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Over 480 votes in, and it's averaging 8.25. Removing the top and bottom 5% yields an 8.36. Median score remains 8, increasing its margin a bit since I last posted a summary.

245 votes in, the episode is rating an average of 8.29. Removing the top and bottom 5% to normalize, it hits 8.39. Median vote is presently 8, but it's neck and neck with 9.

The ice river clans are said to be cannibals. But no, the Thenns aren't. They basically just squished them and the savage cannibal clans together.

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Have at it!

Have at it!

Have at it!

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More the latter. It's maintained and edited by the community.

Yeah, not the most accurate depiction. The hair is all wrong, too. I understand the desire to have some sort of image, but something completely wrong doesn't make sense. Any depiction of Alleras needs to have the brown skin (light brown to be more exact, per GRRM) and the tight cap of curly hair.

Indeed. I think it's 3 or 5 posts. Basically a way to weed out spammers.

Ah, well. I admit that I'm not too concerned about the old posts, just glad it's not a problem affecting people now. That said, I will look into whether there's any fix for it.

Since I rarely use emojis, can someone explain in full the problem?

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I have finally gotten around to some interwiki work, so now the Persian wiki at westeros.ir is supported (using the prefix fa, for Farsi, as is Wikipedia standard). If I've forgotten any other interwiki requests, please post them here.

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According to the forum, this episode is just a bit better than season 2 as a whole -- 7.95 average rating for season 2, presently an 8.09 rating for season 3. Season 1 had an average rating of 8.5 With 354 votes in, this episode is rating 7.18, the second lowest of the season, and third lowest of the series. It's also the lowest-rated finale episode.

You know, Stannis was going to personally execute Davos before he read the letter to him. That's from the book. That said, yeah, his, "I've already made my decision" was... kind of an odd way to characterize him as someone who's very unimaginative and unwilling to change his mind on something. This was at best a 7 for me -- some really forced exposition, some very odd characterization choices (seeing Theon's manhood in a box sure seemed to change Yara's opinion of him massively; maybe it really is as big as everyone claims :P), and Yunkai was confusingly lacking at least a scene to better explain what was going on. Plus, the bane of the show, trying to service every single story line at the end. Why? Wrap some up in 8 -- even in 7 -- and give the story room to breath. We don't need to see characters at least every other episode. Sometimes we can go longer with more. Also I think the whole Ramsay reveal was .... underwhelming at best. I mean, "Oh, yeah, that's pretty treasonous of them! Torturing Theon, yeah, no wonder we had to wait all season to find out who he is!" You'd have to remember way back to the start of the season to recall that Roose's huge treason was... not telling the truth to Robb regarding Theon's whereabouts. If only we had known, we might have realized he was a traitor, instead of just... I don't know... torturing the hell out of Theon because that's his view of justice and he knew Robb wouldn't agree. Or something. Yeah, I think they made a miscalculation on the value of that "reveal".

What did you think?

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Khal Pono, I said "usually" what works. Given that about 90% of the story and the characters is from the books, it's not a surprise that 90% of what works is also from the books. But there are things they add that work well -- Joyeuse as Catelyn's victim was smart, Theon in that candle-lit room on Pyke, Irri and Rakharo's arguments, Ned spotting Arya and directing Yoren's gaze to her -- that one praises. But they are relatively few and far between, since again, 90% of what's on the screen is from the novels. One need not say, "Hey, the story is good." It's a given. That's the source material, it's being adapted because it's good. So how well do they do it? And where do they deviate, and why, and how well does that work? That's the way I view it, of course. There are many who choose to simply put the books aside and simply watch it as a show. That's their right.

How often can you repeat "Excellent production values, good actors, great plot"? They are default positions. Episode-by-episode, analysis would naturally instead focus on the things that stand out in the depiction, and particularly the things that don't work. Why those rather than the things that do? Well, because it's an adaptation, usually "what works" is stuff that we're already familiar with: story and character and plot points from the novels. Saying "the Red Wedding is great" is something we've all heard for for over a decade. Saying "the adaptation did not establish the same atmosphere as the novel" is something we could not say before yesterday.

I've tried to find that in the episode, rewatching several times, but near as I can tell, every glimpse of her up to the music features her smiling or laughing or generally being pretty cheerful. As is everyone else. It's not a bad wedding party. Talisa makes a point of it.