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  1. 52 minutes ago, A wilding said:

    Some of us are still pretending that there is a place called "Wales". Not sure how hilly it is supposed to be at the moment though ...




    46 minutes ago, HelenaExMachina said:

    No, the world seems to have decided to reboot WWII. Laziness really, they couldn’t even come up with new villains

    Well, nobody went looking for the Ottomans, did they? Probably afraid of all the hilly lands!

  2. Are you guys still around? Or mayhaps stuck in the mud of northern France? 

    I am hugely disappointed on account of:

    a. The Ottomans are not around anymore

    b. nor have they started WW3

    c. Robert Jordan is still a sell-out. Total bollocks.


    What can YOU do to fix it?

  3. Oooh Baita, you made me come back after 2 yrs hiatus. <3


    Needless to say, Eurovision is It. xD So far, it looks like Switzerland, the Netherlands, Russia, Italy, Cyprus and maybe Sweden are the top ranked entries. Russia will be difficult to beat for any country, as not only are they Russia, but they are entering SERGEY!!!!111!! with a massive power ballad. 

    It's time for all us Tovariches to put on the PINK UNDEROOS OF THE MOTHERLAND!  


    Pink underpants oh yes


    Unfortunately, he is not competing with the underpant-song, but Switzerland, the Netherlands, Italy or whomever will need to get past this Pink underpant-wonder.



  4. 12 hours ago, Lily Valley said:

    Lyanna, Reds come in all colors.  There are a TON that would look great on your coloring that look HOT PINK on me.  I need a deep deep blue base or an orange to get a "red" for my skin.  Can you get L'Oréal there?  They have so many reds I forget which one I am wearing.

    Ya we have L'Oreal, but I ended up raiding the Max Factor aisle since it a. had those colours (every other brand I saw had all these muted ladylike colours, haha no tyvm :P ) and b. didn't break my bank since I had to go get shoes for kiddies. Got a HOT PINK Lipstick and a Cherry Red one, too, with matching nailpolish, and an awesome intense Azure coloured blue nailpolish too. 

    Now I just need some glitter and glue-on silver stars and I am set!!


    16 hours ago, lady narcissa said:

    ILyanna, totally agree. I got some under eye concealer last year and it did cover the purple but brought to light lines I never knew I had!

    Yes! This seems to be the case with a lot on concealers and foundation. Considering women over 35 are buying a lot of make-up and prolly have more money than our younger sisters, figuring out how to make that stuff without it enhancing wrinkles seems to be an obvious thing to do. But then what do I know. :P


  5. So red lipstick yay and pink lipstick also yay. This is good. I will kiss the sky.

    Anyhow, as with powder, I live in the freaking sticks (apparently?) cos we have the absolute default standard stuff  + Urban Decay (which is New and Exciting) and it seems even amazon.co.uk won't deliver almost anything but books here. *sigh* I need to go abroad if only to a. be able to get proper make-up and b. cheaper booze. It's a crisis situation, really.

    Oh, I also got myself a CC cream from some fancy ass "for Scandinavian skin so it will cost you €€" brand while it was on sale and I think the only thing it does is bring forth my impending wrinkles, which powder really doesn't. What's the point of make-up that makes you look *more* wrinkled than the default state?

    It also annoys me that a primer that would cost me €5 in the UK will be prized at €12 here. FML. :blink:

  6. On 2017-06-11 at 0:08 AM, Deedles said:

    Speak to me of powders, blushes etc of wise people of the Board.

    I have the same issue, since foundation generally just doesn't agree with my skin at all, so I use powders mostly, but it's really difficult to find something that doesn't look too heavy/pancake and doesn't cost an arm and a leg.

    Also: red lipstick yay or nay? I've NEVER owned one, but am thinking of it. The times I've tried it, I think it makes my face look overloaded, but perhaps this is just cos I don't use it? Bubblegum pink as a compromise instead perhaps?

  7. On 2016-07-05 at 11:27 PM, C.T. Phipps said:

    I just picked up the latest Mercy Thompson book and I have to say I blame this thread for "ruining" the books for me as I'm aware of the flaws of the series a good deal more. Here, Mercy relies on Adam stepping in to tell off his pack for treating her like dirt the entire time versus the women actually coming to respect her for all she's done for them. Also, weirdly, I miss the vampires from the book. The Fae have never been particularly interesting antagonists and this is just another big monster they have to deal with.


    This is not ruining stuff my friend, this is making you aware of what is good stuff and what isn't. :P A lot of UF has some pretty tiresome and annoying tropes, which get pretty apparent if you just read with a bit more knowledge to hand.

    As a total aside, have you introduced your UF/paranormal romance reading spouse to Bec McMaster's London Steampunk series yet? If not, you should. :)

  8. Posting this here since I thought perhaps it fit better than to get to lengthy in the September reading thread (and I have a tendency to get lengthy :blush: )

    This is a reply to the eloquent post by SeanF in the other thread on the Sarantine mosaic.

    On 12/09/2016 at 4:26 PM, SeanF said:

    A very interesting write up. I agree with a lot of what you say/

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    I also thought it unrealistic that so many beautiful aristocratic women would fall for Crispinus, who is, after all, a long way down from them socially. 

    My impression was that Styliane cared for nothing other than avenging her father's death.  Not even the prospect of becoming Empress really interested her, which is where Valerius went wrong;  he thought that Styliane had figured out that she and Leontes would succeed Alixana and him in due course, and that she'd be satisfied with this.

    I viewed Gisel differently to you.  I thought she was a remarkably cold-blooded woman, who didn't leave any potential loose ends hanging around.  She had her six guards killed, for fear that any one of them might have overheard her conversation with Crispinus, and she made sure of Styliane by the end.  I don't doubt she would have had Alixana killed, had the latter ever emerged from hiding, and I suspect Alixana was aware of this.  My impression of Gisel was that she was advancing the interests of Gisel, much more than the interests of her own people.

    The high points of the story for me were the chariot races, the scene on the island when Crispinus and Alixana visit Styliane's brother, the confrontation between Valerius and his assassins, and the hunt for Alixana through the city.

    As an aside, Byzantine history is full of extremely interesting women.  Theodora rising from being a prostitute, to co-ruler of the Roman Empire and canonised as an Orthodox saint;   Irene, who was chosen to be Empress by means of a beauty contest, and (not exactly overflowing with maternal sentiment) later blinded her own son in order to seize the throne and restore the veneration of icons (she was almost made a saint);  Anna Comnena, a gifted intellectual who tried to murder her own brother to secure the throne, Theophano, who murdered two husbands and was the mother of probably the greatest Emperor (Basil II) all read like characters from far-fetched novels, but their stories are true. 



    Very interesting of how the Byzantine history was populated by many interesting women. I had heard of a few, but not all of them, and not in detail. It makes me want to read non-fiction of the history of the area. :) Maybe something for next year's holiday!

    Regarding the comments above:


    I agree with your assessment of Styliane. Valerius had clearly as you state figured her intelligence would win out, but instead she got consumed by hatred. Unfortunately, I thought that made her a bit one note. There was never any doubt in her, no soft or respectful sides. The way Alixiana impersonated her with the older Dalenoi brother was shocking and depressing. Even with Crispin she was cold and distant, and that she basically enjoyed the physical side of sex with him never really won me over, as I thought it was one of the major occasions where the author mistook sex for real intimacy, for no particular reason. Lots of people have casual sex and it means extremely little to them, but somehow, Styliane sleeping with Crispin somehow did matter, although it was never explained why, which makes it very implausible to me. She had no reason to like him, particularly, or care for him, so why would she when she disliked everyone else?

    When it comes to Gisel, I thought she was a better character, since although she is an extremely tough cookie and make some really bloody minded choices, she also mourns people she loved, she is afraid of coming to Sarantium, she is worried about her fate, and not only as representative of her people (although that was there too) but for herself as a young woman, adrift in the world. She knows and has accepted she may die, but she yet fears it and wants to avoid it.

    In that way I felt Gisel was a more nuanced character. She was almost set up as a foil to Styliane, since what Styliane got wrong, she got right. While Gisel is also cold and calculating, she is not *only* cold and calculating. She appreciates beauty when she sees Crispin's work in the dome and seems saddened/almost embarrassed about Leontes' insistence on tearing it down (and sends replacement Tesserae to Crispin in Rhodias), she is not completely without empathy and she doesn't actively hate people on sight. So I guess Styliane is more two-note because she is hell bent on destruction only, while Gisel is more nuanced since her goals are not that simple. It's about survival for herself, primarily, but also of her people, of her kingdom, her power, and how she can advance herself, in the power games. So in a sense, life handed Gisel lemons and she made lemonade. Life handed Styliane lemons and she angrily set fire to everything, sort of. :P

    I think that's what I really liked about the ending, how content Gisel seems working together with Gesius. Sure, they are both powerful, scheming individuals, but they seemed to genuinely enjoy working together, a bit like Gesius respected Valerius II. Plus it was a very understated moment in the middle of a lot of melodrama. :) Overall, I liked that Gisel's characterisation was pretty subtle and understated compared to the more dramatic Crispin, Alixiana, Leontes, Styliane and Shirin, for example.

    I don't know if they meant it, but Gisel and Leontes sent out a missive in the end that the hunt for Alixiana was ended, and that should she appear she would be "honoured". That may or may not be a lie, but since Leontes' reign and Gisel's coup was basically "blame everything on the Dalenoi and look like the natural follower to Valerius II", then it would probably be a better choise to treat Valerius' widow courteously. At least that was the conclusion I drew, but I may be wrong. :) At least "everyone knew" she was barren, so the threat of an heir by Valerius should be of no concern.

    It's actually not stated whether Alixiana ever made herself known to Leontes and Gisel. I wondered about that myself, but given the circumstances she is travelling under, my guess is she never did.





  9. 1 hour ago, Michael Seswatha Jordan said:

    Thank you, @Lyanna Stark! From what you've described I think I'll give Lions of Al-Rassan a go. If you don't mind, what type of setting is it?

    It's more or less a medieval Spain sort of setting, with countries/cities/rulers emulating the muslim/christians and jewish cultures and people, more or less.

    33 minutes ago, Darth Richard II said:

    Mieville is another author I need to give a second chance to. I was... not a fan of King Rat, but from what I understand that one was not characteristic  of his work at all.

    I just started Railsea, but my favourite is The Scar. I think you'd like it. :) It takes a while for it to get going, but oh my God, it is something else. If you do read it, let me know if you love or hate the ending, or maybe lovehate it. :) Only Mieville novel I have read twice. It was extremely odd going from Kay's very lyrical and flowing prose, to Leckie's matter of fact, no-nonsense almost brusque writing to Mieville's modernist style, complete with made-up words and odd punctuation. It's the same language, but it actually doesn't *feel* like it. Of the three, Kay's prose is by far the most beautiful, almost like music, or poetry.

    @3CityApache I'm glad you think Tigana is up there with Lions! I now have hope. :D

  10. 3 hours ago, Darth Richard II said:

    So, to resurrect old topic, I finally started The Last Light Of The Sun, and I can't tell if I love it or hate it. Well written so but so far veyr predictable, although I am not that far in and I do read way to much Viking fiction, and these things all tend to start out the same.

    This thread also reminds me how much I HATED Tigana in high school. :P


    I just ordered Tigana and now you make me nervous when you say you hated it. :P It was a used copy tho so if I end up hating it I haven't lost a lot of money!

    How're the vikings coming along?

    2 hours ago, Michael Seswatha Jordan said:

    Have you enjoyed all of his works? Or, are there some that your not too keen on? I dont read Bakker for the philosophy, lol! 

    I read the Fionavar ages ago, and it's...long? Derivative, nicely written, some of it will probably feel very formulaic nowadays, but it's also beautiful, in its own way. A lot of mythology. Lions of Al-Rassan is 100% brilliant. If it does not tug on your heartstrings you are made of stone. The Sarantine mosaic was very good. Clever, stylised and with amazing symmetry. The setting, especially in the second novel, is amazing and second to none, I think. Sarantium is really a place, you can feel it when you read. Kay's prose is very, very good too. Beautiful, but at the same time not complicated. You don't need to sit with a thesaurus next to you to get through the text (I am looking at you China Mieville) or trudge through a bazillion songs (Tolkien) or meandering/rants about philosophy (Bakker/Erikson). More...lyrical, perhaps?

    Haven't got to the others yet tho, but so far they have been absolutely worth reading, despite their flaws (which are very, very few for Lions btw).

  11. 16 minutes ago, Mandy said:

    He didn't kidnap her because he liked her though.  It wasn't in a creepy "I like you, I want to dominate you" kind of creepy thing at least.  He wanted to question her and get answers as to who she was working for because she was investigating the same thing he was.  And she did end up kind of beating him magically when she shouldn't have been able to do so... and they did end up being on the same side... yeah ok sdo maybe I'm glossing over that small part.  At least he didn't call her his slave and think about raping her *dies, ded*


    I am uncertain whether it was better on account of him not being a rapist, but fair enough.

  12. 19 minutes ago, Mandy said:

    Depends on how concerned you are about your Google history haha

    Really?  Dude in Hidden Legacy didn't quite come across that way to me, but something about the Alphaholes Ilona Andrews writes usually don't trigger my desire to murder :P 


    Haha not really unless it has to do with furries. :P

    To be fair about Hidden Legacy, he does kidnap the heroine and kinda sorta tortures her so there is that. Which to me is quite a dick move really. :P

  13. On 2016-06-20 at 11:06 PM, Mandy said:


    I'm reading Alphas: Origins now and I have a feeling this is... not my thing.  I'm not into ownership/hostage/rape fantasy crap, contrary to my quote in my sig block.

    "Your mother is a slave.  Lucas owns her now."  This is said to a 5 year old.





    What is this? 0.o Should I be worried about googling this?

    Hold me Mandy, plz. :P


    @Chaldanya How did you find Hidden Legacy btw? I felt I had to deaden my senses a bit to get through to the end. Also that dude? Is a total ass-hat. He's a class A "This is not romance, this is a dire need for a restraining order".

  14. 14 hours ago, Chaldanya said:

    I finished the 5th book.  The series is now sitting at a dismal 2/5.  OMFG what an infuriating book.  For a book that has lots of action and important shit occurring it is very very boring. AND to add insult to injury the romance has severe rapey/Stockholm Syndrome and I'm not sure if I hate the hero or heroine more. Add into that random sex in weird places at weird times (ok, the city is about to be attacked lets fuck like bunnies).

    You can bet your arse I won't be picking up the 6th book in this series.

    @Mandy - I seem to remember you read Lisa Shearin. Was she any good? 

    I've picked up the Felix Castor books and am looking forward to reading those.

    I have a suggestion. :P

    @Chaldanya Already looking forward to reading your review of that one!!


    Regarding the 5th McMaster, yep, what is worse, it seems Barrons get an almost complete personality transplant from the previous novels, which is bewildering to say the least. He's non-rapey in the previous novels and it's just bizarre. It feels like it's just rushed and poorly put together. Take out the romance and the political action is interesting, the romance elements just slows it down. Not to mention that it suffers from some really poor editing, in that we know the blue bloods are cool to the touch, yet here Barrons is described as "warm" at least once. It feels really sloppy. It annoyed me before that there is no consistency with trousers/breechers/pants and they are used randomly and interchangeably, but in the latter installments this sort of randomness gets worse, and more sloppy. It adds to the feeling of it being a poorly done rush job where the romance is tacked on and doesn't really work.

  15. 2 hours ago, Chaldanya said:

    Reading Bec McMaster's Steampunk series at the moment.  It's very definitely paranormal romance and not Urban Fantasy.  And I have thoughts:

    • The vampire mythology is interesting and I always like a bit of steampunkery
    • The five books are incredibly formulaic but enjoyable (to varying degrees) nonetheless. However, (and it's a biggie), all of the books have a the main characters keeping secrets from each other and in some cases it works.  BUT the fourth book makes me want to KILL the heroine.
    • As the series go on the underlying political subplot becomes less sub and this is to the benefit of the books.

    Overall I'd give the series a solid 3/5 but after I've read the 5th one I don't think the series will make my must complete list.

    So far there are only five, and I agree, no 4 and 5 are substantially weaker than the previous installments, which is a shame. It could have been the other way around since the political stakes actually increase, but it doesn't feel that way.

  16. 4 minutes ago, Andorion said:

    I don't think Hidden Legacy 2 is coming out before 2017. I didn't like it as much as Innkeeper or Kate Daniels but its still better than most other books in the genre 

    You mean Paranormal Romance? If you mean modern setting, then perhaps, but if you include historical or more fantastical settings, then I think there are lots better than Hidden Legacy, imho. Both Viola Carr's and BecMcMaster's stuff are less annoying and less rapetastic, for instance. As are Callihan's Darkest London (even tho I have a lot of other issues with this one), Draven's "Master of Crows" and Foxe's Steampunk romance stuff. (The latter three are still annoying in various degrees.)

  17. Is the second part of Ilona Andrews' Hidden Legacy out yet? The first one had some pretty awful romance tropes (the whole kidnap shenanigans felt kinda meh tbh) and felt closer to their Edge series than Kate Daniels.

    Have you tried Viola Carr's Gothic/Steampunk London novels? Two out so far and even though I prefer the first one, they are alright.

  18. 11 hours ago, Mars447 said:


    Also, Jesus.  I looked up the first book and apparently it's super rapey.

    Naturaly the teenaged girls that are the author's target audience would love that shit.

    Eh? Nah, it's actually not particularly rapey at all. It has some things it definitely does wrong, and some things it does right. COTAR is more Hunger Games meets Fae paranormal romance, kind of thing. It's very uneven, and features a love triangle, which is about as uncommon as seagulls at a beach, but it also has a heroine that's at least partially different and interesting, in the same vein as Katniss, i.e. she's pretty murderous, harsh and doesn't come from a super happy home, and this shows. She also needs to cheat in order to win, and partially that is her own fault.

    I also think you are being really harsh on teenage girls. It's like it's one uniform group of Beliebers. Instead, I find it interesting to ponder what teenage girls are taught to like, how the world shapes what they should like and how they interact with the books they read. We don't live in a cultural vacuum and there are many reasons for why stuff like "Twilight" is popular. It has a hook that even if I could see it coming still could agree was effective. It's blunt, totally unsubtle and it panders to a lowest common denominator, but it is still efficient. The question should by why it is, not that people find it so.

  19. So, Sara J Maas has finally finished the follow up to "Court of Thorns and Roses" and instead of reading it, I just went and read the spoilerific review commentaries. I can only say MWAHAHAHAHA!!! We totally called that one, oh yes.

    With that, I am going back to trolling for Tanith Lee and Angela Carter works instead.


    On 12/03/2016 at 3:49 AM, Mars447 said:

    Anyways, I prefer kickass chicks who can beat everyone up to weak female characters who need to rely on the men in their lives to get them out of trouble.  Am I sexist?


    Way too complicated a question to ask like that without giving you a ten page essay on how our culture devalues femininity. If you are interested for real and not just asking it as a rhetorical question, then read "Whipping Girl" by Serano. It lays it out clearly.

    4 hours ago, Mandy said:

    I'd like to hear a specific example of the kind of internalized sexism mentioned, because I can't think of one either and I've read the series probably 3-4 times, fully. If I do another reread I will be on the hunt and report what I find!! However, I am sensitive to that kind of thing, so I'm surprised it's mentioned. I either glossed over it or didn't see it. I think I've seen this kind of internalized sexism in the Mercy Thompson novels, however.

    Kate Daniels are definitely not among the worse examples in the genre by far, also agreed on Mercy Thompson (from what I have read of it, which is not a lot since I cba with it).

  21. On 10/03/2016 at 6:59 PM, Mars447 said:

    I feel like Kate Daniels in particular is above par as far as most urban fantasy goes.  Kate and Curran's relationship is pretty equal as far as UF goes, and female characters are pretty well represented among main, supporting, and redshirt tiers.  There's that idiocy about how shapeshifter cultural norms make invading boundaries and pulling romantic comedy bullshit an integral part of shapeshifter courting.  Breaking into the house of the woman you like and watching her sleep is Twilight levels of creepy, even if stealing her snack food while doing so takes some of the edge off.

    Kate Daniels is no Pax Arcana  though.  Sig is awesome.

    The main problems with Kate Daniels is that it is both extremely heteronormative and that it has some pretty dull internalised sexism. It's kinda...second wave feminist in that regard? Like, women are just as kick-ass as the men, they have to be just as tough, or tougher, they never cry or show much of any softer emotion (not that the dudes do either, cos their version of masculinity does not allow it). While also totally denigrating anything feminine and offending male characters with comparing them to women.

    I can live with the first part, since the deviations from that norm is almost useless to try and find cos they are rarer than pigshit, but the second... you know, it's pretty simple stuff. It just jars when you have a female character using stuff like "cry like a girl" to bring a male character down. Like yeah, female character just made herself a unique snowflake woman, belittled her entire gender and also made a totally useless sexist remark. Whoop-tee-doo.

  22. Yeah, this is the problem :P All the juicy bits get left out! We've got a possible bigamist on my mother's side - a sailor who had a wife and child in England, met a girl on the boat to Australia and by the time the ship landed she was pregnant, had another three kids with her, went back to England after seven years, his wife had another child (no idea whether it was his or someone else's), came back to Australia, had another two kids with the girl from the ship, grew old with her, told everyone they were married even though no one has been able to find any trace of either a divorce or remarriage. That's just what you can find from official documents - imagine all the colour which has been leeched out of that story!

    That's amazing! :lol: The opportunities lack of telephone lines and the internet afforded cheaters and bigamists were so different back in the day.

    The only stuff I really know about is that my mum strongly suspects that my grandfather is not actually my dad's real father, but that he is the offspring my my grandmother and one of my grandfather's brothers. My mother's side on the other hand almost certainly has not only a convicted criminal and a pirate, but since it was such an extreme embarrassment to that side of the family, it's likely the child was born out of wedlock. So not only did one of my ancestral grandmothers have a kid with a known criminal, she either cheated on her husband to do so, or shagged him while unmarried. Way to go. :p