Lord Eddard

Get it into your head that the vast majority loves this show and considers it superior TV. Now I am sure you consume a lot of stupid crap regarding the quality of your comments here but don't judge others by your own standards.

How can you even say this? Ramsay was brilliant, this guy is so evil you actually despise and fear him whenever he's on stage. Theon is fantastic, too: top notch acting and believable transformation from Reek back to Theon. Now I agree that LF's plan was stupid, actually I didn't get it at all. The Boltons on the other hand were of course glad to get their hands on the last (in their opinion) Stark, it gives their claim over the North so much more legitimacy, regardless of how many Northern lords were invited to the wedding or not. The fact - the wedding - counts. And Sansa - why do you even ask about her? She is merely a pawn and has no say in the matter. Do you honestly think she could have refused to marry Ramsay? Never. The end result is that we have Sansa in Winterfell. I'd take that any time instead of having her in the Vale twiddling her thumbs and doing nothing.

Actually some Tyene Porne made Dorne better.

I know what I said, Mr headteacher. And where do you surmise a liking of show!Dorne from "While season 5 had some issues - mainly Dorne that was unwisely adapted from Dance and almost as pedestrian as in the book"? I didn't like either of them. The only thing show!Dorne had going for it was that it was over sooner. I merely had to watch some minutes of it each episode instead of being bored to death while reading scores of pages in Feast or Dance. Hence "almost as pedestrian". Satisfied or shall I explain it again in simpler terms?

Hey, I won't defend show!Dorne now only to highlight book!Dorne's failing - I liked neither of them as my initial statement clearly said. The show would have been well advised to cut the whole pointless affair. But the rest of season 5 is magnificent.

Then stop watching, my poor summer child :kiss:

Yes, Stannis messed up big time, no arguments against it. But his campaign and he himself were all gradually falling to pieces. Even military geniuses can mess up, history is full of them. At the end, Stannis was broken and only a husk of the man he had been before. We were shown how one bad decision piled up on the other until their combined weight crushed Stannis and saw him unprepared and helpless in front of the gates of Winterfell. Brilliantly done in my opinion.

Can you please elaborate on many others? Almost everybody loves the show, the ratings and the raving reviews prove it. Even here, in the den of denial, more people voted the last episode a 10 than a 1 - heck, the worst average rating of one episode is 6 and most averages are 8 and 9. And then tell me again that there is no good dialogue in the show :lol: I even give you an example: Tyrion and Varys in episode 10 - simply brilliant. And speaking of book!Dorne - since you are so keen on good dialogue and love Dance so much - here's one example of exemplary dialogue that was sorely missed in the show: I am Darkstar and I am of the night. What a gem, what poetry..

This guy Metopheles won't let facts get in the way of a good trolling, so save your breath. We have already shown him the error of his ways. He just doesn't like it that he has made an ass out of himself :)

While season 5 had some issues - mainly Dorne that was unwisely adapted from Dance and almost as pedestrian as in the book - the last three episodes were an absolute blast and gave us a satisfying end to the season. I especially loved Tyrion and Varys together to rule in Meereen - the imp needs to be in a position of power to be interesting, otherwise he's just pointless "where do whores go?". FTW was handled nicely and had a huge emotional impact. Stannis as a broken man losing the battle of Winterfell was depressing but only consistent with his decisions before. I hope Brienne didn't kill him and he will take revenge on the red witch for making him burn his daughter. Ah yes, and the walk of shame was a blast, too. Great acting from Lena Headey just before she entered the gates - the utter despair and humiliation on her face was a joy to behold. The Seven have mercy on the her enemies when she unleashes Gregor. Can't wait for season 6!

Either you are too dense to get lancerman's excellent response to your endearing assumption that you could compare Game of Thrones' viewership and ratings to some obscure backwater German show - or you are willfully trolling. In the spirit of charity, I assume the latter. But maybe you are indeed special and need that extra nudge to understand basic realities, so here I'll help you out, nice and simple: the show is a massive success with unprecedented ratings and a worldwide hit, the vast majority loves it and rightly so. Deal with it.

See, I even agree with you, that was strange and not very logical. F*** it, i say it, it was stupid or at least I didn't understand his motivations behind it at all. But I applaud the decision to send Sansa to Winterfell instead of leaving her at the Vale diddling her thumbs. But.. they could and shoulöd have sent her in a different way.

Yes, definitely :lol: D&D have really messed up and will surely be unemployed from now on. I mean, most successful season ever, most watched episode ever, a show that is universally loved and praised and an author who has become a multi-millionaire because of it. But apparently they forced said author into selling them his ending and butchered the amazing storylines from Feast and Dance like Quentyn, Tyrion's wondrous wanderings, the industrious Queen Dany in marvellous Meereen and gallant Aegon... those hacks!

These flaws you mention are much more glaring in my perception and sully my experience to the point that I can't enjoy those books any more - especially given the brilliance of the preceding Storm. It's like discovering a piece of offal in your cup of Dornish Red. The whole cup is swill after that. And besides, I argue that people will try really hard to find a gem in anything. There are even some misguided Jordan fans who defend the infamous A Crossroads of Twilight to death over at Goodreads and spout about "character development while travelling", "worldbuilding", etc.. Interesting enough the same excuses one hears about Feast and Dance.

Off with you, troll! Be banished to the warren of ever-whining, where thou hast crawled forth! Where do trolls go?

First I was bitter about Tyrion not being in Feast. Then I was bitter when I read his "exploits" in Dance. When people complain about D&D's character assissination I mournfully point them to Tyrion and Dany in Dance - or as I like to call them "swimming with turtles" and "doing nothing for hundreds of pages".

Where did I say that? Of course it's ok for them to rate it however the heck they want. I just pity them for their bad taste and laughable attempts to justify it. And btw, you are trolling the rate thread with your tired circle-jerk - off to the rant and rave asylum with you!

If a lot of people attach meaning to something, this thing then becomes meaningful and aquires meaning in totally subjective ways. Shakespeare is the best example. The Tempest has been interpreted in myriad ways (post-colonial, feministic, etc..) and the literature written about it fills libraries. Different cultures and ages attach meaning in different ways. Picasso's Guernica might well be interpreted totally different than today in a hundred years. And that won't be better or worse than today, only different. Because all art is subjective. So back to the topic - I loved the season's finale and subjectively rate it a 10. I think people who rated it a 1 have shitty taste and are self-righteous whiners and nerdy book-apologists who are in desperate denial about the glaring drop in quality in Feast and Dance and try to shift blame to the show in a pitiful attempt to exonerate GRRM. But hey, that's just me :)

And meaning is subjective. Thanks for agreeing with me.

Keep denying it, it won't help you. All art is subjective, there is no good or bad, only opinions backed by the majority or not. Who knows, maybe in a hundred years a legion of book critics will find hidden meanings galore in Meyer's books, universities will be named after her and nobel prize winners will do a pilgrimage to her grave. Who can say? Van Gogh was ridiculed as well and considered trash during his lifetime. And now?

Keep dreaming. Why don't you re-read Quentyn and Aegon in the meantime and try to convince everybody here again why they should have been included in the show. That should keep us amused.

Of course it is subjective. It is just a matter of general consensus. As long as millions of fan and critics agree that something is of high quality, it is. Be free to not like the Beatles but you will always be the lone whiner in the corner who tries desperately to be acknowledged. Just like your opinion about the show actually.

You naivety is endearing. It really is.

If you think Quentyn and new "hey, I'm a Targaryen too!" Aegon are interesting, you have the worst taste ever, sorry to put it so bluntly. It's more interesting to watch paint dry than re-read the Quentyn "story arc". And at least show Tyene showed us some awesome boobs, so this was more bang for your buck than the whole Dorne mess in the books ("I am Darkstar and I am of the night" :lol: )

Of course. No author would want them to make him a massive hit and a multi-millionaire *facepalm*