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Very likely.

One of them has to die in TWOW :stillsick: : too many POVs in the same place.

Wonder how much Tyrion knows about Dragon horn lore?

Thank you, Azador! You take wonderfully detailed notes. I'm sure we're all very grateful to you for posting. As far as the battle of Meereen goes, no surprises really, all is going as expected, so far. It's what happens after, that interests me. How long will it take for this band of Dany sidekicks to grab their wayward queen, and I assume her knew khalasar, and get the feck out of Essos? ETA: There's a new tough guy in town taking the lion's share of the credit for this victory.

7. Loved everything expect the Dany & Jon sequences. And I really hated the zombie hord ending, the way it was filmed was so trite.

I really liked it. Took off points for changing of Catelyn's motivation in freeing the boys, and, to a much lesser extent, Robb's impetus to sleeping with Jeyne/Talysa - not that a 17 year old boy needs much impetus really. I'll judge Robb's motivations more fully come the marriage. It's mainly Cat the bothers me. But hey, show Cat character has been bothering me since the first season, so there's nothing new here. I liked the pacing of the episode. I know a lot of people found it slow, and I can see why they would, but I liked the slow character driven pace. It's something that was sorely missing in the first 5 episodes of this season, imo. If I have one comment about the pace, is that I think a character driven ep like this one would have worked better with audiences earlier on in the season. That the reason people are so impatient with it is that it came at a time when people expect the pace to rise, and the tension to continue to heighten leading into the final two episode crescendo. Taken as a standalone ep however, I thought it was very well done, and worthy of a very solid 8. I agree with this statement. I do feel that the show runners are too faithful to the books, in terms of pacing and point progression. I too wish that they were braver in telling the story, perhaps by viewing all the books as one, and restructuring it in a way that would tell a tighter more cohesive tale. But I also know that it would be for them to do that at this point. This story is unfinished, there are still 2 more books worth of a story to be told. Not knowing exactly where the story is going - beyond what I assume is very broad strokes - how could they possibly be more adventurous in editing it?

Double post.

No he didn't. Pyat only killed the members of the 13 seated at the table. Pyat is in league with Xaro, who is now effectively the new king of Qarth.

I loved the episode. I loved the changes, even the changes to Jamie, which though painful for me as a Kingslayer fangirl, I found dramatically justified, especially in relation to future Jamie. I really don't have much to say about "A Man Without Honor" except to say that "Baelor" was surpassed tonight, imo. David Nutter is a keeper. Brilliant director!

This deserves its own post. David Nutter is, to my money, the best director GOT has had so far - yes, even better than Alan Taylor. I hope they keep him for the 3rd season.

What an ending!!! The episode fully deserves the 9 I gave it for that ending choreography alone. And the music for that last scene was just perfect, the string movements mimicked the palpitating beats of my heart as I saw those two small charred bodies and then Theon's face. Tremendous job by the directer and editor. I absolutely love the changes to Qarth. For the first time since the book 1, I'm finding Dany's arc interesting. The one thing I disliked about this ep was Jaime killing Alton. Dramatically, I completely see why they did it: It makes Karstark's need for revenge against Jaime much more plausible, and defensible, than the books. It returns to his character an agency that's been stripped away by him sitting in a cell all season. After all Jaime is a dangerous, and the audience needed reminding of it. it makes his future awakening of conscience, and Brienne's affect on him, far more powerful and poignant. It makes Catelyn's choice to release after she hears about her boys more logical, now that she has reason to believe that Robb will no longer be able to guarantee his safety. So, I can't really justify my dislike for this particular change, except perhaps in being a true Jaime fangirl, I take any change to his character no matter how slight, or justified, with the prickliness of a nun invited to tea in a brothel. I'm also sorry for the changes to Jaime's conversation with Cat. The "shit for honor" chapter is my favourite of all the books, containing what is, imo, the best dialogue scene that GRRM ever wrote. What I saw tonight didn't hold a candle to the written word. That's not to say that show scene didn't work, it did. It's just that it could have been so much better. I'm still hoping we'll get more of the Cat/Jaime conversation as it was in the books next ep. Jon and Ygritt are really cute. A lot of chemistry there. And the sight of the wildings surrounding him on the violet-white icy hills looked so beautiful, and quite intimidating. A powerful ending to Jon's arc this ep. And I must just say that the shots of Iceland are worth every penny they've spent. A wonderful hour of TV. I can now, very safely say, that over the past 3 episodes, GOT has become the best show on TV right now, for me. ETA: I forgot to mention Robb/Talisa; Much better tonight, I thought. The first time I watch these 2 together without cringing at the terrible dialogue. Also, there's a decent amount of chemistry coming through. Suddenly, it's not so improbably that I might very well enjoy this coupling next season. Also Tywin and Arya: One of the best scenes of the night. World building and character insight in perfect harmony.

The letter that Arya read stated that Robb was heading south via the coast, it also mentioned something about Silverhill which is just southwest of Harrenhal. I take that to mean that we will be seeing Robb's forces, probably under Bolton take the cursed castle sometimes soon, possibly episode 10.

Can't speak for the many, but I rated the episode a 9, and I've certainly read all the books.

Both scenes are equally mediocre, in that they are equally silly. And just as the book scene didn't take away from the overall quality of the Arya chapters, neither did the TV scene take away from the overall quality of this episode. "The Old God And The New" is a fantastic hour of drama television.

That's the whole point of the scene. He doesn't know what to do. He's struggling to make a decision that either way will cost him and others dearly. He couldn't kill her in that moment, but he's not yet ready to let her go and put the lives of all his brother crows in danger. Unlike the book, we don't see inside Jon's head in the show, so instead they have to show us his thought process, show us his doubts, show us his moral struggles, before they show us Jon arriving at a decision.

Yes, I agree with you there, yet this episode is anything but soulless. It was poignant, dramatic, well themed and well paced. I agree with Ran that the Amory Lorch moment seemed like a scene more at home in a Pink Panther movie than on GOt. I also believe that the Talisa/Robb interaction, in both episodes we've seen so far, represents some of the worst tendencies of romantic scene writing. But both these brief less than stellar scenes did not, and could not, as a whole take away from an extremely well orchestrated and delivered hour of drama. Is the episode perfect? No, ofcourse not. But for me, it was a fabulous hour of television. On the Myrcella crying issue; There's a very good reason why they could not have her go off dry eyed and stolid, because it would have come off at best as unrealistic, and at worst as very bad acting. It would also have reduced the overall drama of that parting scene, as viewers connect with characters and situations primarily through emotion. The emotional link with that little girl being shipped away to a strange land all on her own, would have been diminished. Consequently, our connection to Cersie's pain over the loss of her only daughter, a child, sold like so much chattel, sent away alone, would have also been undercut. It was necessary to deliver the drama of the moment in which the scene lived. When Myrcella's character comes into narrative focus in the future, the show will, hopefully, define her in accordance to GRRM's vision using whatever dramatic means necessary for that moment.

No, perish the thought. Personally I watch episodic fantasy television purely for educational purposes.

Jeyne Westerling's grandmother in the books was Maggy the Frog. She was a Maegi. I thought the family name Talysa used in the show (sounds like Maegi) was a nice tie-in to the character's ancestry in the books. I took the name as a little clue that Robb's arc will continue exactly as it was in the books, but expanded. Changes present & future in Talisa should have little effect on the overall outcome his arc, I would think. It's what they do later, with regards to the Westerling family and Sybell Spicer in AFFC, that I'm excited to see. ETA: Also it could be a hint that Talisa is really Jeyne Westerling incognito, after all. That she used Maegi as her family name because that's closest to the truth. It is a Volantine pronunciation of her grandmother's name, Maggy. So perhaps sometime in the next few episodes we'll discover that Talisa Maegi's real name is Jeyne Westerling.

I'm not quite sure where your confusion lies. Why were they killing her in the first place? Two stated reasons: 1- Because they don't have enough food to feed her if they let her live. 2- Because if they let her go, she would run and alert Mance Rayder and his people of their presence and bring some Wildings back with her to kill em. Why was he chasing her after he failed to kill her? Please see point 2.

The way they shot the close up of the letter, Roose advising Robb not to go back north but to let his bastard son go to Winterfell, and Robb mentioning spies, all combined to ring a red bell in my mind while watching the show. I think it was intended for us to suspect the letter is from a spy, and make us suspect someone with access to Robb. At this point I think we're meant to suspect Talysa, she's still a mystery to us, but whether it's her or Roose depends on what D&D want to do with both characters next season.

The bit I read said: "Robb Stark moves troops south by coast. Alert.... turn east at silverhill"

Loved this episode. My only issues with it are: - Robb & Talysa scene: Idiotic writing, straight out of a hackneyed hollywood romance. They need to fix their interactions and make them more credible or they will really affect the toe of the show. - Amory Lorche's death. A farcical moment that felt so out of tune with the episode. I'm sure they meant for it to come off as shocking, they faild. It was laughable, and somehow made the supposedly very real peril Arry is under less credible. That's it, really. I like with changes to Dany's arc. I hated her arc in the books, and found the fact that no one at any moment ever attempted to steal her tiny baby dragons VERY hard to believe.