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Given Harry and Meghan’s intense unpopularity in the UK, I’d say the public reckon they dodged a bullet when the pair left.

We certainly dodged a bullet there. Edward was a shit of the first order.

Or Joffrey.

Meghan and Harry have certainly given us an insight into the problems faced by titled multi-millionaires in the modern world. Prince Harry even has his own entry in the Urban Dictionary: "To be born with almost infinite wealth, fame, and fortune, then expecting people to believe that you're a victim of the system."

Sad, but true. There are other books to read, but I would like to see a conclusion to this series, other than the poor fanfiction that the two D’s gave us.

Long before that, she attacked dear, sweet Joffrey.

It’s the paradox of democracy. What do you do when bad arguments win?

Nick Griffin, the leader of the BNP, did himself no favours when he was eventually allowed on Question Time.

There are probably lightwells and ventilation shafts. The underground cities of Anatolia seem to have been quite comfortable.

If Stannis burns Shireen, it could only be because the Others have breached the Wall, and the future of humanity is at stake. One change that had huge consequences, was shifting Tyrion from being a villain to a (alleged) hero.

In all seriousness, I expect SR will be overdosed with sweet sleep. This will not be because Sansa deliberately kills him, but LF will try to frighten her, and guilt-trip her into believing she is an accomplice.

I like the comparison to Gibraltar. I guess the dwarven strongholds in LOTR are similar.

The same criticism can be made of Jon and Dany. They both resort to half-measures, when they should have gone in balls deep. Dany should have struck the slavers down so hard and far that they can never threaten the freedmen again. Jon should have just accepted from the start that NW neutrality is a dead letter and backed Stannis completely. In fact, he ought to have taken Stannis’ offer of Winterfell and Val.

I think it’s possible that Arya’s story ends very badly, with her becoming a professional assassin and torturer, completely detached from her work. But, I would still pity her, if that was so.

The tokar is a garment similar to the toga virilis. Once a Roman upper class boy assumed the toga virilis, he legally became a man. Among other things, he became liable to execution. A boy could not lawfully be executed.

Daenerys’ fault at Astapor was not installing a garrison to support the ruling council. It was not turning the Unsullied on the elite or liberating 54,000 people (thousands of them, children).

Given that the author has stated that he’s trolling, when he posts about Daenerys, he cannot complain. Genocide is very specific term, and when it is bandied about so lightly, it’s a sign of an argument being made in bad faith.

In this case, it’s fair comment. The use of violence to free slaves fits no definition of “genocide”.

Killing traffickers of people, their soldiers, and their overseers, only amounts to genocide in your own imagination. They do not amount to an ethnic, religious, or racial group. By your definition, Nat Turner, John Brown, and Toussaint L’Ouverture were all practising genocide. You cannot exclude slaves or freedmen or free workers from being a part of the local population, in order to invent a genocide.

Well, for a start, if there are freedmen in Astapor, (and there are in other slave cities), that would be one part of the free population that is unaffected by the order. They are not permitted to wear a garment that is restricted to the free*born*. We also know that is a “master’s garment”, for “those who do not work.” So, there were won’t be free workers, or paupers, wearing it. We know that in other slave cities, there is a class of free workers. Qavo even refers to a free beggar still thinking himself better than a slave. however, the vast majority are slaves. That leaves it as an order to kill the elite, plus their overseers, plus their soldiers, of whom, some are teenagers.Teenage soldiers and squires frequently fight and are killed in Westeros. An order to kill the elite and their enforcers is in no way comparable to an order to kill Robert’s children or wildling children.

Every sympathetic character in this story (eg Jon, Ned, Sansa, Wyman Manderly) “lies and deceives” when necessary. They live in a world (like ours) where lying and deception is sometimes necessary.

1. No. She ordered the deaths of slavers, Good Masters, tokar wearers, soldiers and overseers. That is, the elite and their enforcers. She specifically ordered that children under 12 were not to be harmed. Teenagers who fell into the above categories however, were killed. Some of these teenagers bear weapons. In a fight, you kill the enemy. This is a world in which teenagers fight and work. And they can be killed. Robb has no intention of sparing Joffrey. Robb’s enemies have no intention of sparing him. They are both of them, teenagers. 2. Cleon and his supporters castrated freeborn males (which goes to show, she did not order their deaths). The moral responsibility for that lies with Cleon and his supporters. 3. It is 463 miles from Meereen to Astapor. A huge hostile army lay between the two. She also faces an insurgency. Her primary responsibility is to her subjects in Meereen. She fears both defeat in the field, and a slaver uprising if she marches to Astapor. Unlike the show, armies in the books can’t teleport. 4. The massacre of Astapor’s population was perpetrated by the Yunkish lords and their mercenaries. These people are responsible for their own crimes. Daenerys does not operate some form of mind control over them. 5. She agreed a treaty because a vast army stood at the gates of Meereen. She was attempting to secure peace for her people. In fact, we know through Quentyn’s and Tyrion’s POV’s that the slaver army is much weaker than it appears. It looks like they’re getting kerb-stomped in TWOW. That’s a good thing. 6. We don’t know if Drogon killed Hazzea or not. Regardless, she attempted to chain her dragons, but Drogon escaped. That was a mistake, as it emboldened the slavers. 7. She trusted MMD. Most unwisely.

So your posts on Dany are just trolling. Glad to have that confirmed.

You’ve already told us, on another thread, that 60-70% of your posts are trolling.

They are the mirror image of each other. If you’re championing human traffickers/the Sons of the Harpy/the Boltons/Tywin Lannister/Janos Slynt/The Freys, you’ve lost the argument already. But, I doubt if such are arguments are made in good faith.