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  1. So... because we haven't SEEN it, it cannot have happened? I'm sorry, FF, but the 'ostrich defense' doesn't work. Mel could easily be an unperson. I've yet to hear how Coldhands doesn't count. You're doing what you always do: just claim that things 'don't fit' without ever making an actual argument, because you start out by deciding x is true and refuse to deviate. In this case you've decided Brienne is an unperson and so anyone else who might fit your 'three dead people' clause doesn't count because Brienne has to be one of them. Coldhands is a perfect fit to Martin's words, especially if it turns out that he's Benjen Stark. Of course he's not a R'hllor style unperson, but Martin did not specify the 'kiss of fire' resurrection, and whatever Coldhands is, he's not a normal wight.
  2. You forget Coldhands. GRRM's comments about the word Brienne screamed and what else he said seems to suggest she's still alive, so the third person you're looking for would be Coldhands.
  3. iamthedave

    The future of Jaime and Brienne?

    This could certainly happen.
  4. iamthedave

    The future of Jaime and Brienne?

    As hilarious as it would be if Jaime were involved, the time period makes it impossible. He'll be nowhere near King's Landing when the decision is made. Most likely it will be a Tyrell, as this will further divide the Lannister/Tyrell alliance as Varys predicted. Lancel would be fitting, mind.
  5. iamthedave

    The future of Jaime and Brienne?

    Merely offering a suggestion so you can avoid disappointment. Duel-icious fun is on the horizon, don't ever doubt it.
  6. iamthedave

    The future of Jaime and Brienne?

    I suggest you stop reading the novels then, because I guarantee there'll be more of them before the end of the tale. In fact at least one is guaranteed, and maybe two: Robert Strong murdering someone to defend Cersei's honour, and whoever defends Margaery's honour. I don't think either of those are going to happen between pages.
  7. iamthedave

    The future of Jaime and Brienne?

    Because Martin likes his duels. Count up how often he's resolved major conflicts with them, compared to other forms of resolution. If it happens I think it'll be due to Thoros of Myr playing the religion card. Duels seem to be pretty holy to the Rh'llorites, and a lot of the BWB have converted. Really it comes down to figuring out the most dramatic way to solve the problem, because that'll make the best writing, and a duel is certainly the most obvious one, plus it would pay off the lengthy time showing us Jaime practising and failing with his left hand.
  8. iamthedave

    The future of Jaime and Brienne?

    The thing is that - as many people have pointed out - Brienne's entire POV accomplishes nothing in Feast. She bumbles around doing nothing of note until she lucks into a little relevant information. It seems quite feasible to me that her only purpose is in relation to Jaime and she'll be axed once she's fulfilled her purpose in Jaime's character arc.
  9. iamthedave

    The future of Jaime and Brienne?

    /stabs prophecies Really hate the increased prophecy focus in this series. Anyway, personal gripe aside you're quite correct. Oh one more /stabs Melissandre. Can't stand that character. I doubt GRRM will kill both of them, but I'll be surprised if they both get out of this alive. I can't be the only Brienne fan who has noticed that ASOIF-era GRRM apparently hates honour and that honourable people exist to be **** upon from a great height, so her chances of anything approaching a happy ending are the chances of Arya learning how to be a proper lady. I think a noble self-sacrifice is the best to be expected, and her sacrificing herself so Jaime can live would fit neatly. Especially since it would make Jaime loathe himself even more, but could also be the final thing to galvanize him to becoming a good man (seeing someone with genuine honour sacrifice themselves so he can live). It would fit Brienne/Jaime's relationship arc as well, she seems very much to represent the knight Jaime wishes he could have been but the world would not permit him to become. Personally I hope they both survive the series. I'm sick of honourable and/or good people being ground down and destroyed. I got the message multiple characters ago. If I'm right and Brienne dies - and unfortunately she is by far the least 'important' of the two - I expect she'll tell him what she's learned about the Stark kids before she goes. As it stands her greatest importance stems from being the only character with current information. Another option - an outside one but not implausible - is that Jaime is horribly injured in surviving and ends up on the Quiet Isle with Sandor, hence why he drops off the radar for the time period. That would be a way to get Sandor back into the series, and we have every reason to expect he'll play a part eventually.
  10. iamthedave

    The future of Jaime and Brienne?

    My ongoing joke is that people in Westeros are born with 1ups. Sadly, death isn't quite what it used to be. This is the unfortunate downside of GRRM's style of writing. He can't always have a cliffhanger, sooner or later someone has to go off the cliff. And unfortunately, sooner or later that person needs to be not dead. We've got tons of people who were supposed to be dead that aren't now, though in most cases they were just rumoured dead. Problem is, a crutch is a crutch, and it's wearing thin. I find it actually quite depressing that nobody buys Jon Snow's death. I don't even buy it. And it's all because Martin went and 'undid' death.
  11. iamthedave

    The future of Jaime and Brienne?

    The thing is, I think this is the first time Thoros has seen Stoneheart coldly execute a genuinely good person who has not only not done anything wrong, but who was last seen saving the people the BWB claim to be protecting from Rorge and Biter, at enormous cost to herself. Plus he was really shaken by finding out Lem is wearing the Hound's helm. I really think the dam's broken this time. In the event they do die, I can see GRRM backdooring it by indeed having him breathe the Kiss of Life into one or the other of them, and dying in the process like Beric did for UnCat.
  12. iamthedave

    The future of Jaime and Brienne?

    I believe you've both forgotten the true moving piece of this puzzle. Lady or ladies and gentleman or men I present to you the one, the only... THOROS OF MYR!!!!!!! *applause* If there's ever been a sub-character with an arc it's this guy. Starts out as comedy, gets religion and a purpose, gains magic, now we've last seen him realizing that without Beric Dondarion the BWB are exactly what the Hound said they were: no better than him, bandits and outcasts who think they're better than everyone else for no reason at all. I absolutely believe Thoros will play a crucial part in this resolution. He's uncomfortable with the fact Lady Stoneheart is Unalive, he's uncomfortable with what the BWB have become, he's uncomfortable with what was done to Brienne, and I sincerely doubt that he's comfortable with the treatment of Podrick Payne. Now is the time for him to snap and do something about it. Side note: What's a warning point? That wasn't there last time I was on.
  13. iamthedave

    The future of Jaime and Brienne?

    You forget that Dance starts before Feast and ends after. Technically most of Dance had already happened by the end of Feast. Things move back and forth a lot so don't worry, the chances are that AWOW will start in the mid-point of Dance and end way afterward. Or at least some chapters will be throwbacks. For example, the Davos Seaworth plotline - whatever happens in AWOW - will have already ended by the closing of Dance or at least be well underway (otherwise Manderly would not have set out from White Harbour). I have a much better way of thinking on this matter (well, better in my mind at least): Brienne might well kill Jaime for Pod if she trusted the person who captured him. All she knows from Lady Stoneheart now is that she is willing to hang a completely innocent boy in order to force Brienne into action. Brienne has no reason at all to believe Pod will be released. Remember, she already tried to bargain her own life for Pod's and that wasn't good enough. She is an honourable knight, and she is - much as I love her - a little bit thick, but she knows when someone can't be trusted. Brienne is going to want to find a way to get Pod away from the BWB, and she won't for one second believe they'll live up to their end of the bargain. it's far more likely that once they have what they want they'll hang the lot of them all over again. Brienne knows all this and has no reason not to believe this will be the resolution. Whether or not she found a way out is a different matter. She's not a creative thinker, alas. If Brienne was hung and resurrected (though why she would assist Cat at all under those circumstances is beyond my comprehension) there's always the chance she'll kill Jaime and then give him the Kiss of Life. Would be a tragic way to end their romance plotline. Might even get the 'Jaime is Rh'llor' theorists jonesing a bit. If she's unlifed, Theon is Westeros' first lich. It's just as likely that Martin is establishing that Jaime can't fight in order to set up a duel with Brienne, who is also in a bad way and in no condition to fight, as an inversion of his usual EPIC DUELZ LOL writing involving bad assery on all sides. Instead Jaime can scream 'SHORYUKEN' and dragon punch UnCat's head off with his golden hand. Okay, that's a bid fanficcy but admit it, you'd laugh if it happened before wondering at what point GRRM lost his marbles. Honestly this seems the most likely resolution, given his penchant for high drama. It's also the reason why it hasn't happened off-page. Martin does not miss out his drama chances. Good writers don't as a rule of thumb. You forget that this chapter was included specifically as a 'they're still alive' because of the gigantic time gap between Feast and Dance. Originally Jaime wasn't meant to appear at all. GRRM realized that people were sick of waiting and wanted a hint of what was to come. Dance was meant to focus on the North and events across the Narrow Sea, while the Southron court was meant to be left alone, but the ten year gap meant that wouldn't quite work. So he included a couple of 'catch up' chapters for those who wanted to know. If we never get Jaime/Brienne confirmed as POV characters for AWOW, then we know they're dead, and not until. As for him being missing for weeks, people forget that in Dance, the folks in White Harbour didn't even know that Stannis and ten thousand men were at the Wall. People are hanging vastly too much on the fact that one person has gone missing in the middle of a war, forgetting that he did this once already (on his way to Kings Landing with Brienne) and that in most cases one of their other favourite characters - Arya Stark - has spent three books in this precise state of existence. It means NOTHING.
  14. Jon Snow, the bastard that everyone knows is a bastard, cannot become Jon Stark, and if he tried to do so I daresay he'd face a rebellion. He has no right to Winterfell, and were he to attempt to say otherwise he'd have a whole bunch of bannermen eager to remind him.
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