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  1. Whereas, I think you'd likely have 75% + saying Very Satisfied for Breaking Bad or The Sopranos, despite controversy over the endings. There's not much controversy over the ending of A Game of Thrones. The critical consensus is that it was crap. It got a rating of 4.2.on IMDB. if D & D thought they'd produced something good, they'd be doing victory laps at every fan event.
  2. Here we go again. If people were trying to burn my own city to the ground, in breach of a treaty, (and Dany's detractors deliberately omit that inconvenient fact) I'd contemplate paying them back in kind. Critics of Daenerys treat the Yunkish and their allies as the wronged party in Season 6, episode 9. The reverse is true. War involves killing, or threatening to kill one's enemies and their leaders. The Starks do it, the Tyrells do it, the Baratheons do it, and Daenerys does it. She fits in to this world.
  3. I expect Tarly's story will be very different in the books. He'll stand or fall with the Tyrells. It's FAegon's invasion he'll be fighting.
  4. You don't win wars by being nice. You win them by burning shit to the ground. Tyrion's advice caused terrible harm. Even in our and age, no general would hesitate to use drones and bombers on the Red Keep. Tarly sided with a woman who murdered his queen and liege Lord. Then he sacked his castle, slaughtered his comrades, and his lord's mother was forced to drink poison. That is dreadful conduct in any time and place. Dickon's conversation with Jaime showed he knew what he did was wrong. Varys (who had no compunction about committing murder prior to this point) getting upset about the Tarlys is a silly plot device).
  5. Let's see:- 1. Striking a deal to keep slavery for 7 years. The Slavers played him for a fool. 2. Talking her out of hitting the Red Keep, which would finish the war in 30 minutes, in favour of a strategy that gets her allies wiped out. 3. Whining about the Tarlys, despite the fact that killing oath breakers and traitors, such as Boltons, is standard. 4. Telling Dany not to fly North of the Wall. I'm sure that leaving the King in the North and Tormund to die would really endear her to her subjects. 5. Telling her to trust Cersei. The guy was a disaster as Hand.
  6. We're not alone. According to Yougov, 41% of viewers disliked Season 8, compared to 52% who liked it. That's a very mediocre level of approval.
  7. SeanF

    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    By Season 8, none of the characters in the show bear much relation to their book counterparts, so I'd expect there to be very big differences between the show ending and the book ending. Tyrion is Richard III in the books. Martin has already described him as "the villain" out of the main POV characters. In Season 8, he's a saintly pacifist, spouting D & D's absurd political views, and retconning previous episodes. He's also had a lobotomy. Dany is a genocidal maniac, rather than the anti-heroine of the books. People start plotting against her, despite the fact that they'll lose to Cersei if they kill her. I presume that Tyrion will persuade Jon to kill her in the books, but Tyrion's motives will be far murkier. Jon Snow is a waste of space. Cersei stares out of the window. I'm sure her final chapters in the books will be far more interesting. Cunning spymaster Varys is an idiot, who shouts treason at the top of his voice. It turns out Jaime never cared about the people of Kings Landing, making his backstory and redemption arc pointless. Arya becomes Elissa Farman. Martin won't tell that story twice. Euron is a poor man's Jack Sparrow, rather than the sinister wizard of the books. Sam won't be Grand Maester and Bronn won't be Master of Coin, in the books. Sansa takes over Jeyne Poole's story. I expect most of her story will be in the Vale in the books. The "rightful heir" story is a garbled version of the conflict between Dany and FAegon. Kings Landing will burn, in that fight, before the war against the Others.
  8. I have a literary crush on Savine Dan Glokta already.
  9. The Tarlys' offence went well beyond defying Daenerys. They betrayed their own liege Lord and Queen, by siding with their murderer, for gain, sacking his castle, and forcing his mother to drink poison. It's well-established in the series that betraying your liege Lord is a capital crime. In his conversation with Jaime, Dickon made clear that he knew what they had done wrong. If Dany had taken the Boltons prisoner, and executed them for betraying the Starks, no one would bat an eyelid.
  10. Which makes it all the more bizarre the more bizarre that killing the Tarlys is portrayed as a bad thing. In any real medieval society, the Tarlys would have been hanged and quartered
  11. It was bizarre that blowing up the Great Sept, and killing the High Sparrow, and loads of important nobles, had no consequences at all for Cersei.
  12. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    I think millions of ex-slaves will be almost worshipping Daenerys as Azhor Ahai. I wonder how she'll react.
  13. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    I think that Dany took out the Astapori elite, and her orders were fairly discriminate. We know that most free Astapori survived her attack, because Cleon enslaved them. I don't think Martin would expect us to endorse every act of violence against slavers and their families, but I certainly think he would expect us to view Dany's campaign as righteous. Slavers Bay is his version of Mordor.
  14. I'd see something along those lines. Of his favourite four, Tyrion is the villain, Jon closest to being the hero, Arya and Danerys anti-heroines.
  15. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    Even before her epiphany on the Dothraki Sea, Dany had come to see that her compromises were disgusting. I've always thought the Shavepate made a deliberately botched assassination attempt, in order to force Dany's hand. Aenys was like our King Stephen. A lovely man who was the worst King in our history. Lords knew they could defy him, and wage private wars, and face no consequences, and the commons suffered as a result. Whereas, behave like that under Henry I or II, and off came your balls and your hands. Successful medieval Kings and Queens were tough on crime, and even tougher on criminals. So, Dany really does have to put a bit of stick about. I always rather admired the way that Maegor and Visenya took on the Warrior's sons and poor fellows.
  16. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    The dragons are nothing like the WMD's of the show. They're still only a couple of years old, and will still be very young when Dany gets to Westeros. They'll be nowhere near as powerful as Balerion, Vaghar, and Meraxes. It will be Dany's armies that will make her formidable.
  17. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    I think Daenerys could become a self-righteous maniac. Or her darker turn could be much more limited, towards becoming Macchiavelli's Prince, who is as cruel as she has to be. It will be fun to find out.
  18. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    The river that flows through Meereen is used for irrigation for 150 miles upstream, so that's a lot of land that's being cultivated. There are also estates inland. Meereen itself is not short of food, although other places might well be. A loss of 10% would hurt (it would be an extremely severe recession in the modern world) and the war will have hit the economy further.
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    Dany and child murder

    Slaves were the main export - and that export has now gone. Which means there is little money to import luxury items like spices and perfumes. But, that doesn't really hurt the domestic economy - in fact we see that agricultural production is doing just fine. She also got a trade treaty with Lhazar which would help. Looking at things in modern terms, agriculture is probably worth around 50% of GDP, whereas slave dealing might be worth 10%. Losing that 10% is an economic hit, but one that can be survived. But, the people who made money from slave dealing are loud and influential, even if relatively few in number.
  20. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    If a society can only live by trading slaves, then I don't think an alternative economic plan is possible (and no one thinks about economic theories in the world). I think that in reality, even in Meereen, agriculture is the biggest element of the economy, as in almost any pre-industrial society. Dany does focus on agriculture, and with some success (the city is well-stocked with food, even under siege). Given time, I'd expect the replacement of slave labour with free labour to produce a big rise in agricultural productivity, as free labour is more efficient that slave labour. The Great Masters were idiots to burn the olive groves around the city. Olives are incredibly valuable crops in arid climates, but they take about 25 years before they start bearing fruit.
  21. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    She also has no desire to replicate Genghis Khan's methods of dealing with dissent. I agree that if everything went swimmingly in Slavers Bay, she'd be a Mary Sue.
  22. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    That's true, but I guess she has to be in Westeros to save the world from the Others, eventually.
  23. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    Perhaps "hardened" would be the better term than "corrupted". I hate to mention the Show, but there's probably an echo of it in Tyrion's speech about "evil men." You can start out by massacring people who are unequivocally arseholes, before coming to see any opponents as arseholes who need to be massacred. Admittedly, Tyrion was retconning Dany's morally justifiable actions in East as evil. Whether that was just typically lazy writing, or Tyrion being a deliberate liar in order to save his own hide, is an open question.
  24. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    I think that Macchiavelli's dictum works here. Either Dany should have completely forgiven the native Meereenese elite, and made every effort to win them over. Or she should have struck them down so hard and far that they could never be a threat again. She compromises between both positions, and it doesn't really work.
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