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    How would you rate episode 408?

    9 out of 10. I liked everything except for Missandei and Grey Worm, which I found pointless.
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    [Book Spoilers] EP408 Discussion

    Outside of the Grey Worm - Missandei scenes, which, while heartfelt, seem rather pointless, I thought this was by far the best episode of the season. The Sansa twist was interesting. Arya and the Hound are always great. Dany dismissing Jorah. The Tyrion - Jaime beetle scene was really good. And then, of course, the duel, which was fantastic. I found myself rooting for Oberyn and imploring him to end it, even though I knew what would happen. Great episode.
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    [Book Spoilers] EP307 Discussion

    Are you serious about this? Hard to detect sarcasm on the intertubes sometimes... I mean, to each his own, and I hate Theon for what he did as much as the next person, but it just feels extraneous to me at this point.
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    [Book Spoilers] EP307 Discussion

    My thoughts: I don't mind episodes with no action. There was plenty of plot and character development. That said, haven't we had enough Theon torture? Or at least enough for now? I think we'll get the point when he becomes relevant to the story again and we see that he's missing a couple fingers, toes, etc. I feel like we don't need as much Theon torture stuff as they've given us. I thought Talisa saying she was pregnant was merely a way to make the RW even more emotionally heart-wrenching. We form closer attachments to characters in the books just because the medium of a series of novels lends itself to that. You don't quite get that same connection to Robb from a TV show that necessarily has to skip around quite a bit. So my thought is that either Talisa dies or there's some sort of forced abortion during the RW that turns an already brutal scene into the kind of feeling that made me throw the book across the room (TWICE!) when I read it in the novel. I tend to take these things at face value, though, so I very well could be wrong. Shae is not a funny whore. She's not an interesting whore. She's a waste of screen-time whore. Jon and Ygritte were great. Jaime and Brienne were fantastic (although I really wanted Jaime to dump Locke into the bear pit - that last scene was good, but felt like it was missing something). I love Dany WAAAAAAY more than I ever did in the books, although she hasn't yet gotten to the point where she gets bratty and petulant. I thought both the Sansa/Margaery and Tywin/Joffrey scenes were fine, but could have been written a little tighter. I understand the character development that they're trying to accomplish there, but it could have been done better. Are they setting the stage for Osha leaving with Rickon? Or do we think she'll stick it out with Bran and the Reeds? Speaking of which, THAT whole story needs more. We need to see Bran having more visions and spending more time as a warg. Right now, I feel like there's not enough to establish why exactly Bran feels like he shouldn't go to Castle Black.
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    [Book Spoilers] EP 205 Discussion

    I have to admit, I have zero recollection of Quaithe from the books (which I've read twice). Is she important in any significant way?
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    [Book Spoilers] EP 205 Discussion

    My guess is they just did it because it looks cool. In order for it to make sense, you have to infer a couple things. 1. That Melisandre needs to be within a certain distance of Renly to send the shadow, or that the shadow can't travel over water, or some such thing. 2. That Renly has posted sentries on the shore (which was confirmed this week) and so a simple shore landing in the open wasn't possible. I doubt they bring up magic in the walls of Storm's End at this point to retroactively explain the smuggling scene.
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    [Book Spoilers] EP 205 Discussion

    Oh, and count me among those who are glad they didn't do one-boob Qartheen dresses. Unnecessary.
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    [Book Spoilers] EP 205 Discussion

    Before reading the 20 pages of reactions, here are my thoughts: - This episode was a bit slow, and I don't remember many really cool moments, other than Arya staring down Tywin after she says "Anyone can be killed." THAT was great. - The shadow was done well, I think, although I was a bit uncomfortable with how much time elapsed after Brienne killed the tent guards. It seemed like FOREVER until someone else approached. Given how much noise they made fighting, wouldn't someone else have gotten there quicker? Oh well, that's a nitpick. Overall, I really like the way they've done Brienne's character, and the scene with her and Cat was well done. - I like the expansions they've made on Loras and Margaery's characters. It will be interesting to see how Margaery does with playing a completely innocent young woman once they get to King's Landing. And while it may not have been explicit in the books, there was indication that Loras wanted vengeance on Stannis. For example, he was incredibly eager to be the one to lead the attack on Dragonstone, probably for that reason. - My guess is that Osha replaces Jojen and Meera. She's a wildling and the show has portrayed her as someone who knows about mysterious/magical things. I have a feeling a lot of people are going to be upset by this, but I'm all for it. I never got into Jojen and Meera's characters in the book. Osha is more interesting to me. - Tyrion's scenes didn't steal the show like they have in each previous episode this season. His conversation with Lancel was just a bit off, in my opinion; too much talking over each other. I did like Cersei's scene, which made it clear that she's willing to drink to cope with her problems. The wildfire stuff was fine, but are we going to see Tyrion building the chain? - Dany's scenes were okay, but, like in the books, she's so far away from the rest of the action that I have a hard time getting into her story. The Dothraki arguing about how to loot the jeweled statues was pretty funny. And her scene with Jorah was very well done. - The Fist of the First Men should have been in the forest. I understand they have to use what geography is available to them, but what the heck sense does it make to camp up on this exposed rock in the middle of open land? In the book, I got the sense that the fist at least offered a bit of protection from the elements. This is just out there for everyone to see, and for them to freeze. Did anyone else have a totally different picture in their head of the Fist? - Arya is so awesome. So very, very awesome.
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    [Book Spoilers] EP 204 Discussion

    Double post. Apologies
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    [Book Spoilers] EP 204 Discussion

    This was probably my least favorite episode of the season. Tyrion was fantastic, and I liked some of the Harrenhal stuff, but many other scenes felt forced and out of place. I'm okay with how they introduced Bolton and Jeyne, but there was too little context for that scene. I think it might be because I hate not knowing where (geographically) characters are. We know Robb is fighting Lannisters, but where, and for what purpose? I wish that was clearer (although the pointed dialogue from "Jeyne" made it clear that Robb doesn't quite know what he's getting into, which is a nice touch). The "Brotherhood" thing in Harrenhal felt forced. No one knows who they are. Another scene missing some context. And I know they wanted to give Arya a new name for her list (Polliver), but the way they did it seemed forced to me. I liked most of Cat/Littlefinger, except for Littlefinger's plea to Cat about having some opportunity (implied: since your husband, whose bones I have brought you, has been dead for a month). That didn't seem like LF's style. Dany at Qarth was boring and made little sense. Why not just show them your damned dragons? I don't remember how that went down in the books, so maybe I'm just forgetting. But I was confused that whole scene, including the "Sumai" invocation. Renly and Stannis was fairly well done, but seemed too abbreviated. Joffrey and the whores would have been completely unnecessary had they done a bit more with the Sansa scene.
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    [Book Spoilers] Ep 203 Discussion

    I really liked this episode. Unlike last week's where I felt the TV writers decisions contradicted some aspects of GRRM's characters, I feel like their deviations this week will pay off wonderfully. I loved Yoren and his backstory. I wish they had taken an extra two minutes on the scene to have Arya lay down before the attack and start her list. It would have been earlier than in the books (I think), but it would have created a nice, strong connection between her and Yoren's story. Then, of course, as her story moves along, she can add people as they wrong her. As it is, I hope non-book readers don't forget that scene when she starts saying her list as she falls asleep. That whole thing is a minor quibble, of course, and I could easily see it not being necessary. It's just how I envision the scene in my head.
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    [Book Spoilers] Ep 202 Discussion

    Because the Stannis scene IS out of character. Just like anyone does out of character things, Stannis sleeping with Mel (both in the books and in the show) is out of character for him. My point was that in the book, GRRM makes it clear that such a thing is out of character, given that it's never even mentioned explicitly. We assume it happened, but his character is one of stern adherence to law and justice and all that. In the show, by giving that scene such prominence, it's not very clear that it's out of character for him. Yeah, he puts up token resistance...for all of like 20 seconds. I understand the show has to make some sacrifices in order to provide context for later occurrences, but to me it seems like they're sacrificing much of Stannis's character, and that's too high a price.
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    [Book Spoilers] Ep 202 Discussion

    A good episode, but still one of my least favorites. Briefly: Likes: Arya/Gendry, Yoren (such a badass), Pyke, Tyrion/anyone, Night's Watch scenes Dislikes: Stannis, Brothel scene Again, overall I still enjoyed it, but I'll focus on the one thing that bothered me. Stannis is wrong. I didn't like the physical look of him last week, although his characterization was alright. But the thing with Mel just threw his whole character off. While I certainly wouldn't be upset if they toned down the sex in the show, that's not the reason I disliked the inclusion of that scene. Nor does it have anything to do with being a book purist, which I don't think I am. It's that it seems to establish Stannis as something far different from what he is in the books. Yes, it's hinted at in the books that he's slept with Mel (although before now, I never treated it as a certainty), but before we learn about possible infidelity, we learn about what a hard, uncompromising man he is. I feel like that stern-ness will be much harder to establish in the show now that he's an adulterer willing to cast his vows and honor aside for a naked priestess. I think GRRM kept the Stannis/Mel thing muted for the very purpose of not casting Stannis as a giant hypocrite. We were meant to focus on his dutiful, principled leadership and reluctant religiosity; his strict adherence to rule of law. Conversely, in the show, everything he does from here on out is framed by that scene with Mel. Conceivably, it's necessary to the show's version of Stannis and I'll come to accept it. But Stannis has been, by far, the most disappointing character adaptation from the first one-plus seasons. Maybe the only one.
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    [Book Spoilers] EP108 Discussion Part 2

    I definitely missed that. Your first paragraph set the tone (the "and this is just mean" especially). And then the last paragraph seemed to drive the point home that you thought I was being a jerk about the whole thing. It's the internet. If you're trying to be funny, you need to make it abundantly clear. Your rhetorical questions about Morgan Freeman and Bruce Lee could just as easily be read in a sneering, condescending tone, instead of a light, silly tone. I have a sense of humor (too much sometimes), but it's pretty sarcastic. No hard feelings. It just wasn't clear what you were trying to say.
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    [Book Spoilers] EP108 Discussion Part 2

    You're right, I didn't say that, and if you had read any of my other posts in this thread, you would have known that I didn't feel that way. I enjoyed this episode a lot, much more the second time, even though I had a few nitpicks. Heck, the stableboy wasn't even one of my nitpicks. I was merely responding to another poster who mentioned him. Do you notice that several others did the same thing? I'm not sure what my expectations have to do with anything. I don't expect every bit part to be done as fantastically as Morgan Freeman would do it (although that would be awesome, I love me some Morgan Freeman). That doesn't change the fact that the stableboy's acting was very bad. I wasn't thinking of when he was stabbed - I was more thinking of when he sauntered out from behind the corner and was like "Heh heh girl, now you're mine" in some tough kid voice. Surely some of the blame goes on the writing and directing of that, but the boy was bad. Hey, he's a kid. He'll get better. I hope he does and has a long acting career. I probably couldn't have done that scene even as well as he did. But he WAS in the scene, and he did it poorly. Here we are, in a thread discussing that very episode, and someone brought it up. So I shared my views on it. I still love the show, and I still thought the episode was good. I don't understand your unprovoked vitriol.
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