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  1. Black Crow

    Heresy 229 and hitting the refresh button

    Arya I really don't know about, but I reckon that its Sansa of the Snowflake Communion who keeps the Starks and Winterfell going. We have the story of Bael the Bard telling us how the present Starks are descended not from a Stark lord but from a Stark lady, while the as yet unseen She-wolves of Winterfell and the pregnant woman in the pool both hint at something similar.
  2. Black Crow

    Heresy 229 and hitting the refresh button

    Broadly I think we're looking at this in a similar way, but I'd tend to look at a duality between Jon and Bran. The king references to Jon are too strong to be ignored, but the associated clues point to Ice and Winter rather than Fire and Blood. Bran has his own set of clues and they are quite different. Rather than rehearse them all over again, I'd simply suggest that what we;re looking at is Jon taking the role of Winter King while Bran is going into the trees to become the Green King and bring about the dream of Spring.
  3. Black Crow

    Heresy 229 and hitting the refresh button

    Exactly, and this is precisely the narrative which is being hidden by the red herring of the Targaryen succession
  4. Black Crow

    Heresy 229 and hitting the refresh button

    I'm reminded here of King Frederick of Bohemia [start of the 30 Years War]. That was his title but he's better known as the Winter King because that's all he managed before being defeated and forced into exile. The Winter King of Westeros may not be a title in the dense of having dominion over Winter, but rather one who must rule during Winter and yes, perhaps die in order to end it
  5. Black Crow

    Heresy 229 and hitting the refresh button

    Yuup... I'm reminded of Osha's line that Winter's got no King, and suggest that's a far more significant clue to Jon's real destiny.
  6. Black Crow

    Heresy 229 and hitting the refresh button

    Ah well a central tenet of this Heresy business is that the story revolves around the Children of Winterfell, exactly as GRRM wrote in the synopsis - but that the crypts hold a dark family secret far more sinister than the silly speculation about possible [nay, certain] R+L=J clues in Lyanna's tomb
  7. Black Crow

    Heresy 229 and hitting the refresh button

    That long, huh? Anyway, I've always argued that it is indeed the oath used to seal the pact. The first line, swearing by Earth and Water [ie: the natural world] is performed by the Children The second line, swearing by Bronze and Iron [ie: the "made" world] is performed by Men And then of course the third line, Ice and Fire, [magick] by being performed in unison is what seals it. [great to hear from you again]
  8. Black Crow

    Heresy 229 and hitting the refresh button

    I'd be astonished if magic wasn't involved. Moreover there's also that other rhyme the Reeds know that avers that the land is one. Clearly that's no longer the case, so is that a cause or a consequence of the magic oath being broken? And if the land is not one, then the warrior of fire desired by Our Mel is only going to make things worse
  9. Black Crow

    Heresy 229 and hitting the refresh button

    I disagree about Azor Ahai being a resurrection. The term "come again" first appears right at the beginning, long before Azor Ahai is ever mentioned by the Red Witch, when Viserys is bigging up Khal Drogo, describing him as a great warrior like Aegon the Conqueror come again. Obviously he didn't mean that he was a reincarnation of Aegon [which he'd probably regard as blasphemy] but rather meant that he was another mighty conqueror. Similarly I'd argue that when Our Mel talks about Azor Ahai come again she means another hero taking on his mantle, rather than an actual resurrection. Moreover, at the end of the day this story is about the children of Winterfell and about Winterfell's mysteries not some mythical oriental hero
  10. Black Crow

    Heresy 229 and hitting the refresh button

    Ghost doesn't
  11. Black Crow

    Heresy 229 and hitting the refresh button

    I think that "human form"sums it up. There's no such thing as a guilt-free resurrection. He may look like Jon, hold Jon's memories and perhaps to a lesser or greater extent his character, but ultimately he's going to be a cold dead thing. This is one of my central arguments against R+L=J. While, as ever, I remain open to other possible equations I can be content with the possibility that its true. The problem for me is the supplementary assumptions that he is Azor Ahai, the rightful High King of Westeros etc etc. Rather I think that he is part of the bittersweet ending. He's going to be Coldhands, not Aragorn.
  12. Black Crow

    Heresy 229 and hitting the refresh button

    I think that the short answer in all of this is that unlike the Mummers travesty. them as comes back comes back wrong
  13. Black Crow

    Heresy 229 and hitting the refresh button

    I should perhaps have said Man The Oath is made up of three linked elements: Ice and Fire; Earth and Water; and Bronze and Iron, withe last pairing representing Man
  14. Black Crow

    Heresy 229 and hitting the refresh button

    I'd suggest that its the other way around. Bronze and Iron are used for the crown precisely because of their significance in representing men in the triangle
  15. Black Crow

    Heresy 229 and hitting the refresh button

    Fundamentally its the same - and consistent too with with the ambiguities of GRRM's own writing. The three-fingered tree-huggers want the Bran boy. Bloodraven is their agent, but may have tried at the last moment to save him, just as Kurz ordered the ambush and the Russian was his agent and at the same time remained enigmatic to the end.
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