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  1. Black Crow

    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    Oh yes, when reading those references I knew exactly what that smell is
  2. Black Crow

    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    I don't know whether there is an actual connection, but I do agree that shadows are very heavily emphasised for a reason
  3. Black Crow

    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    While we don't have his story, the distinctive cold smell firmly places him on the Ice side rather than the Fire - and also emphasises my earlier point that there is something more to Ice than the blue-eyed lot
  4. Black Crow

    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    Coldhands, like the Russian, is an enigma and as such his back-story may not be important, but the manner of his raising could be important. Beric and then Catelyn were resurrected by Fire breathed into their dead bodies - they are literally animated by Fire. Conversely the blue-eyed wights are seemingly animated by cold air, which I suggest is exactly the same process, but what makes Coldhands different is that he appears to have been a skinchanger/warg in life.
  5. Black Crow

    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    He'll be a shadow of his former self...
  6. Black Crow

    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    Not sure if we have enough to identify him as one of the Raven's Teeth. The Russian after all had no prior connection to Kurtz, but I do think that the speech you refer to rules out his beingBenjen Stark
  7. Black Crow

    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    Again I would very much agree with this one. GRRM's description clearly identifies Ser Puddles' "body" as something that had been created by magic and quite different from a wight. I suspect that the walkers are skinchangers who can exist without a host body - unless they require to create one out of ice
  8. Black Crow

    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    No I just think Coldhands was being ruthless in doing what had to be done in convoying the Scooby Gang to the cave. As to parallels I don't believe we need to be so exact as you propose. Coldhands, not Stoneheart, foreshadows Jon, although I certainly think that its going to be no more Mr Nice Guy when he wakens
  9. Black Crow

    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    As to Coldhands I think that there may be a simple explanation, in that in life he may have been a skin-changer/warg and when raised by the cold winds [as distinct from fiery breath] was able to retain/regain his consciousness unlike ordinary wights. Hence, once again a foreshadowing of Jon's fate.
  10. Black Crow

    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    I'd tend to agree and they are in fact referred to a couple of times as shadows or white shadows. Where I think they are different to Mel's Shadows comes back to this business of Fire consuming. Mel drew out a part of Stannis life force to create a black smoke-like shadow which was soon consumed. The white shadows are different in that they may be a means of preserving that life force. While Stannis is still with us, albeit weakened by the drawing out of his life-force, I suspect that the physical bodies of the progenitors of the white shadows may be long dead, but that they live on as shadows.
  11. Black Crow

    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    As I said above Beric is consumed by his orders to bring justice, a process which while laudable in itself was slowly but surely destroying him. Catelyn is consumed by revenge which will eventually destroy her. Coldhands by contrast isn't consumed but is preserved.
  12. Black Crow

    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    I think we're probably coming back to the three degrees of changeling. Thus far, we've been given a rather superficial and consequntly false impression of what's happening, partly for literary reasons and partly because of our limited viewpoints. Ice we saw first with the white walkers and then the wights. The first were "a different form of life" more ethereal than the mummers' parodies, while the latter are shambling zombies. The former are elegant and may have a sense of honour but ultimately both are portrayed negatively. As to Fire, ever since Mel strode on to the beach at Dragonstone, its been siezed on as the last best hope of mankind and only defence against the Ice, but there are hints by the bucket-load that there's something rotten in there. We have Mel herself and Moqorro, neither of which are quite human and I'm not at all sure about the Flames or temple guards. Then there are Beric and Catelyn. They appear to have a direct equivalent in Coldhands. Coldhands is Ice, not fire. Unlike Beric and Catelyn he isn't consumed. There doesn't appear as yet to be a fiery equivalent of the blue-eyed wights, but I won't be surprised if that changes once the real dying begins, but we'll have to see. What's important at this point is Mel. We don't know what's behind the glamour but she's clearly not another Beric or Catelyn. I would suggest that she is in fact a Red Walker, albeit perhaps not yet fully transformed. She reflects in her POV how she is waiting to a transformation to be be complete and while she has red eyes they aint completely red. As I'm thinking it at the moment it would therefore appear that Ice and Fire both have the power to raise the dead, either as Coldhands or as Beric respectively. But then there is another, different level by which they can be physically transformed into their respective elements either as White Walkers or as Red ones, losing their humanity in the process.
  13. Black Crow

    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    No, I think that we're agreed on that one, which is why I'd look to Val - who of course doesn't exist in the mummers' version
  14. Black Crow

    Heresy 209 Of Ice and of Fire

    Depends how you define warm. We're told that Ice preserves while Fire consumes. I would say that both Beric and Catelyn were/are consumed. Beric by his mission and Catelyn by vengeance. On the other side Coldhands seems quieter and well conducted, with dare I say it, his humanity preserved so its going to be interesting to see what happens to Jon
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