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  1. Neither, its the collective consciousness into which all the Greeshka are absorbed - unless they escape as White Walkers
  2. I've suggested in the past that the tower situation is misunderstood. For the faithful it is Rhaegar's secret love-nest where he and Lyanna dallied far from prying eyes while the kingdom fell apart around them. That of course ignores the facts that at one and the same time It is a bleak and desolate spot where strangers and strange going ons will be headline news in the Mulesville Gazette, and yet it was a watchtower overlooking the Prince's Pass, one of the two principal roads in or out of Dorne. My take on this is that if Rhaegar truly named the place the Tower of Joy, it was because it was there he welcomed his bride-to-be, Elia of Dorne. As to the gunfight at the OK Corral I reckon that was due to two options; either Lord Eddard and his companions ran down the fugitives there, or, more likely given the ritual formality of the rencounter, the three ronin had deposited Lyanna at Starfall and were heading back north to atone for their dereliction by slaying the Usurper and his men or dying in the attempt. Fitting Doran Martell into this is thus explicable. He might have been a reluctant vassal of Aerys, but the Usurper and his men had slain his son and all the other Dornishmen and true who fell at the Trident, and then his daughter and his grandchildren, murdered at King's Landing.
  3. Oh I think that Rhaegar knew exactly what he was doing, and it wasn't a romantic gesture but at one and the same time a warning and an invitation to join with him. Its possible that Tywin may have orchestrated the subsequent abduction, but I think that would be an unnecessary complication. He was running his own attempt on the throne - which provides Rhaegar another reason to look for allies of his own, and as I said it may have succeeded if Jaimie Lannister was in on it and didn't bottle the opportunity which dropped into his lap.
  4. As to the wider picture, this brings us back [albeit circuitously] to the OP. A superficial reading of A Game of Thrones suggests that King Aerys son, Prince Rhaegar espies a young girl from the north, who may or not appear as a Mystery Knight at a tourney, and publicly honours her. Then weeks or perhaps months later he abruptly abducts or elopes with her and disappears. Thereupon a young nobleman crashes into the King's palace loudly hurling threats and challenges. Like any self-respecting mediaeval monarch, the King has him executed and takes down the father for good measure. He also calls for the brother to be delivered up, along with an apparently innocent third party. As a result war breaks out and a 300 year old dynasty is toppled. In its place, the Blessed St. John of Arryn takes control of the Kingdom behind Trouserless Bob [as he has been all along], the Martells lose out at the Trident and afterwards when the Lannisters storm King's Landing, only for Jaime Lannister to bottle a coup. And all this time the abducted girl is forgotten about in the great game until she turns up dying after its all over. As the story has ground on we've learned that nothing was as it seemed. There was already a northern conspiracy being orchestrated by John Arryn which Prince Rhaegar tried to avert at Harrenhal first by that conspicuous gesture at the tourney ["I know what's going on"] and afterwards by abducting the Stark girl to frustrate the network of family alliances being woven against the Crown - which was reason enough for King Aerys to act. Sure he was a bit over the top in his savagery, but that only serves to obscure the old story that just because he [Aerys] was paranoid it doesn't mean the bastards weren't out to get him. In that context Rhaegar and Lyanna are irrelevant and their story a red herring. His purpose was to frustrate the Northern Conspiracy, but instead he precipitated rather than managed it, and got his family killed - including Dorian Martell's daughter and grandchildren - while the ostensible cause of it all, Lyanna Stark, was just another casualty of war
  5. Clearly there was something more going on. Trouserless Bob is gone and the Lannisters are more overtly in charge, and tightening their grip. This was intended to be just the start of something bigger.
  6. Doesn't sound as if it was significant, unless by elimination. I think that Lord Eddard was just expressing himself.
  7. Quite. He alo said the same thing about distances, so as I said it may be unwise to refute things by counting on fingers. Melifeather has some good arguments as to why GRRM has seeded this story and returning [at last] to the OP, I've argued before that there's a lot of possible iriny in the war [Bob's Rebellion] being fought over Lyanna - or rather, was it ?
  8. I've no dog in this race, but GRRM has gone to a lot of trouble to hint at a relationship. There were obviously stories, else Pycelle wouldn't need to deny them, but there are no obvious consequences to those stories. So why include these references? On the other hand, if they are true, why ? I wouldn't get too tied up on the quoted dates. I have done extensive research on my own family history and its surprising [or perhaps not surprising] how often people lie about their ages in official documents. For example a particular individual claimed throughout her life to have been born on the island of Jersey in 1802, but actually turned out to have been born there in 1796 At a casual level we can accept the dates as written, but if circumstances suggest otherwise they might be treated with caution
  9. Well I suppose Cersei's behavior stands in contrast to Tywin's cold calculation - much more Targaryen-like
  10. Where did that one come from ? Its possible, I suppose, and while Pycelle's denial is plausible, I wouldn't trust a word he says. Moreover GRRM has sown the question. It might explain Tywin's betrayal of Aerys, after all revenge is a dish best served cold, but I don't see it as another hidden Targaryen complication.
  11. I'd be more inclined to think the Crow simply means that wings need not be physical ones
  12. I have long suggested that the reason why the Great Other's name must never be spoken is because it is R'hllor
  13. Death aint what it used to be in Westeros. After all, what is dead may never die
  14. Aside from "darker and ickier" and would be a totally different kind of story. The Mummers Farce was always an extended version of a Game of Thrones with added hazards, including but not limited to dragons. It was all about who was going to get the tin throne. The Long Night would be a horror story pure and simple. Great if you're into that but a wholly different style.
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