridor to find him on the last toilet.

Let me get this straight. The stupidest part of the whole thing is the placement of the privy in relation to the bedroom? Did I understand you correctly?

I asked this already, but maybe you could answer me: do you think the Enterprise could beat a Star Destroyer in a fair fight?

Why do we have to assume things? Why can't the show clearly explain them? If we want to criticize something we can only work with what we are given. The facts. And it's a fact that it was never explained how Tyrion can navigate through the secret dungeons. I think that it's a perfectly valid criticism, even though it can easily be ignored.

Of course, if the audience wants everything spelled out for them, I guess. Why exactly wouldn't Tyrion know about these passageways?

1. He was Hand for, what, 6-9 months with his "base of operations" in the Tower of the Hand. Maybe he spent his free time roaming around Arya-style :cool4:

Varys did show him that map. Tyrion, smart guy that he is, would probably remember some of the more "interesting" passageways, and those under his home at the time would definitely fit the bill.

I mean, why are we even debating this stuff? It's so inconsequential and easily and logically explainable that I don't know what you guys get from all this. If you hate it, you hate it, great for you, don't stoop to these silly nitpicks .

Sure, it is a fine pairing.

But when it comes at the cost of so much other character development there is a point. Show's loss.

I see your point, but I don't subscribe to that particular theory. Books are huge. Every single thing the show adds on its own can be thought of as taking the time away from something in the book. You could always say: "Yeah, that scene was pretty good and all, but had they omitted it, they could've included this bit or that bit."

It can be a relevant critique, of course, but I don't think one should argue that way in general. I for one believe those Missandei - Grey Worm scenes (and let's not blow this out of proportion; they were very few) were nicely handled and really spoke to some universal truths that ASoIaF is exploring. I thought it was beautiful to see two former slaves, one of whom isn't even capable of sexual relations, developing the most basic of human bonds: the need to love and be loved, to belong, to have a life beyond your profession, to just take a breath and look around and try to re-invent yourself if only a little bit. It's a worthy message and a worthy way to spend several minutes of your 10-hours-long season.

If others don't see it that way, I'm sorry. But those scenes were most definitely not a waste.

I still don't believe Tywin meant to have Tyrion killed though. A last minute pardon and taking the black was still on the table.

I guess we'll never know.

And how did Tyrion know where to find his father?

As someone already said, that's the definition of nitpicking. Remember that Varys showed him the map of all the underground passageways back in "Blackwater". It's perfectly possible he remembered it there. Also, Tyrion had been Hand of the King for quite a while; his chambers were in the Tower of the Hand. I don't think it's a stretch to assume he knew his way around.

How do you know that the Missandei/Greyworm thing doesn't have some important implication down the road? In the show, it's very well done and tasteful. it's also a very valid point to bring up- the Unsullied may be castrated and they may be warriors, but they are also humans. And up until recently, they haven't been treated as such.

This so much. People moaning about this great pairing are completely the point. Their loss.

To name just one example from Episode 10:

What made Tyrion go to the Tower of the Hand to confront his father?

You really can't tell? If your father, after hating you your entire life, finally decided to sentence you to death, I repeat, if your father sentenced you to die for no reason whatsoever, you wouldn't want to, hell, you wouldn't need to face him and simply ask him: "Why? What have I ever done to you to deserve this treatment?"

You're really saying this? Really? Well then, more power to you, I guess.

"Blade Runner" and "The Princess Bride" are iconic movies, yet they are not good adaptations of the source material.

Blade Runner, which is one of my favourite movies, bears very little resemblance to Dick's Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

So yeah, if that's fanfiction, I don't really care.

Just to add fuel to it:

"They have a choice. They can live in [our] new world, or they can die in their old one" -DD

We can't say there was no foreshadowing.

:cheers:

For example, a beetle Jaime/Tyrion dialogue was invented, badly written and pointless.

I can only imagine the fawning of book fans over Martin's supreme and sublime existentialist tour de force regarding beetles and the unforgivable sin of omission of said scene from the show if the situation was reversed. :devil:

His father didn't condemn anyone.

His father intended to spare him from the beginning.

Tyrion condemned himself to death in a fair trial by combat.

Should Tywin just say "Fuck it, you are still my son and I let you live, even if all agreed on accepting the verdict of the trial by combat"

Come on man, that's not a good argument. Tywin went along with the kangaroo court because he wanted to get rid of Tyrion one way or another. If my father hated me my whole life and then arranged for a mock trial that would end either in my death or exile to a Siberian gulag, I'd want to have a few words with him too. Preferably with a loaded gun.

Tyrion didn't have a reason to risk his freedom and seek out Tywin

That's awfully reductivist. Of course he had a reason to confront him. Tywin is his father, the man who condemned him to death for no reason whatsoever, who hated him his whole damn life. Tyrion most certainly doesn't need additional motivation to settle the score with Tywin.

The day siege has yet to happen, Stannis is next week.

But what about Marshall's comments on "three simultaneous battles"?