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  1. Black Crow

    Heresy 219 and a whisper of Winter

    Speaking as someone who used to go bump in the night and do all sorts of anti-social things, crossing mountains isn't as difficult as you might imagine. Features such as the Prince's Pass are important because an army can march through them, but for every pass of that stature there are dozens of smaller ones which can be negotiated by small parties
  2. Black Crow

    Heresy 219 and a whisper of Winter

    The simple way out of this unnecessary hole is to listen to what GRRM said. Dreams are not literal, especially when the dreamer is delirious. We know the fight occurred as he describes it because he corroborated details when he woke. The deathbed scene seems plausible as well, but the mistake is in insisting that they both happened at the same time and in the same place.
  3. Black Crow

    Heresy 219 and a whisper of Winter

    A popular interpretation but actually its probably not true. Lord Eddard says he expected them at the Trident, at King's Landing or at Storm's End, but they weren't there. Curiously, they don't respond that it was because they were "here", ie; at the tower, but instead they were "far away". The two are not one and the same. Wherever they were, "far away" is not where they are when they are speaking.
  4. Black Crow

    Heresy 219 and a whisper of Winter

    I don't think that there's anything significant in the assumption by everyone from Trouserless Bob downwards that "Rhaegar raped Lyanna" . Abduction, whether dignified as Stealing a Wife or not has a pretty inevitable outcome. Once again though, as you say, whatever happened at the tower wasn't the culmination of a rescue mission. It was far too formal for that.
  5. Black Crow

    Heresy 219 and a whisper of Winter

    As to your first point that's precisely why I'm arguing that it was a formal, pre-arranged rencounter rather than the culmination of a military expedition. As to the rest JNR and I are in agreement that Lyanna was't lying inside receiving a running commentary on the fight from whatever passed for the domestic staff, and that instead Lord Eddard went elsewhere [probably Starfall] to pick her up.
  6. Black Crow

    Heresy 219 and a whisper of Winter

    That's because there was nothing in the tower to protect or defend. It was just an agreed meeting place for their formal rencounter. Compare the atmosphere with the first duel in The Three Musketeers
  7. Black Crow

    Heresy 219 and a whisper of Winter

    Hence my scenario outlined above. The only significance I feel to the burials is that all who died were honourable men who deserved to lie together just as all of them died together.
  8. Black Crow

    Heresy 219 and a whisper of Winter

    There is of course the matter of "they"in Lyanna's death scene. As has been pointed out many times before this suggests a location other than the actual tower A possible scenario therefore is that after the fight the dead were buried where they lay and that Lord Eddard and his faithful side-kick took the sword and the horses down to Starfall to find Lyanna. At some point afterwards, the Starfall people came out to the tower with them to demolish it and raise the cairns over the dead where they had died together. The point being that not carrying the bones north was a deliberate decision rather that a matter of practicality - although Lady Barbrey ought to appreciate in any case that a live horse is a lot easier to transport than dead bones.
  9. Black Crow

    Heresy 219 and a whisper of Winter

    Robb's wife was and very much is
  10. Black Crow

    Heresy 219 and a whisper of Winter

    Ah but my argument is that her mother was lying to Tywin on account of the fatal implication. A Stark heir would have scuppered his cunning plan to gain Winterfell by marrying Tyrion to Sansa. Telling Tywin that Jeyne was carrying Robb's child would have been a death sentence.
  11. Black Crow

    Heresy 219 and a whisper of Winter

    Quite. The character in question has to be unique in some way and as I said back at the beginning Robb Stark's wife falls into that category. The appearance of a "hidden" Stark heir by his lawfully wedded wife isn't a twist that can be shifted to someone else. The Mummer's show not only killed off their version of his wife but stabbed her in the belly just to make sure of anything that might be in there. In the book however Robb's wife is still alive and scheduled to appear in the WoW prologue where a twist may well be revealed.
  12. Black Crow

    Heresy 219 and a whisper of Winter

    There are a number of theories and none of them universally agreed. Its not in our nature as heretics to produce a creed. My own feeling is that they that originally they were the old lords of Winterfell transformed by magic and akin to the Nazgul in their nature. Like the Janissaries and Mamelukes they maintain or perhaps increase their numbers not by breeding [GRRM after all said they are a different form of life] not by but by taking tributes as recruits, ie; latterly Craster's sons. Their motive? A desire to recover what they have lost.
  13. Black Crow

    Heresy 219 and a whisper of Winter

    I once thought that to be possible. but having cogitated on it for nearly a decade, I now think that the momentum of GRRM's story demands the intervention of magic and the consequences which follow.
  14. Black Crow

    Heresy 219 and a whisper of Winter

    Ah, but Ice preserves while Fire consumes. Both Beric and Catelyn are indeed consumed, while Coldhands on the other hand has been preserved. In both cases they are dead, but Coldhands remains and I can foresee Jon going that way, more readily than being consumed by anger and revenge.
  15. Black Crow

    Heresy 219 and a whisper of Winter

    I very much doubt that there are any such contractual curbs. GRRM has been at some pains over the years to emphasise that the two versions are different and in the latest interview very different
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