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  1. "She's not one of us". That's reason enough to hate her. Along with Missandei and Grey Worm. I just loved the way the show validated Northern racism.
  2. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    That may tell us more about how the Lannisters treat their servants than how the Yunkai treat their slaves.
  3. I may be overthinking this, but she may have thought that keeping Daenerys on the back foot the whole time would help her cause.
  4. I've only just watched Linda Garcia's last review:- "I feel like Charlton Heston at the end of Planet of the Apes. "They did it, they actually did it. The fools."
  5. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    People tangle themselves in ethical knots to portray Daenerys as the bad guy at Astapor.
  6. And, I think there's a good chance it will go like that in the books. The showrunners preferred a cheap shock to good characterisation.
  7. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    Plato thought that freeing slaves was a bad thing. That is not an opinion that has aged well.
  8. The alternative to Dany going mad and burning everything down is that she was always evil. Some people involved with the show seem to be running with that. But, her conduct (while sometimes violent) was never portrayed, in the show, as evil, in earlier seasons. Her acts as violence always come with triumphant, uplifting music, and met the approval of characters like Jorah, Missandei, Barristan, who we were encouraged to view as moral arbiters. And, D & D were constantly going on about how great she was "a heroine, the good Targaryen" "a liberator" etc. If there's one thing I find absolutely unforgivable in a book or series, it's retconning.
  9. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    True, but many good men have been bad kings, and some bad men have been good kings, according to Maester Aemon.
  10. Sansa's assumption that Jon only acted as he did because he was being led around by his dick was a fairly unpleasant one. But, I do think that Jon screwed up completely at a diplomatic level. Dany went North believing that the North had given her fealty, only to discover that it had not. Then, Jon told the Northern lords that he had to give her fealty in order to get her to come North, which completely contradicted what was established in the previous season. I could say that was Jon just throwing her under the bus, but I think it's more likely the producers kinda forgot what happened in Season 7.
  11. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    My own view is that in this world, war is simply the Ultimate Argument of Kings. I don't get too bothered about characters waging wars, more about how they wage them.
  12. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    A further point about slavery is that it isn't just "their culture". It's an extremely violent imposition of their culture on other people who don't want to be a part of it, but who get enslaved anyway.
  13. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    I think there's truth in that. Far more people enjoy fighting than is generally supposed. Dany imagines herself as a knight riding into battle, as she rides into Astapor.
  14. SeanF

    Appropriate Punishment for Catelyn

    As others have pointed out repeatedly, Karstark's actions were far more heinous. He murdered Robb's own soldiers. And, no one would respect Robb for killing his mother. They would detest him for breaking the ultimate taboo in this society.
  15. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    Being a personal servant to Dany is probably about as good as it gets for servants in this world. They eat as well as she does, enjoy a high standard of comfort, and have a kind mistress. Few mistresses would hold Doreah in their arms as she was dying, rather than just leaving her and moving on.
  16. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    I don't doubt that this is a world in which servants (whether slaves, or free servants) would generally be expected to provide sexual services to their masters and mistresses if asked.
  17. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    Dany is trying to compromise between the Great Masters and the freed slaves, and the free people who were not Great Masters, at Meereen. Like most attempts to compromise, it ends up leaving lots of people unhappy. But, it's worth bearing in mind that a lot of Meereen's problems are due to being subject to foreign aggression, not because of Daenerys. And, Essos is ripe for social and religious revolution, in any case. Dany is just the spark who lit the bonfire.
  18. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    I don't think Daenerys would have harmed Irri had she said No, or any Unsullied who wanted to leave. But, I accept the Unsullied don't have a huge deal of choice, and Irri is besotted with Daenerys, like most of her followers. Dany's enjoyment of the violence and killing at Astapor, is a disturbing part of her chapter, even though she was right to turn against the Good Masters.
  19. That works. You can get a higher percentage than 1% fighting, but only if they're fighting close to home.
  20. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    Irri is a volunteer. i think it's plain from the chapters that Dany was disgusted by the treatment of slaves at Astapor. What she did that day was righteous. What she ought to criticised for is leaving no stable system of government behind.
  21. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    We get that in the books, with Kraznys gleefully describing his evil,and in the show, too.
  22. What I want is a narrative justification, for burning Kings Landing. Not "being triggered by bells" or "she was always evil". People always have a reason for burning cities. That reason may be entirely rational - to induce other cities to surrender, or to deny them to the enemy - even if it's horrible. Or it may be based on some terrible ideology - the city is inhabited by heretics, or a hated ethnic group. But, there's a reason. Dany could have been losing the fight on the ground, and left with no choice but to unleash Drogon if she wanted to win; or she could have accepted a surrender, only for a bolt to go off, leading her to conclude it was another act of treachery, or the fires could run out of control. Those would all have made sense, but would mean she remained a grey character, rather than turning into Satan.
  23. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    Regarding the crucifixion of the 163 Great Master, it was in response to the crucifixion of children. Yes, she should have investigated each case, but let's not kid ourselves that anyone else would have let the Great Masters off with a beheading.
  24. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    There's a point that's often overlooked about Dany's anti-slavery campaign. If it wasn't her, it would be someone else. Essos is not a stable continent. The Dothraki raid each other and neighbouring societies endlessly in the hunt for slaves to sell to the cities. Pirates raid shipping and coastal areas for slaves. Tens of thousands of free people get enslaved every year. Cities like Volantis and Qarth are in decline, for all of their wealth. Other cities now lie in ruins. If and when this system goes, it will benefit free people as well as the slaves. Essos is violent and unstable, and the violence and stability is fuelled by the endless hunt for slaves. Dany is simply a catalyst for change.
  25. SeanF

    Dany and child murder

    Astapor was where she saw how the sausage was made, so to speak. Kraznys took great delight in explaining the evil to Daenerys. So, had she arrived, and seen well-treated, content, slaves, I doubt if she would have done anything.
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