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  1. I think its more magic and less science, in that the rules are not quite as rigid as I portray. I think as Drogon reflects Drogo, if Euron is to succeed in second lifing a dragon, that dragon will reflect his character and his ocean blood line, meaning it will become something like a corrupted sea dragon. And if Euron contracts greyscale then anything he second lifes will reflect that too. I think Falia is Euron experimenting. What I think happened at Summerhall is this. Someone (Shiera) suspected Targaryens are able to second life dragons and the sacrifice requirement. So that someone sabotaged Summerhall in the hope that it would result in baby Rhaegar's and other Targaryen's deaths, and that would birth the dragons. It didn't end up working because Dunk managed to save Rhaegar.
  2. Banging this drum again, as it has been a while and it does seem to be catching on. This iteration will be a comprehensive attempt at the theory but one which excludes any predictions, as the predictions have tended to overshadow everything else in the topic. If you're particularly sensitive to potential spoilers then this isn't the topic for you. How Valyrians were able to ride dragons is a secret, the text makes that clear. It is an in-world mystery green-lit by GRRM for speculating and theorising about. The answer is that the Valyrians worked out how to second-life dragons. By second-lifing dragons Valyrians created or turned dragons less hostile to such a degree that they could potentially be ridden by family members. The following is the detailing of this theory, the things it explains and fits with, but not those that would lead into predictions. Second-lifing is a known in-world occurrence introduced to the reader in the prologue to ADWD. It is known among skinchangers that when they die their soul can enter into an animal and they can live on in a second-life as that animal. Through the prologue chapter we are given a first hand account of a person dying and beginning a second-life as a wolf. Valyrians did this with dragons. Skinchangers are able to slip their soul from their body somewhat at will. Valyrians do not appear to have this ability innately, rather when they second-life dragons they achieve the flight of their souls through their deaths and/or blood magic. I will make the arguments for this farther on in the topic. If second lifing a dragon was possible one would assume Valyrians could not keep it a secret. Other people would try doing it, and assumedly succeed. It is possible, but there is a further trick to it, a hurdle that no-one else worked out how to get around but the Valyrians. Dragons are fire made flesh and thus a soul entering a dragon will burn. What will happen when a soul enters a dragon is demonstrated within the Varamyr prologue chapter. Varamyr was skin changing an eagle, and Melisandre magically burned it in flight from the inside, forcing his soul out of it and causing him tremendous pain. This is what will happen to anyone that tries to skin change and/or second-life a dragon. The trick, that the Valyrians alone worked out how to do, is being able to survive this fire, for the soul to exist and persist within the fire, to become one with it. To become a fiery soul. And doing so required(s) the sacrifice of one of their own children. Again I'll make the case for this below. So in a basic summary, Valyrian's sacrificed their own children and their own lives so that they may be reborn as dragons, and those dragons could be ridden by their family members. The process creates a blood bond between human families with dragons that persists through generations. The theory fits in with and explains a great deal many things. - It explains the purpose of the incest within dragon riding families, why the blood of the dragon must remain pure. It is to maintain as much as they can a likeness in the blood to that of the person who second-lifed the dragon. - It explains the Valyrian's own answers to their mastery of dragons, as they were related to the person who second lifed and became the dragon, many would be descendants from the second lifer or their brother or sister. - Though it doesn't explain where they got the idea from (probably dragon dreams), it does explain specific notions Aerion and Aerys had. - It explains why the Valyrian dragon riders views on the gods and why they named dragons after the gods. When you know how to achieve a second life as the most powerful beast on the planet with a lifespan many times that of a human, you have no need for gods. Dragons basically are gods, hence they're named gods. Varamyr says a second-life inside of Ghost, a direwolf, would be a life fit for king, natural progression would have a dragon be a life of a god. Drogo. We have in Daenerys a main series character who over the course of her story has come to ride a dragon, if my theory is correct it should show up in her story. I will show it does. Drogo second-lifed Drogon. Through Mirri Maz Duur's blood magic and the death of Rhaego, Drogo's soul slipped his body, entered the black dragon egg and persists inside the dragon. After MMD's tent of magic horrors Drogo was in a state similar to catatonic. This is the state of a person who has had their soul leave their body. It is the same state as a skin changer when they've slipped their own body. And a description by Jojen. MMD sent Drogo's soul from his body somewhat knowingly and on purpose. That is what her blood magic did. Obviously she didn't intend on Drogo's soul finding a home within a dragon egg. Straightforward hints are provided for the second-lifing. The name, one letter different. The dragon's colour, black, aligns with that symbol of Drogo's ferocity and superiority, his black braid. As Drogo is the fierce alpha male who never knew defeat, Drogon is the alpha dragon, boldest and least accepting of capture and captivity. Given free reign Drogon makes his home on the Dothraki plains, roaming and hunting it far and wide, such as a Khal does. Drogon is present when Dany learns of Robert's death, he responds to the news as one might expect Drogo would have given the assassination attempt on pregnant Dany's life that so enraged him. The legends/beliefs relayed through Dany's AGOT chapters leading to the dragon's birth signals the occurance of Drogo's second life. The Dothraki's beliefs concerning the death of a Khal. A fiery steed to ride proud in the sky. Dany is symbolically the moon, as Drogo calls her, and Drogo the sun as Dany refers to him. From their coupling comes dragons. The dragons drinking from the sun to take their fire is the dragon taking of Drogo's fierce fiery soul. Waking the Dragon Dany's wake the dragon dream is something of a roadmap for the second-lifing of a dragon, and there's good reason for that. The dream is actually her carrying out the process of second-lifing a dragon too. Recall it was a fevered dream and she was on the verge of death. But she didn't die, she survived and so woke back in her body, but she'd gone almost the whole way. The stone hall she races down with arches overhead is akin to the gullet of a dragon, a dragon made of stone, the red door at the end is where the soul goes, to give it fire and life, to wake it from stone. GRRM phrases it as a precarious question - "You don't want to wake the dragon, do you?" This is because the question is really do you want to die and become a dragon? Do you? And to sacrifice your child? The coupling between herself and Drogo, the conception of Rhaego, is what brings about the fire and dragon. Rhaego is devoured by fire. He turns into fire and Dany can feel him burning in her womb. Note the burning heart in his chest. It is echoed in what happened to Varamyr. And Melisandre's (R'hllor's) symbolism that becomes Arms, a flaming heart. It is this sacrifice of Rhaego, the turning of the child to fire within the womb that allows the whole process with a dragon. Without it Drogo's soul would have simply burned up within the dragon. It doesn't particularly need more explanation other than "magic", but it would seem something of a soul swap occurs, the child's soul goes into the dragon/egg, and the dragon goes into the child within the womb. Hence human Rhaego ends up dead with dragon features. And as a mother and child in the womb share blood, the mother, Dany in this case, becomes "infected" by dragon blood, but really the infection is a blessing that allows her to survive a night in a funeral pyre. It is thematically a perfect convenience. The ultimate power, that of a dragon, comes at the cost of the ultimate sacrifice, your own blood and children. And this theme runs strong through the series, from Ned not will to sacrifice Jon himself, Craster, Ned with Jaime's children, Stannis and Edric, Hazzea, etc Note how GRRM manipulates the language to corner Dany into making Rhaego a willing sacrifice rather than an unintended consequence. If a sacrifice has to be made for every second-lifing I suggest not, but certainly to kick things off and begin the blood bond. And the blood bond is with the sacrificed child as much as with the father, I would suggest, as Dany doesn't actually share Drogo's blood. The stones of the faded king's eyes are all stones that have shades of purple. These are Targaryens/Valyrians, Dany's ancestors who have all done what she is on the verge of doing here. They've all second-lifed a dragon, but they're old, their fire has burned out and faded. Dragons live long but not forever. These are ghosts of Dany's ancestors urging her forward to second-life the dragon as they had. And so she does, very almost. See her turning into a dragon, not a third party so that she may ride, but a transformation of her human self into a dragon. She becomes a dragon. And the last one is her taking Rhaegar's place as the last dragon. She's done what Rhaegar was trying to do, as I'll explain. But she wakes up, survives as a human, and so doesn't complete the whole process herself. But her having been 99% of the way to second-lifing a dragon and having dragon tainted blood is the explanation for these lines. The answer to what Dany is, is a dragon. The dragons know. At least she was, and is supposed to be. Rhaegar If Rhaegar knew about the second-lifing portion of the process I can not say with the little information the text gives us at this time. But Rhaegar understanding something of the sacrifice component of the process explains basically every piece of information we are given about him. Maester Aemon is our closest source for Rhaegar. Aemon knows about the prince that was promised and war for the dawn. He's read about it. And Rhaegar seemingly has too. And they seem to believe it. Rhaegar thought at first it was him. Then Rhaegar thought it must be Aegon. And we are talking about dragons here, the dragon must have three heads and eggs that won't hatch. From seemingly having read the same things as Aemon and Rhaegar, Melisandre has arrived at this conclusion. Aemon doesn't deny the possibility of a sacrifice bringing results. He's not down with it, but he's not ruling it out. And it isn't far from being right is it? The point here his that the sacrifice component is very real, and Rhaegar knew it. He thought a sacrifice would need to be made, and at first he thought it was himself. He thought he would have to die to wake dragons and save the world. But then he thought it was Aegon. But later because the dragons must have three heads he thought it must be the sacrifice of three of his children, hence why he had to have Jon. And this explains Rhaegar's nature. Rhaegar was melancholy because he thought he was destined to die a sacrifice. GRRM gives us a parallel character, Jojen. Jojen has the same character traits as Rhaegar, because Jojen too believes he has foreseen his own death. It is why there is a sense of doom over Rhaegar. It explains why the birth of Aegon is a bitter-sweet occasion for Rhaegar. At first Rhaegar thought it was himself, but then he thought it was Aegon. So instead of being overjoyed by the birth of a heir, as a father should be, he is melancholy and the mood is a sweet sadness. This is because he thinks he is going to have to sacrifice the child. It is why he makes music like this. He is singing about his own death and the those he loved because he believed himself first but then they would have to be sacrificed. And that's why Dany takes his place in the last portion of the wake the dragon dream, because she made the sacrifice and woke the dragons that he spent his life dreading having to do, but ultimately failing. Euron Euron knows. Or is on the brink of understanding. It is what his horn does. And it provides an explanation for his actions and everything in his cryptic conversation with Victarion. Euron's horn is (allegedly) a literal dragon's horn, infused with magic by Valyrians, used to bind dragons. It has an inscription that reads; That the horn tells you that it will kill you if you blow it raises the obvious question of why anyone would blow it, and therefor what use is it? The answer is the most simple and logical, it provides the blower a second-life. What the horn will do is set the blower's soul to flight, slip it from their skin, like Bran has done on occasion and Varamyr did in the prologue. The blood for fire line refers to the trade of the blower's own blood, a child of their blood, for which they will receive fire, that is their soul will be made fire so that they can enter a dragon/egg and persist there. Skinchangers call it second-lifing, Valyrians seem to refer to it as binding. What the horn will do is what MMD did incidentally in her messy tent of sacrifice. The Valyrians have streamlined the blood magic second-lifing dragon process into a clean blow of a horn. BUT, you have to provide the other elements, one needs to have on hand a child of their own blood for sacrificing and a dragon/egg for their soul to enter. GRRM provides more clues as to what the horn does. The bird tattoo on Cragorn's chest seemingly trying to rip free and fly while the horn is being sounded is imagery used to signal how the horn is trying to slip (or perhaps successfully slipping, it could have happened as we are not provided information to say otherwise) Cragorn's soul from his body. The horn microwaves Cragorn from the inside, as it is trying to set his soul to fire so that it can persist within an egg/dragon. The below is spoiler tagged where I quote from or reference sample chapter material. Euron wants to slip his skin and fly and become a dragon. That is his goal, ascendancy, godhood, and he suspects or knows that his horn does it. But he didn't know or wasn't sure that he would have to die to do it. And he does have to die, the setting of the soul on fire is a one way thing, for regular people at least. When Vic is summoned by Euron to the bedchambers Euron has freshly come to the realisation that he's going to have to kill himself if he wants to try and fly and become a dragon, he's realised this because his horn blower Cragorn just died. That's why he blurts it out to Vic, seemingly without reason. It is playing on his mind. And it is what he means by; The leaping from a tall tower is a euphemism for suicide, for killing himself, blowing his horn. The flying is taking a dragon. Euron will never know if he can take a dragon unless he is willing to kill himself by blowing his horn. But as has been explained above, one needs more than just the horn. He needs a child of his own blood and a dragon/egg on hand. Euron seems to know this, and so he sends Vic to go get him Dany. He specifically needs Dany to make a child with. This is because he needs the child to sacrifice. The him he refers to, that the child is to be worthy of, is the dragon, Drogon. Euron needs Dany, the last dragon blooded womb in the world, to make a child with both dragon blood and his own. He is trying to recreate the circumstances that allowed Drogo to second-life a dragon. He is trying to follow exactly in Drogo's footsteps. Euron is probably expecting to get Krakens from her, probably because of his own blood and not hers. Maybe its all just more experimentation. My theory states that the sacrifice is required to turn the soul to fire and thus survive the fire inside a dragon. I would theorise (due to a line in TWOIAF regarding the grey king taking a mermaid wife so that he and his children may breathe underwater) that a sacrifice to second-life or skin change a kraken may be required to allow the person to breathe under water. But I stray from the topic here. Summerhall Applying the theory or even just what happened with Dany/Drogo/Rhaego to Summerhall sets up a twist I think is very fitting and becoming of GRRM. All the elements were in place at Summerhall for someone second-lifing a dragon egg the same as happened to Dany/Drogo/Rhaego as my theory described, but for the one element, and that element is most crowed about. A child didn't die in the womb at Summerhall, one just very very nearly did. Rhaegar was seemingly only barely saved from fire by the heroic actions of Dunk. Had Dunk not saved Rhaegar he would have burned in the womb, and we'd have exceedingly similar circumstances to that in which Dany birthed her dragons. My theory is this. The saboteur at Summerhall wasn't someone trying to prevent the birth of dragons. No-one was needed to try and prevent the birth of dragons, nothing Egg was going to do was going to work. You don't get dragons by praying over them and other such nonsense, we've had plenty of stories to back this up. That the saboteurs were trying to prevent the birth of dragons is senseless. Rather, the saboteur knew or had an idea, a suspicion, about how to birth the dragons in the way Dany did, by second lifing, but it would require deaths, sacrifices, and there's no way Egg or anyone else would consent to that. So the saboteur turned saboteur, and went secretly about trying to make the sacrifices happen. And it probably would have worked, but for the valor of the Lord Commander of the Kingsguard. Tidbits. I've not addressed the comet. It probably plays a role, perhaps it needs to be around for the soul to go to flight. An extra complication. I do believe most anything can be second lifed, and that is what Valyrian steel is, steel with souls within it. I believe the souls can split, portions of it go into one thing and other portions of it into another. Jojen basically says as much in the line I quoted of his far above. I do believe that there are inherent or historic properties in the bloodlines of some, and that these properties will reflect in a second-lifed creature. As well as a person's character. That is to say if Euron second lifes a dragon, it is going to become a sea dragon (kraken) due to his bloodline. And that to second life a dragon one needs to sacrifice a child with some degree of dragon blood (Targ/Old Valyrian). And it should be noted that Euron is wrong, Dany is the purest dragon blooded womb for sure, but not the only dragon blooded womb around, Arianne is a glaring possibility. A thing can have more than one soul in it. And a soul can be more dominant than another within that thing. That's not a theory as we are shown this first hand by Bran skin changing in Hodor, pushing Hodor's soul down so that he may have take control. And two soul's can fight within a thing and force another soul out, we see this with Varamyr and Thistle. So accordingly, that Drogo has second-lifed Drogon already doesn't mean that Euron can not do it too/again. I believe Rhaego actually exists within Drogon, with Drogo. Consider the scene the TV Show gave us instead of Dany's HOTU. It does lessen the "sacrifice" portion a great deal, but I still think it to be true given how it will line up with future elements I'm steering away from in this topic. And that the dominant soul or souls within the dragon can allow other souls to enter as well, making a dragon a heavenly vessel for the second life of many, the dominant soul(s) like a god passing judgement on who is allowed in. And that this adding of souls is why dragons continue growing. The stars, particularly those that whisper, symbolically represent lost/fallen/waiting souls, they are in the darkness and need a light to lead them to a home wherein they can live their second life. The more the person achieves in life, the greater their life, the bigger and better their creature will be in their second life. It is what is meant by this line, In regards to a dragon, it impacts not only its size but how hot the fire they breathe burns. And the bigger the creature the more souls it can allow within to share in a second-life with them.
  3. Possibly Viserys went straight into the egg after his death but the child sacrifice was needed to bring him to life.
  4. chrisdaw

    The High Sparrow's Plan

    The High Sparrow is a true believer who has no real plan other than to serve the gods. If the realm was ruled by a true and pious king he wouldn't have attempted to take any power from it. Thing is, he's in a bit of a bind, he's not sure what to do, what the gods want. The current administration is a godless heathen mess, the gods surely don't want that, but then what do they want? He's just doing the hard yards, sorting through the muck as best he can, waiting, hoping, praying that the gods will send him the answer. And what do you know? Into his lap is about to fall a brand new shiny Aegon. The answer to all his prayers. The gods are good! Varys is good more like.
  5. chrisdaw

    Shadows Babies and Others

    It is nothing to do with the Black Oily Stone, that is Euron's story, but Stannis will become an Ice dragon. The symbolic angle GRRM is coming at it is this, Melisandre weakens his soul by shadow casting him, and so his soul casts weak shadows. The Ice Dragon's wings are ice and will drape Westeros below it in queer, thin, weak shadows, or in a way no shadow. He burns Shireen and thus has the heart of winter. He casts weak to no shadows. He has blue eyes. Ice Dragon. The final big bad Dany will have to slay. That one.
  6. No it works perfectly fine. They're the shadows in Arya's and Sansa's arcs, they're the figures who will influence them, simple as day.
  7. No I'm not ignoring it. Shadow is most commonly used in the text to symbolise influence. I could fill the length of this page with quotes demonstrating that but it shouldn't be required. Arya and Sansa will have an influence on and be influenced by a great many people, the shadows, Jaime and Sandor very particularly by sheer volume. Sandor has already done so (more will come). Jaime is yet to come, but thats obviously part of his arc, in his own words Sansa Stark is his last chance for honour. You're trying to turn shadow into whatever you want it to be, you don't even keep it consistent between the two figures.
  8. Shadows do not always or even so often mean undead. Most often shadows are influence. Thick black blood does mean death. And if shadows meant undead in this instance there's no need for the thick black blood. If the shadows are to have any relation to death here it would not be that they are undead characters all around the girls, they are not going to be surrounded by a bunch of happy fucking wights. It would be signalling the many characters, including Jaime and Sandor as the singled out shadows, will die in proximity or service to the girls, and for them to be significant enough to be included in this vision their deaths must be felt, be a real loss, a lesson, a tragedy. The shadows don't menace Sansa and Arya, you just made that up as you made up Jaime's death. The language used is that they are all around them. It's not my plot, it is a continuation of GRRM's plot and themes which you fail to address in any sense.
  9. No that is meritless nonsense. Part of the point of the passage is that Ungregor is undead as per the black blood under the helm. When Jaime and Sandor defeat him they will reveal what is under the helm, exposing him for an undead demon, the significance of which is that it will unmake Cersei given Qyburn and Ungregor are her men. Hence why it gets included in the vision. Jaime being undead would comically undermine the plot point, besides there being absolutely nothing to suggest he's going undead. And anyone with the slightest sense of theme will understand Sandor is going to be involved in bringing mercy to his brother.
  10. chrisdaw

    The Stark sucession crisis and Arya the unlikely

    No there's nothing in any of that original post. Jon will be KITN and when Arya reveals herself she becomes a princess in the north for him to marry off for political advantage as he wills. That is her duty. That's her arc, be Arya Stark and do her duty to her family and people, or be no-one, alone, but have her freedoms, particularly to love who she would. And it is Jon that pushes her arc from the side of duty to culmination. That's the story. And she chooses duty and Jon marries her to the Iron Throne and she becomes queen. That's why her journey begins with a first hand tour of the horrors of war caused by a queen who refused to forego the freedom of who she may love. Why she is being exposed to multiple religions and coming to tolerate all. Why she is moving through every social class. Why she is being taught the importance of mercy and the right of judgement. And will move on further to a rejection of vengeance and blanket punishment.
  11. It is a really straight-forward passage that follows no rules and should be taken at face value, it is almost certainly what he meant when he said he wished he'd kept some of the foreshadowing a bit less obvious. Of course it is Ungregor, Sandor and Jaime.
  12. chrisdaw

    House of the Undying. The Three Mounts

    Or Dany could just follow the vision itself. And/or Howland Reed could emerge.
  13. chrisdaw

    Summerhall is central to the series

    Bonifer is for playing out the dilemma of his faith vs his love. He should fall in line behind Dany for his love for her mother, only he now loves the Seven and Dany will be the greatest enemy of the Faith. On what side will his loyalty fall? His Holy Hundred I suggest are for doing battle with the Fiery Hand. There's no reason he'd have been at Summerhall and every reason he wouldn't have been.
  14. chrisdaw

    Historical parallels with real kings for targaryens?

    Tyrion - Richard III
  15. chrisdaw

    What is the role of Gendry?

    Gendry's role in the show is to get shirtless again and do something brave like.
  16. chrisdaw

    Summerhall is central to the series

    When Greyscaled Euron blows his horn in earshot of Drogon and his child, then dies, and Drogon becomes the stone beast, then the secret will be out. Given the horn artwork being associated with Winds I suggest it is going to happen in Winds, but then the Dance of Dragons didn't happen in the book named a Dance with Dragons.
  17. chrisdaw

    Summerhall is central to the series

    Shiera and/or Bloodraven. Shiera I think was made for this, her delight in mischief, her disregard for decorum and insatiable appetite for the arcane and exploring the unknown. It will be a Targ, that's to be their house defining trait, that they would sacrifice their children for the power of dragons.
  18. chrisdaw

    Summerhall is central to the series

    Summerhall in a comprehensive telling like a D&E would reveal the key mystery of the series how Valyrians rode dragons. But he's not going to reveal this key mystery through supplementary material, so such a D&E would come after the reveal in the series. But a Summerhall D&E would be the last of the planned 7 anyway. And I think there's an SSM where GRRM said he can't release what happened in Summerhall yet because it would be a spoiler. I can tell you what happened though. To create dragons they could ride Valyrians second lifed dragons. Their magic to second life dragons requires they sacrifice a child still in the womb or maybe newborn. Someone at Summerhall knew or suspected this, and knowing they would never get approval to sacrifice any human, baby or not, they went about trying to create the sacrifices to wake dragons in secrecy. The tragedy at Summerhall was sabotage but not by someone trying to prevent the birth of dragons, no sabotage on that score was necessary, what Egg was doing was nothing anyone else had not tried and it never worked. The tragedy at Summerhall was sabotage to try and wake dragons. And it very nearly worked. Had Rhaegar died at Summerhall you'd have had basically all the ingredients of Dany's dragon awakening. But Rhaegar lived, and GRRM chose to make that the big point of the whole thing, the baby lived only by the skin of his teeth and only thanks to the heroics and sacrifice of Dunk Had Dunk not saved Rhaegar there'd have been dragons at Summerhall. When they do this second lifing thing the child's soul seems to go into the dragon's, and the dragon's into the child. Hence you get children being born with dragon-like deformities. I suggest Rhaegar got very far along in the process of this, but hadn't completed it, and when he was born his soul shot back into his baby body. But having gone so far he brought back some fresh dragon blood, as that's what the text tells us when souls slip in and out of other things, they leave a shadow and bring back a shadow and its in the blood. It is what happened to Dany in her Wake the Dragon dream, she was 99% of the way to second lifing a dragon, but she lived and so her soul bounced back to her body, but she brought back dragon blood and so could walk into a fire. I believe having gone so far as to second life a dragon and the dragon blood Rhaegar brought back with him caused him to have severe dragon dreams, the type that convince a child that it is their destiny to burn and die and become a dragon.
  19. chrisdaw

    Poll: Did Jojen Die Off-Page in DANCE?

    Bloodraven having been given all this characterisation isn't going to be a puppet. GRRM perhaps lifted the mechanical puppet idea and morphed it into skinchanging into other humans, as Bran does and Bloodraven probably does too.
  20. In symbolism and foreshadowing terms the first thought when one sees stone and trident should be Harrenhal.
  21. chrisdaw

    House of the Undying. The Three Mounts

    Ned obviously saved Jon. Rhaegar had Jon with at minimum the expectation he would die and a dragon would come from it, that I explain here. Dany is going to follow Stannis's storyline but with some differences. The most important of which is when she comes to sacrifice her unborn/newborn child she and the reader will believe it will work. The question that needs answering is if this is a justifiable sacrifice if it is the only way to save the world? And GRRM can not ask that question through Stannis because no-one believes he's going to get a fire breathing dragon out of burning Shireen and go on to save the world. But everyone will believe it with Dany. Part of the point of writing fantasy is that complex questions such as what actions are permissible in the service of a greater good can be boiled down to a simple bastard child vs the realm. Outside of fantasy it must remain a theoretical question, whereas in fantasy it can be made literal.
  22. chrisdaw

    House of the Undying. The Three Mounts

    I just told you precisely how.
  23. chrisdaw

    House of the Undying. The Three Mounts

    No it is exactly the amount of magic he needs to realise the question of one (bastard) child against the whole of the realm which is where the series has been angling from for its entirety. Rhaegar had Jon for the purpose of sacrificing to wake the dragon to save the world, in contrast Ned at every turn made every sacrifice to save the lives of innocent children, including saving Jon himself and the Lannister children which lead directly to Ned's own death. It is Jon's and Dany's arc. Craster, the baby swap and now Stannis has brought the question to Jon's doorstep. Rhaego, did she know the cost? If she looks back she is lost. Hazzea. The cost of the power of dragons is the sacrifice of children, not just symbolically, literally. The greatest power comes at the expense of the greatest sacrifice, one's own child. Ice vs fire, the Stark way or the Targ way, Ned's way or Rhaegar's way. Jon and Dany are not love interests, they are to fall on either side of this question.
  24. chrisdaw

    House of the Undying. The Three Mounts

    They're her mounts in the sense that they second life a dragon and she rides that dragon. Love Drogo, second lifed Drogon. Thus she mounts him when she rides Drogon and their child was the sacrifice that made Drogon. Dread Euron, who will also second life Drogon and turn him into/become the Stone Beast. She will probably ride that too until it eventually turns away from her. It will not breathe fire and generally fuck Westeros up. Bed Jon. The man she will bed in the belief she will be able to fix Drogon, that is turning him from the Stone Beast back into a fire breathing dragon, if she gets pregnant by him and sacrifices their child.
  25. chrisdaw

    Stannis, the first lie and the false light

    Stannis will be the big bad of the story. When he sacrifices Shireen he will symbolically prove to have the heart of winter. When he dies his soul will animate an Ice Dragon, probably out of the ice of the wall. It will have an iron skeletal frame, and the Ice Dragon's eye or eyes will be blue crystal, and they will be Stannis's soul. The three big bads Dany must slay are Aegon, Euron and Stannis. Aegon in the Dance (he's more the good guy in this one really), Euron who will second life Drogon and turn him into the stone beast - a sphinx basically, and finally Stannis whose second life will be the Ice Dragon. GRRM has known this all to some degree forever. Here they are in AGOT. The black iron dragon with jewels for eyes is the Stannis Ice Dragon. The roaring griffin is Jon Connington, the power behind the mummer's dragon Aegon. And the manticore (sphinx basically) with a barbed tail is Euron.