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    Aussies LXV - what choices have we?!

    Unless someone is going to gaol for saying something, free speech is not infringed. Disagreement is not an infringement of free speech.
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    Aussies LXV - what choices have we?!

    So the poor little snowflake Barnaby has had a whinge about people chanting slogans near him. Reap what you sow, mate.
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    Aussies LXV - what choices have we?!

    Got it. I don't agree. But I do say that the modern right doesn't seem to think it has to justify it's opinions. Because the modern right thinks being asked to justify an opinion is bullying and an attempt to shut down free speech. Which is two F grades for the price of one.
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    Aussies LXV - what choices have we?!

    So you were using it ironically then. How ironic.
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    Aussies LXV - what choices have we?!

    OK then. Why did you call me "comrade"? What did you intend it to mean?
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    Aussies LXV - what choices have we?!

    If they are so unsure, then are they not paying attention. Public opinion has been painfully clear. The first phrase of your sentence implies that we don't do evidence. And then, in a breathtaking example of hypocrisy, you imply that I am a communist by calling me "comrade" - without any evidence at all to support your suggestion. Have you some evidence to support the suggestion that I am a communist? Or are you just trotting out the Murdoch Mantra that anyone who is not supportive of the LNP is a communist?
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    Aussies LXV - what choices have we?!

    The conservatives call it the "Party Room". Which sounds like a nightclub, but probably is not.
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    Aussies LXV - what choices have we?!

    The Flux philosophy would lead to nothing ever being achieved. I agree that the LNP took a plebiscite took to the last election. There are a number of issues with the remainder of your comment: The postal survey is not a plebiscite. The LNP won government by just 1 seat - hardly what I would call a ringing endorsement of their policies. The election also produced the senate, with all of the senators elected to keep their promises as well. The very simplistic idea that the LNP promised it so the rest of Australia should tow the line ignores the role of the Senate. The LNP also promised a bunch of other things, which it has reneged on. This link contains a list both major parties' policies. Are we to have plebiscites on all of these things? Have the LNP made an attempt to make all of these promises law? In short, the argument that the LNP govt is simply doing as it promised is not well thought out. As for this being a "left leaning" board, I say that this is an "evidence leaning" board.
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    Aussies LXV - what choices have we?!

    Can't agree with that I'm afraid. By that logic, we need a postal survey on every issue, which would obviate the need for a parliament in the first place.
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    Aussies LXV - what choices have we?!

    It has failed. I don't know what their reasons are yet.
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    Aussies LXV - what choices have we?!

    40 minutes to decision time...
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    Aussies LXV - what choices have we?!

    It seems that one way or another we will know tomorrow. The HC has said it will deliver it's reasons tomorrow. That means they think the Plaintiffs have not proved their case, or that it is obvious that the govt has blatantly done wrong. I note that the main reason the govt argued that it was "urgent" was that "urgency is relative".
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    Aussies LXV - what choices have we?!

    k, My take is that the postal survey stands on the brink of being shut down by the Court. The main reason I think that the survey will die is the reasoning of the Court in the Williams case (the chaplaincy challenge). It all has to do with whether the govt of the day had the power to use the funds in the manner it did. In Williams, the Court said no. On the evidence discussed in the transcript, I think the govt is pushing the proverbial uphill. I also think that all of the parliamentarians with questionable citizenship will be kicked out of parliament. If the HCA applies the reasoning in Culleton (from earlier this year) then I cannot see how any of them were validly elected. in Culleton the Court said that the only fact that matters on this issue is "was the (politician) a valid candidate on the day of the election"? Intent does not matter and events after the election did not matter. I may of course be wrong - I'm not a constitutional lawyer - but purely on the evidence and the application of precedent, that is what I think will happen.
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    Aussies LXV - what choices have we?!

    Hearing Transcript, Day 1. The standing issue was fully argued yesterday morning. The first plaintiffs ran varying points on the Williams issue in the afternoon, with some arguments crossing into legislative authority issues for the AEC and AS. In the afternoon, junior counsel for the first plaintiffs argued the legislative issues in more detail. Counsel for the second plaintiffs took the Court to the decision making process of the Finance Minister directly, relying on his "reason" for making the funding available. In this regard, the decision to release the funding could only be made if the need for the funding was "urgent" and "unforseen" Cormann's official reason was: "These circumstances meet the requirements of section 10 of the Act regarding the expenditure being urgent because it was unforeseen." Amateur hour. Will be interesting to see where the defendants go today.
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    Aussies LXV - what choices have we?!

    That's why the govt is arguing standing. They know that if the HCA applies Williams the govt will lose.
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    Aussies LXV - what choices have we?!

    Abbott is such a twit. Shorten has let him blather on about needing to release his proof until Abbott is blue in the face and then he shows his papers. Labor knows how to push Abbott's buttons.
  17. [MOD] Alright folks, let's tone it down. Enough with the personal attacks please. [/MOD]
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    What are Favorite Dark Fantasy Books and Series?

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    Aussies LXV - what choices have we?!

    No doubt. Meanwhile, on the lack of ethical integrity front, Morrison confirms that he will vote no regardless of the outcome of the postal survey. He also says he won't be campaigning because he has more important things to worry about as treasurer. Ugh.
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    Aussies LXV - what choices have we?!

    So the first High Court hearings began yesterday into the citizenship debacle. Two notables changed their tunes when they were under oath. Canavan admitted he has been an Italian citizen since he was 2, after earlier blaming his mum. Roberts admitted that he had not formally renounced his British citizenship until after the election. Fucking lying turds.
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    Aussies LXV - what choices have we?!

    What made the poster issue worse was old Uncle Mal coming out and saying it was fair comment in the debate.
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    Aussies LXV - what choices have we?!

    I was actually amazed that he did. But, yeah, nice to see.
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    Aussies LXV - what choices have we?!

    If the HCA applies the thinking they applied in Culletton, all of those MPs found to not have renounced their foreign citizenship will be forced to resign as ineligible. The test the HCA set out in Culletton was that the compliance with the Constitution under s 44 must be at the time of the election. It cannot be retrospective.
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    [Spoilers] Rant and Rave Without Repercussion

    [MOD] This morning there are more than 20 reports of debating, trolling and the like regarding this thread. Any person not adhering to the rules of this thread will be suspended for the remainder of the season. The rules of this thread are simple. You may post your rants. You may not debate said rants. You may not attempt to persuade someone that their rant is wrong. You may not refer to, post details of or even reference the existence of leaked episodes (as is the case across this entire forum). No further warnings will be issued. [/MOD]
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    Aussies LXV - what choices have we?!

    The plebiscite is merely an expensive distraction. No plebiscite is needed to change the Marriage Act. Howard changed the definition in 2004 without a plebiscite. If parliament took a vote the definition could be substantially changed in about a day or two. Turnbull's hands are tied by the religious conservatives in his party, becuase the LNP is more beholden to that group than the ALP is to the unions. There remains no sensible, objective reason to vote No.
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