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  1. Thats not how the show portrayed it at all. her being psychopathic from the start that is (Just to be clear). Its the reason so many were lost as to why she just flipped. She showed a propensity towards cruelty against her enemies throughout the series but not towards innocents. Just because you're ego is huge doesn't mean your going to burn a city and its inhabitants to the ground under a white flag. Thats way beyond anything Dany showed up to that point. You may have had some special insight but most people had no clue she would flip like that because the show told them otherwise.
  2. Her last order was to kill all her enemies in the city at that. LOL
  3. And Leto II cause a lot of strife for the "greater good"
  4. Its not really that deep at all. Im going by what the show has established. None of this is guess work. Its just looking at a chain of events, and the limited dialoge between characters. for Example... Does dany make her decision to lead by fear because of Jon spurning her? In the scene they Kiss, He oulls away and then she says "Let it Be Fear then". I mean by that scene it means Jon plays a part in her decision to rule thru fear. Its not deep at all.
  5. I agree on what you said about D&D, however, I said thats what i gleened from the show. However silly the writing may have been. Or the idea. Bran keeps alluding to his ability to see everything. So all that happens after Jon learns his parentage, Bran can be assumed to already know. he even tells Jon he was were he was supposed to be.
  6. i didn't understand how bran told these amazing stories when we never heard them. lol
  7. She may have found other things to force her over the edge indeed. However. Jon wasn't her main concern. It was sansa and people using Jon to take the throne. Which actually happens. So her concern was warranted. According to the show that is. There's no excuse for what Dany did, but it can be argued that without Bran's guidance much of this stuff wouldn't have happened. And I don't think Jons reassurance meant much because she knew what was going to happen... And it did happen. So much for his reassurance (he should have known better and has been written to be terribly dumb and naive for like 3 seasons now). The whole Gendry thing I chalk up to D&D just not realizing what they were writing in LOL
  8. Thats probably true. But, i just wonder... Had Jon never knew his parentage which, really played only one role at the end. To divide he and dany. Had he never known his love for her wouldn't have wavered and she would have probably felt less threatened by Jons popularity or what have you. Because they all knew he was heir to the throne yet sent him to the wall. So that info served 1 purpose seemingly.
  9. Indifference is always the friend of the enemy. To be cold in your dealing means you'll sacrifice 100's of thousands just to make what you think is right, happen. Like why tell jon about his parentage, let it cause the calamity it did, then tell Jon he was where he needed to be. Needed to be for what? I mean i could be wrong.
  10. According to this Episode, Bran is the main Villain. He's literally knew all this would happen. He manipulated Jon by telling him who his parents were yet all that served was to drive a wedge between him and Dany and clear the lane for him to become King. I may be wrong but that stood out to me.
  11. ramla

    This is all Jon’s fault

    I don't disagree at all, but wouldn't this point more towards the writing? I mean in order for things to be where they are a lot of characters have to act out of character. Thats a huge hole Dany and jon not even considering Marriage. Tyrion thinks it, varys is like she's too strong for him, she'd bend him to her will. Even if thats true, it would stave off the unnecessary struggles.Again I agree with you i just think is poor writing more then Jons characters decisions. Because even in the "inside the episode" they don't even mention Dany being his Aunt as a catalyst to why he's rejecting her... They even say "At the moment" meaning his feeling could change. Logically thats absurd to never discuss that.
  12. ramla

    This is all Jon’s fault

    Well the conversation is about Her burning the city and it being jons responsibility. Im specifically talking about the events leading to that change in her not their whole relationship from last season which doesn't really play into much of this at all. I shouldn't have to even say that but I guess I have to. You haven't proven why Jon is responsible for Dany's deeds yet. Just that he didn't just go along with everything she wanted. Which isn't again his responsibility. Address the rest of what i said not just the one part you thought u had me at. Also, show me were he councils her to burn Kings landing.
  13. ramla

    This is all Jon’s fault

    This is why I said "How can you disregard Bad Writing"? They never TALK about anything like that. Im not even sure if they even talk about her being his Aunt on the show (he and Dany). Anybody in that kind of situation would be very confused and would need time. Im not gonna find out the girl I love is my Aunt and not be taken aback. Thats the unrealistic part. They never address it which is bad writing because if they did Dany would likely understand his hesitance. Instead its all about the throne. The problem isn't that Jon turns her down... its about him telling Sansa about his parentage which... Doesn't make any sense. Which was written in because its the only way to drive the conflict between her and jon. If he said I swear them to secrecy and im not going to tell Sansa, there wouldn't be much conflict.... But the bottom line is that Dany going Mad is NOT jons responsibility. She doesn't listen to his council... He's obviously not commanding her armies. And he's literally the rightful King. All she wants is the D which he may not feel comfortable with at the moment. Maybe in time.... But he's only had 2 episodes to figure it out.. Jon is the NOT in character at all. If you're referring to show or books. prior to his Death, Jon was a commander. He led and made tough decisions. Decision that were the right ones even if they went against his oaths. Book Jon is a very different smarter character and even gave sage council and strategy to king (at the time) Stannis. Jon wasn't wrong about who the Nightswatch should be concerned with... thier war wasn't with the Wildlings, they was charged to guard against the Others. Jons mistakes were what? upsetting the applecart... the status quo? Its likely due too Jon still being Dead in the books and they just don't know how to write him without him being too HERO-EY. So they make him a bystander or a plot driven device to help drive Sansa's change and now Dany's change. He didn't win the Battle of the Bastards Sansa Did, He didn't beat the Night King, Arya Did. Only thing Jon seemed to take part in was his forced decision tell Sansa and Arya about who he was. They have no clue what to do with him as a character. Jon has been misrepresented since his resurrection. Ghosts his best bud... they are never together and he doesn't pet him when he sends him north... basically ignores ghost for like 3 seasons or more. Is that his character acting within character? or show budget because the show runners admitted it to be budgetary. People hated Jon for that but it wasn't his character that controlled that it was the Show Budget. So in the end its al about the writing but ultimately what you're saying about Jon being responsible is wrong. Just cause i decide i can't sleep with you (because Marrage was NEVER discussed) doesn't give Dany the right to slaughter Hundreds of thousands. i don't know how anybody can think this. However Sh!tty they write Jon he's not responsible.
  14. Thanks for sharing this! LOL
  15. The problem with all this is that, Trope busting is a product of GRRM’s great storytelling… He doesn’t do it for the sake of doing it. He does it to tell a great story with twists and turns. But not even trope is busted, because if the trope fits the story then so be it. That’s the bottom line. George doesn’t use Trope busting as a Gimmick. But the show does. Dany may go mad queen in the books… But it won’t be or feel forced. Its all about the story NOT the gimmick!