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  1. Armand Gargalen

    Night King appreciation thread

    So truuuue But, OTOH, only the Night King´s Army and some wildlings have not forgotten the art of scouting.
  2. Armand Gargalen

    Night King appreciation thread

    Yes, but you are not considering Westeros main advantages: 1. Most Westerosi heroes don plot armor. This a superior version of Valyrian armor, which allow the wearer to deflect giant spears, float, be invisible to enemies or summon magical help, among many other feats. 2. Westeros is led by the awesome cliche couple Kit&Emilia. With millions of devoted fans ready to switch the TV off if they died, they are really hard to kill. So our Beloved Leader is doomed in the show. Thankfully, the show is just a nightmare He had before the real story is told by the books.
  3. Armand Gargalen

    Can we talk about Jon?

    It is indeed a matter of opinion whether he deserted or not when he decided to take Winterfell. As I have already said in this thread, both opinions have their merit. But the point is that a lot of people in the Watch thought him a deserter, and it is highly unlikely that, if he is resurrected (and this is still an if for me) he will be admitted back in the Watch. So, the way I see it, at the end of ADWD Jon is not in the Watch any more, so the character can not do what he did in the show.
  4. Armand Gargalen

    Can we talk about Jon?

    GRRM can no longer do that in the books. Jon already deserted the Watch in the books, before he died. So he can not leave it again. It won´t happen.
  5. Armand Gargalen

    What is the worst small council you can come up with?

    Court jester: Stannis Baratheon
  6. Armand Gargalen

    What is the worst small council you can come up with?

    This is more show than books, but.. Court eunuch: Poddrick
  7. Armand Gargalen

    What is the worst small council you can come up with?

    Master of Whisperers: Ned Stark
  8. Armand Gargalen

    Night King appreciation thread

    Thirty minutes of awesomeness
  9. Armand Gargalen

    Night King appreciation thread

    I expect the ice never to break under they skates
  10. Armand Gargalen

    Can we talk about Jon?

    Those grey areas are one of the reasons ASOIAF is such a great piece of literature. At that is why I don´t like the way the show has handled the whole issue. By sending the Pink Letter after Jon is already out of the NW, the showrunners basically dismissed the potential debate, considering that, at least for certain people, the mutineers rightfully killed a NW deserter, not their Lord Commander. They try to avoid grey areas whenever some characters, mainly Jon, are involved, while portraying a clear cut black and white contrast (mutineers=bigots, Jon=misunderstood visionary leader).
  11. Armand Gargalen

    Can we talk about Jon?

    I am happy we are on agreement about this. At the end of the day, my "he broke his vows" opinion is not as strong as my "somebody should question whether he broke his vows" one
  12. Armand Gargalen

    Can we talk about Jon?

    What could make me angry? In my opinion Jon deserted the Watch BEFORE he died in the books. So if he is not part of the NW when/if he is resurrected, it won´t be because of the wording, but because he chose to. Whether that is good or bad, is a matter of personal opinion, one I am personally on the fence about.
  13. Armand Gargalen

    Can we talk about Jon?

    I will agree to disagree about whether Jon broke his vows. It is acceptable for people to have different opinions on a legal issue. What is puzzling, and makes for bad writing is that nobody, ever, expressed an opinion similar to mine. It is like the showrunners agreed with yours and never let the debate open.
  14. Armand Gargalen

    Can we talk about Jon?

    The fact some other members of the Watch misbehaved does not excuse him. There are still good, committed guys in the Watch, including Ed Tollett. It is even worse, he did not leave the Watch when he died. He had the cheek to appoint a successor AFTER HE HAD DIED, when he was not technically LC anymore. Killing Quorin was not breaking the vows, he was following a direct command. Having sex was Ygritte was breaking the vows both in wording and spirit; it has been established, though, than having sex is rarely persecuted, because the command understand their men "have needs". And despite this, he still had to pay for it, when his brothers call him put for being a oath breaker and a wildling sympathizer. Jon was not aware the Warden of the North wanted his head when he left the Watch. What is actually another mistake form the showrunners. Jon receiving the Pink Letter after his death is one more attempt at whitewashing Jon´s desertion. In the books, he is not murdered for letting the wildlings through the Wall, but for deserting. His duty was not gather an army to attack Winterfell, that does not help to defeat the NK at all. If he was so sure Ramsei would never be convinced to help (and I can not still understand why he is worse than Cersei in this area), he could have done that "tour of the North" to recruit Northern Lords to fight with the Watch, not against Ramsei, who, according to his recently discovered mantra is on his side, "because he is breathing". A possibility, but it is hardly a excuse for him starting a war to divide the North when he should have been trying to unify it.
  15. Armand Gargalen

    Can we talk about Jon?

    I think you are misunderstanding this completely. Jon is a fictional character, so it is quite pointless to hate or defend him. What we can do, and some are trying to do here, are two things: 1. Analyzing the character actions. From this point of view, some people think what Jon did constitutes oath breaking.We are judging the action, not the character. And most importantly, we are trying to analyze what this action means for the character development, which leads us directly to point 2. 2. Analyzing how the character is portrayed by the authors. From this point of view, some people think the showrunners made really bad decisions that diluted a character that was fairly complex and conflicted in the books. I will go with another yet example of how the showrunners are completely destroying any complexity the original character had. Does nobody think it is a tad hypocritical of Jon to go all around Westeros asking people to put their wars in hold because of the Army of the Dead threat when last season he left the Watch and gathered an army to attack the Boltons to save his brother and take his family castle back? Why did not go on a wight hunt to prove the Boltons and the Northern Lords that the threat is real and asked for a truce until the Night King is defeated? He was as aware back then as he is now of the threat. Ramsey being a crazy sociopath is barely a excuse, because Cersei is not so much better than Ramsei was. Do not get me wrong, I do not have any problem with a character being hypocritical, if it makes for a good story. But it is quite puzzling how nobody in the whole show calls Jon out for this. Instead, everyone from humble Davos (who was "done with kings") to bitchy queen Cersei, keeps remarking how honest and brave and committed he is. Just because the showrunners do not want us to think of Jon as a grey character, but a proper hero we should always root for, And that is bad storytelling and actually setting the fantasy genre back several decades.
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