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  1. Again, she's 11. She is not even sexually active yet, and if the idea is to discredit someone as a "wanton slut" , it doesn't quite work on an 11 year old. The only thing that this is direct evidence to is that they weren't supposed to leave the column. How you are leaping to some kind of plot to rape and discredit Sansa when we have Cersei's POV and not once does she mention this is beyond me. Now what does this have to do with anything? Cersei calls for the wolf's head because she is afraid of the wolves and they proved her point when Nymeria attacked Joffrey. We have no idea, maybe the Hound was reprimanded but we know for a fact that the Hound doesn't spend every waking moment tailing Joffrey (on account of seeing him multiple times not being with Joffrey). What we do know is that Sansa is a dutiful daughter while Joffrey is an arrogant spoiled little shit who can get away with anything...that's all this shows.
  2. She's 11..... This has gone off the rails. And to the bolded, really? How is any of this textual evidence? You're taking circumstances that could all be attributed to negligence by Robert and spoiling by Cersei and making an insane leap with it.
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    Renly was a dummy

    Renly was a little too arrogant with Stannis I agree, but I don't think it was possible for Renly to lose that battle outside of Melisandre's sorcery. Renly clearly is not stupid- He would 100% be the King if not for Stannis/Melisandre.
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    Meanwhile back at the Wall

    Couldn't agree more as to your 2nd point. I've taken to calling them Chekhov's crypts at this point because there's just too much of a focus on them for there not to be something to come out of it. Between this Bran/Jon connection which is the only time this happens, Jon's crypt dreams, Lady Dustin/Mance both asking to see the crypts, there are just so many continued references to the crypts. And something else that really has begun to stick out to me is Arya remembering the crypts in AGOT. Here it is: Jon is the "ghost" of the crypts here .
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    Meanwhile back at the Wall

    This is really interesting...I had never know that Ghost had howled before and I've searched this forum, etc. for people talking about this instant and have yet to find anyone even talking about this. This is one of those things that may have gone unnoticed. Just as an FYI because I know we were talking about this, Bran/Summer does also seem to be able to sense the other direwolves. Bran has a dream shortly after the Red Wedding, well I should say that Bran says Summer had the dream of Robb/Grey Wind's death. I think it may just be that if you are a strong enough warg, you can sense the other wolves in wolf dreams.
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    LF, Sansa and the Vale

    Ah, forgot about the garrison that was set free. That just adds even more pieces to the complicated Riverlands scenario. It depends, but I can't really imagine a column of 400 men travelling speedily through the Riverlands with all the stuff going on. Not to mention you may be having weather issues such as snow at this point too. I think a very effective rescue could be launched considering again that you have mention of these "signal fires" all around the Riverlands and the Brotherhood have a habit of showing up exactly on point and on time. I would definitely like to see Casterly Rock though so I wouldn't complain if this was the case. From what I understand of LF's plans, I think he has no intention of ever even being seated at Harrenhall. He used it as a stepping stone to marry Lysa and get the Vale, and he will probably try to leverage Sansa and the Vale to get the North. So yes, completely agree that LF wants the North, and Sansa isn't gonna care too much about the Riverlands at the moment. It's an interesting question. I do seem to recall that we get some throwaway line that Stoneheart and the Brotherhood is actively looking for both Sansa and Arya. If that is the case, you'd imagine that like Ser Shadrich who is also searching for Sansa one of the first places to go to look for her would be the Vale. We might guess Stoneheart has some sort of spy in the Eyrie but would the spy be able to get word to Stoneheart about Alayne even if there was a spy?
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    Do you think the night' queen will return?

    Yes, this is exactly what I was thinking as well. The passages you quoted were certainly evocative of the Night's Queen. I also still find it ridiculous that Val was somehow able to travel through the Haunted Forest completely alone to find Tormund- we know the Others and White Walkers are all around and have been picking off stragglers from Tormund's band relentlessly.
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    LF, Sansa and the Vale

    My issue with the "pattern" theory is that it would have been pretty easy to switch ADWD epilogue with the TWOW prologue right? So he could have easily made a Maester Pycelle prologue and gotten similar information across that he used Kevan Lannister for. Either way, I'm not sure GRRM would care so much about a pattern like that. I believe Prester either has 200 or 400. I'm not sure which amount off the top of my head. I remember there was 100 to start, which was then doubled, but I also seem to recall a 2nd doubling which would put it at 400. Not sure of that though. And also I'd say that your earlier thoughts and @Helenas Musikautomat about Daven Lannister telling Jaime that his men have reported seeing "signal fires" all around them. This definitely suggests some kind of communication network of the Brotherhood, which may allow them to quickly find targets of interest (e.g. the Freys hanged almost instantly upon being sent home by Jaime from the siege of Riverrun and Brienne finding Jaime at Pennytree). And yes, about Edmure dying we have Jaime giving very specific and explicit orders to place archers around Edmure and Jeyne and kill them on the first sign of escape...that could definitely happen.
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    Sam in basic training

    That's a good question haha. I'd guess maybe the knights did bring entourages of servants, but it's just as likely there were lower born NW members assigned to do the more menial tasks. I agree on the "basic training" idea, but I don't think people would argue what Thorne was doing, or what he was interested in doing, was really "basic training." I don't want to say it was likely, but I think it was very possible Sam would have wound up dead had he been stuck behind with Thorne and Rast and some of those other meaner NW recruits. The idea that nobles are treated the same as lowborn is theoretical, but we know this isn't true from the start of the books. Waymar Royce is given command over the ranging in the prologue with far more experienced, and lets be honest, capable NW rangers solely because of who is dad is.
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    LF, Sansa and the Vale

    If I remember correctly, there is a force of roughly 600 Northmen that Roose Bolton left behind on the Trident before the Red Wedding under Ser Ronnel Stout and Kyle Condon who would most likely be very loyal to Robb/Edmure. We don't know what happened to them, and it's possible they are dead/captured by the Mountain or melted away, but they are a definite possibility to aid the Blackfish. Likewise you do have the Brotherhood and you know Edmure and Tom O Sevens were able to meet alone, although I wonder if their past history would make it unlikely they could cooperate (Tom O Sevens came up with the "floppy fish" song making fun of Edmure for his ahem, issues, and Edmure seems pretty unwilling to forgive him ). I think Jeyne being in the prologue is a good indication that the Blackfish/Brotherhood/maybe Northmen will most likely attack Ser Forley Prester who was in charge of escorting Edmure and Jeyne Westerling to Casterly Rock. A decent bet that Prester is the prologue POV I think. The only other thing I could see is Blackfish going North to either Greywater Watch or the Wall (the exchange with Jaime about Jon may have been a ruse as we know the two Tully men are already headed to the Wall as well) but I think these are much less likely. I also can't see him going back to the Vale.
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    Sam in basic training

    I agree with this in theory, but in practice the NW having standards doesn't really work. If the NW had any standards, it'd basically be empty and it is already dwindling. The NW needs manpower and it needs it badly, they don't have the option to sit back and judge recruits' competence and fighting ability- they need to take whatever they're given and make the best of it. And as has already been said, with the lack of reading, writing and basic intelligence at the Wall, Sam should have been a bit of a prized recruit, not to mention that he's the trueborn son of a major Lord in Westeros.
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    Meanwhile back at the Wall

    Yeah it continues to be a bit of a mystery how and why Jon and Bran were able to connect like that...it could be any of the things you or I have mentioned. Or maybe it's simply Bloodraven/3EC helping out, or maybe it's just because Jon and Bran are the two most advanced and powerful wargs of the Stark children and that is why Bran has been unable to connect with anyone else through their wolves. It is the same with Bran's dream. In Bran I ASOS, he gets woken up by hearing Hodor as Summer and tries to ignore it until he is shaken awake by Hodor as well. This all makes perfect sense to me, but I'm still hung up on the "certain ploy" reference. It seems to very clearly differentiate the "ploy" from rescuing Arya. Perhaps we are misreading it? But that seems unlikely. Paraphrasing Mance, he says he needs the spearwives because it will help him gain Arya's trust and they will help him carry off a certain ploy. That "and" and the "certain" makes it seem like there is no other way to understand Mance's words except as to separate the ploy from rescuing Arya. So the question becomes what was that ploy if Winterfell was in ruins and Mance never expected anyone to be there? Does he want access to the crypts of Winterfell for an entirely different (maybe magical reason?) and why do the spearwives help him with that if he expects Winterfell to be abandoned at the time? I think perhaps the only way to view all this is in the context of making a connection with some Lords in the North maybe, and that's why he specifically seems to pick spearwives who have a certain loyalty to the Starks and the North (and again maybe the "spearwives" aren't really spearwives?). I don't see any kind of special protection for Jon. I see Mance seeing an opportunity to gain inside knowledge of the Wall and use it to his advantage. That's it. I don't see how sending Jon off with the Magnar and Jarl who are specifically told to keep an eye on him but make use of his knowledge is protecting Jon...those guys hate Jon and want to kill him. Again I think all this is as simple as Mance seeing an asset he could potentially use. Mance gains nothing from killing Jon insofar as he thinks that Jon is unlikely to escape and harm his plans...that's why he tells Magnar and Jarl to keep a close eye on him. And Ygritte ties Jon even more to Mance's cause and Mance is smart to see that...the one thing nobody anticipates is that Summer is lurking around and is about to create the ultimate distraction allowing Jon to escape (again maybe 3EC helping out?) Yes I think me and @Azarial may have gotten sufficiently off-topic here: my apologies @Clegane'sPup if that is the case. I would love to see you start a new thread to discuss just this @bemused.
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    Meanwhile back at the Wall

    I'll get to this a little later below. He's out that time in the crypts when he reaches Jon I think. That's the 3 days line. But here's what Bran thinks shortly thereafter- "Here in the chill damp darkness of the tomb his third eye had finally opened. He could reach Summer whenever he wanted, and once he even touched Ghost and talked to Jon." This obviously suggest Bran has a lot of control over when he reaches Summer and that he was responsible for reaching Ghost as well. Well, the distance thing I only think about because Jon couldn't sense Ghost if I'm remembering correctly when Ghost was north of the Wall and Jon was behind it. But I guess that's the magic of the Wall and the warding more than anything- it's like the wights can't cross unless they are brought through before being animated I guess. Maybe but I don't think Bran is always "out", or at least I don't think he always needs to be out. After Jojen chides him for not marking the tree in Bran I in ASOS Bran replies that "I could go back and do it now, if you like." I'm not sure that Bran is "out" when that chapter begins with Summer- Jojen says "you were gone too long" but its unclear how long. It could just be in the context of an hour or something or it could mean days like the 3 days in the crypt. And Bran is woken while his mind is in Summer, Hodor wakes him up when he starts hearing Hodor hodor. I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one, but I just don't see it this way. I don't think the issue is how you're explaining it, you explain it quite well and I enjoy reading your perspective . Here is the sequence of events: 1) I don't think Jon eats the stuff even in that chapter. I think that's the chapter before. 2) Ghost is acting kind of strangely while Jon is still awake. His ears prick up and then Jon tries to get Ghost to cuddle with him for warmth when he sleeps but Ghost just turns away and Jon thinks he wants to hunt. This is how the connection plays out to Ghost: Again, this just really seems to me like Bran is doing all the initiating here. Good point about Barrowton. I'm still just confused about where the spearwives stand relative to Mance's ploy...because he does say the spearwives will also help him win "Arya's" trust, but he also mentions that "other ploy." Knowing Mance and his love for Bael, I feel like it would make more sense for him to always be planning on going to Winterfell, but if the wedding was at Barrowtown as Mance was leaving why would Mance need spearwives to go to what he thinks is probably a deserted Winterfell? Hmmm...so many questions here. Well, I agree Mance's story of why he turned seems a little pathetic, but I also think like everything with Mance, he is about personal freedom or liberty or whatever you want to call it. Qhorin says he was born a wildling and was just returning home when he left the Wall, the wildlings are all about doing what they want, when they want, and they lack the ability or desire to be disciplined and obedient. I think from a symbolic perspective, Mance's story makes a lot of sense especially when you consider it in light of GRRM deciding to introduce Mance by having him sing "The Dornishman's wife", a song which is all about freedom and personal liberty. I've always been curious about the wildlings and their connections to the Starks, it certainly seems like Mance/Ygritte really believe in Bael the Bard and believe they are kin with the Starks. There seems to be a lot of wildlings that have a sort of reverence for the Starks- like Jon is quick to throw around "I'm a son of Eddard Stark" when he's trying to win the wildlings over from Stannis and at the weirwood grove, and it seems to work pretty well. Of course conversely there are true wildling raiders who don't give a fig about the Starks like Rattleshirt, Harma, the Weeper, etc. but those guys just seem to be monsters who dislike everyone anyway. I don't really see Mance trusting or protecting Jon too much...he lets Orell's eagle savage his face when he lies to him, he seems to be on the verge of killing Jon until Ygritte lies about sleeping with him, and then he sends him off with the Magnar of Thenn and allows him to kill Jon at the first sight of disloyalty, etc. Mance just knows Jon's value in terms of what Jon knows about the Wall, etc. and sees how he could be used to help bring along the fall of the Wall.
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    Meanwhile back at the Wall

    Yes that's what I meant. I wonder how long the raven has been around and whether he was with Qorgyle and at the Wall the whole time, or whether Mormont found him somewhere and brought him to the Wall. The rest of my quotes were pretty jokey but I still do wonder about him eating Mormont's face- it seems like such a graphic description and just sticks out to me. I've always wondered about that chained winged wolf thing too- seems like it must refer to Bran but maybe it could refer to Jon as well. Thinking symbolically and visually, you think of the Starks as the wolf side of that and then you could go Bran-3 eyed crow-Bloodraven as the winged portion. You could also go Jon Targaryean as the winged portion for Jon. Heck you could even go wild and connect Sansa to the falcon of the Arryns and say she's the winged wolf. But I still lean towards Bran since all the imagery of the 3 EC and the "you can't walk but you can fly" stuff. I think he was freed before this but don't quite recall. Yeah, I mean that's what I find so interesting- like it just seems like the raven goes from Mormont to Jon without a second thought, either by the raven or by Jon. Which does make me think the raven is linked to command. Aemon? Doesn't Aemon sort of call Stannis/Mel out right away for their bullshit when he has Sam describe "Lightbringer" and then basically dismisses it? Yeah I agree it seems impossibly stupid, but it seems like a pretty common description of Brandon as a hothead who reacts very impulsively. Who knows? We can only wait to see if we ever get clarification on that. Well Jon hasn't done this kind of thing yet- I believe it may be Jon's first "wolf dream" and the whole thing is about opening Jon's 3rd eye, just as Bran had his 3rd eye opened by the 3EC Jon is having his opened by Bran. It would make sense Jon would remember it more since not only is it his first time, but it's happening to him. Bran remembers it vividly, he's just not sure whether it actually happened or it was a dream. Jon is similar in that respect but he has more of a connection to Ghost who got attacked and injured so it would make sense Jon would have more knowledge and more connection. Is this true? I mean I don't recall, but I don't recall Jon really having any sort of connection with Ghost prior to this Bran incident, while Bran has been consistently wolf-dreaming since the beginning of AGOT. Ghost maybe "mentally" called out to Jon in Book one but I consider that more the magic of the moment (kind of like a one-time thing with Dany/birth of dragons) than Jon being a stronger warg or having a better connection with his wolf. Is Bran always asleep? I think he definitely wargs Summer while still awake. That's like when he has the convo with Jojen about marking a tree, etc. to give Bran more control. I think the Ghost stuff is more about the magic beyond the Wall than any special ability on his part. All the direwolves can sense danger, and I also think the 3EC/Bloodraven his helping Jon out too through Ghost. I think it's more likely the 3EC warged Ghost or somehow led him to that cache. Long story short I think Bloodraven is obviously very involved in the fight against the Others and that's what Jon is closest too along with Bran. I think all their connections are the same, and in terms of distance and time apart, I'd say Arya is most impressive since she's wolf-dreaming across the narrow sea. I don't think Shaggydog is in control, I think he's responding to Rickon's extreme anger and emotional state just as when Jon becomes angry, so does Ghost, etc. Arya and Jon, and perhaps Robb but we don't have his POV, all do it naturally. I don't see how you could say Jon is in better control, there's no way Jon could mark a tree, etc. and try and do some of the stuff Bran is trying to do. I'd say Jon and Bran are pretty similar in that they lose themselves, like when Jon starts feeling hunger when Ghost returns to the Wall and doesn't realize it's him at first. Jon for the most part doesn't even seem to realize what's happening when he's warging Ghost, whereas Bran is doing it consciously. But that makes sense to me since Bran is being trained by the 3EC whereas Jon doesn't really have any training, just like Arya. The Mance stuff is so interesting to me not only because he's one of my favorite characters, but there's just so much unanswered. Mance mentions the "other ploy" and it seems like the washerwomen are definitely needed for it, and it doesn't seem like Mance ever even bothered to go to Longlake. Could Mance have been intercepted before Longlake somehow and found out that "Arya" was still at Winterfell and headed straight there? Or was he just always planning on going there? It seems like he was based on his "other ploy" remark but it's unclear. Obviously the Bael the Bard stuff is replaying itself out for Mance- Bael originally hid in the crypts with the blue winter rose to escape the Stark in Winterfell- perhaps "Abel" is just looking to do the same with the Boltons. And I also wonder whether the end of Bael's story is predictive...if you recall Bael's son became the Stark in Winterfell, killed Bael in the future, and then was skinned by a Bolton. Is Mance gonna be skinned by Ramsay like the PL says?
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    2017: Sons of dragon, 2018: Fire and Blood, 2019 ..

    I hope that it's mostly completed and basically ready to publish with just some minor adjustments/edits. My real hope is that publisher is just waiting for the final season of AGOT for maximum press coverage and that the book will be released either shortly before or shortly after the final season airs.
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    Meanwhile back at the Wall

    I always wonder about that damn raven...is there any indication how long he's been with Mormont? Did Mormont find him or did the raven outlive Mormont? Does every LC get that raven? Why does Mormont put up with the raven if he finds him so damn annoying? Why does Jon put up with it? Why did the raven eat Mormont's face after he died? So many questions and so few answers . Yeah to be clear I don't think Aemon knows at all either haha or otherwise he'd probably think of Jon as AA/TPTWP instead of Dany. Brandon's supposed to be a pretty good swordsman, while LF is a joke. I can't even see Brandon taking him remotely seriously as it's such an unfair fight. I don't really think of it as a "fight" in that way. I can't see any other way of interpreting Brandon's actions in going to KL and calling out Rhaegar...impulsive is putting it lightly haha. It just seems like Brandon is a total hothead (pun intended) based on the descriptions of him. But yes, you could be right that there's more to learn about it. I still see it as important that Bran is in the crypts at the moment this happened. It just seems very clear that at least early on in the books (and honestly continues through the most recent ones), Jon is heavily connected with those crypts. He has multiple dreams about them in AGOT, and with the continued focus on them per Lady Dustin/Theon/Mance in ADWD I see them as being rather important, particularly to Jon's arc. Personally I don't see the direwolves as having any kind of special unique powers- meaning that I think of them more as extensions of each of the Stark children. They seem to adapt their child's personalities, but outside of that I can't recall one instance where a direwolf portrayed some kind of unique power other than being badass wolves and having premonitions/spidey senses. So I would view it more as either Jon reaching out to Bran or vice versa. And knowing where each particular one of them was at that moment as far as where their warging powers were, Bran was far ahead of Jon so it would make more sense to me if Bran did that. I still just have trouble with the idea of Benjen leaving his post like that, again unless there's some sort of crazy magical reason why a Stark must be in Winterfell. And that still raises the question of what Benjen has been doing this entire time since basically the beginning of AGOT when he disappears- there is a period of several months if not a year (I'm not good with timeline but I would guess it has to be at least 6 months?) between when he disappears to when Ramsay sacks Winterfell and Bran/Rickon leave. Is Benjen just chilling North of the Wall waiting for Winterfell to be sacked? I don't see him sitting by while Winterfell and its inhabitants are endangered, particularly Bran/Rickon so I can't see him being anywhere near Winterfell at this time or knowing what is going on. If we are to see Benjen again in the books, I'd think he'd be North of the Wall doing something with the Others.
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    Sam in basic training

    @Katerine459 answered this as well, but it's clear Chett is talking about the Order of the Stewards in general and not Aemon's steward specifically. No one man could possibly do all those things and it's especially clear that Sam's job as Aemon's steward does not include any of those responsibilities, nor did Chett's. I don't necessarily think Aemon was treated worse under Chett, but he certainly wasn't treated better. And again, as has been mentioned, nobody forced Aemon to change stewards- he made that decision all on his own. Jon made a persuasive argument but it was Aemon's decision and Aemon is much smarter than Jon so I would go with whatever Aemon decides anyway- Jon isn't gonna outsmart and manipulate Aemon now is he? Are we calling it a "soft spot" that Chett doesn't want to murder Aemon ? Chett is a monster who wanted to betray and murder the Watch at the first sign of hardship. He wanted to leave the Watch to be overrun by the wildlings and didn't have a second thought- you really think that dude would stick around to help Aemon if the wildlings showed up at the Wall? Chett ended up at the Wall because he stabbed a girl who didn't want to sleep with him, again he is a monster.
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    Meanwhile back at the Wall

    Interesting. I don't get that impression at all but I appreciate the effort and the outside the box thinking . I could see it more with Aemon although I don't think anyone knows either besides for maybe Mormont's raven/Bloodraven. I think it's fair to argue there is both an "ice" and a "fire" side to the wolf-blood, even though wolves are linked to Starks which are certainly linked to ice and winter. My meaning being that like you may say Ned is more of an "ice", his brother Brandon is clearly more of a "fire". Arya has a mix as well I would say, because if we're linking ice to cold and calculating and fire to passion and impulsiveness then you certainly see Arya react in both ways to things (like good call on the Harrenhall guard being cold and calculated, but then on the other hand you have the Tickler and Arya taking out all her rage on him). Finally I want to add that I didn't feel like going back through the thread to find your response to the Jon/Bran- Ghost/Summer thing, but I do recall that Bran afterwards in the crypts thinks that Bran himself "touched" Jon through Ghost. I mean that's not necessarily him saying I was the active one, but it seems like it. And when you think about what actually happened there it would make sense Bran was the impetus as he's the one "touching" Jon to get him to open up his 3rd eye more. Yes good point. Plus I don't see such a minor character, and a septon at that, being able to pull off the Hooded Man scheme. I think Hallis Mollen and Harwin are safer bets for the Hooded Man. We have no idea where Mollen is, last thing we heard if I remember correctly is that he was with the escort for Ned's bones back to Winterfell and we don't know where he is, or if he even made it before Theon took Winterfell. He makes sense as someone who would talk to Theon that way- with a certain familiarity but not enough for Theon to know right away who he was. Harwin is a tougher sell because it's implied he's still with Stoneheart as of the end of AFFC/ADWD. Brienne describes a northman who is interpreting Stoneheart's speech which seems like it may be Harwin although it could be one of the other Northmen who was with Beric initially.
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    Sam in basic training

    Perhaps I missed this, and if I did I'm sorry, but in what way is Chett superior to Sam as a steward? In any way? And I mean I know this didn't play into it, but we learn later on that Chett is a total monster who would betray the Watch at the first sign of trouble. But let's put that aside...What is Chett better at than Sam as a steward? And maybe the Watch is best served by putting Chett in charge of the dogs? Doesn't seem like it because again, Chett is a monster and he seems to be basically good for nothing. But again, I think we can safely say Sam is more intelligent than Chett and he's certainly more compassionate and sympathetic to Aemon than Chett is. I don't think you would try to argue that Chett took better care of Aemon than Sam did? And one last thing that perhaps plays into this: In the case of stewards, it seems they are being groomed to replace the person they serve. Like Jon is the Old Bear's steward, maybe the thought is Sam could replace Aemon eventually. Chett could never do that.
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    Jon Snow

    I don't think it was something about Jon's looks...Cat heard the servants in Winterfell talk about Ashara Dayne being the mother and confronted Ned about it. I don't think it had anything to do with Jon's looks as far as I remember.
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    Meanwhile back at the Wall

    You think Mormont knows who Jon really is? Could I ask you for quotes, etc? Really interesting. I do think Mormont's raven certainly knows who Jon is but not so sure about Mormont. That is a really interesting quote you found in Harrenhall. Speaking of the crypts and how they may relate to Jon, I've always been so intrigued by the passage in ACOK where Bran somehow reaches out to Jon through Ghost from the crypts in Winterfell. Why? How? We haven't seen Bran do that with any of the other Starks like Arya who we know is also a warg...Is Jon just more powerful than Arya? Or is it again something with the crypts and Jon? I also find it interesting that when Jon goes off in the practice yard, he's thinking about the time Robb says he could never be Lord of Winterfell. I mean, it's certainly a sore spot emotionally for Jon and I could understand that...but I still find it interesting how Jon's "wolf rage" is connected to his bastard status that way. The other time that sticks out to me where we see Jon's "wolf strength" or whatever you want to call it is a really odd moment, because it's sort of glossed over and nobody ever remarks on it. It's when the Weeper leaves the heads of the rangers Jon sent out near the Wall with those spears. It's stated that it must have taken the wildlings half the night to drive the spears in, yet Jon just plucks it from the ground like it's nothing while it takes at least two guys per spear to get the other ones. He also lifts Thorne clean off the ground one handed at one point I think.
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    Sam in basic training

    It seems to me it's made pretty clear that Thorne is a total joke who only has his job because he was knighted (something GRRM makes a further joke of through the Hound and guys like Amory Lorch, Clegane, etc.). Thorne is not doing anything he does to prepare recruits for battle- he is taking out all his frustrations and resentments over how his life turned out on the recruits. And granted, I think it's understandable that Sam is really a unique case. That point is driven home over and over again with how "craven" Sam appears to be to Jon and the other recruits. But yeah, the idea that JOn has to go to Aemon to save Sam when the Wall is in desperate need of both literate smart maester-types and Lordly characters to help with recruiting/imaging is pretty ridiculous. It shows the sad state of the Watch more than anything I think. And it's also interesting that Sam is allowed to be treated so poorly knowing who his dad is...We know that Waymar Royce was essentially given a ranging command just because of his dad, you'd think Sam would get special treatment as well unless maybe it is well-known that Randyll hates Sam.
  23. Tagganaro

    Meanwhile back at the Wall

    Interesting, I'd love to see @redriver original theory on that...it doesn't seem like there's a lot there to me but it's certainly interesting. The Liddle's are definitely a piece of the puzzle as why do you include Liddle meeting Bran there unless there's some kind of payoff. I'd like the Benjen theory a lot except for the fact that Theon shows no sign of recognition of him. I get that there's a blizzard and he's hooded, but GRRM describes their eyes as having met, and I would think between eyes and voice Theon would recognize Benjen who has been to Winterfell multiple times while Theon has been there. Yeah I really need a re-read of Bran's time with the Liddle as I vaguely remember it. It does seem to be incompatible as you would assume the Liddle would readily recognize Bran as a Stark with the identifying direwolf with him and you would think he would try and protect him. I suppose it's possible he has some sort of "magical knowledge" similar to the Reeds and he knows Bran needs to to the North, but that seems unlikely based on him saying not to go there. As to this, hmmm...I think I could justify it both as a rescue mission for "Arya" and maybe even more so a revenge mission on the Boltons. I know one of the clans warriors says he just wants to die with Bolton blood on his hands...I could see hatred of the Boltons unifying the Northern Clans as it has the Northern Lords...but at the same time, I certainly see your point especially if Liddle has relayed that Bran is alive to alll the Clans and then your'e getting into GNC territory for sure. This is really interesting. I would say that my biggest reservation with Benjen being the HM is two-fold- like I said above I don't recall Theon showing any remote sign of recognition. There is a line about oddly not being afraid of the HM, which may go to your ghost point. Secondly though, Benjen seems like a pretty hardcore NW member, unless there is some extreme magical reason why a Stark must be in Winterfell that relates to the Others and the NW I can't see Benjen abandoning his post like that. But yes, if you're rgith that there's a magical reason i could see it. It's interesting about the snowstorm...for lack of a better term, who do you think the Old Gods would hate more, Stannis or Roose/Ramsay? Both of them are sort of extreme antagonists to the "old way", with Stannis per Melisandre burning the Old Gods and Roose/Ramsay spitting in their face by participating in violating guest right and betraying the Starks. The snowstorm seems to be more hurtful to Stannis, but I guess it is also really screwing up stuff for the Boltons so i could see it.
  24. Hypothetically speaking, I wonder how different Joffrey would have treated Sansa if the incident with Arya and "Lion's Tooth" never happened. Up until that point he treated Sansa relatively well, but then that happens and I think GRRM even includes a line towards the end about Joffrey having like revulsion in his eyes towards Sansa. We know Joff is an insecure little shit, I'm not sure he ever forgave Sansa for that incident and the shame/embarrasment it caused him. Not sure that it really matters...in the end the Lannisters and Stark initial conflict was gonna happen, but I even wonder if Joffrey had liked Sansa a little bit more maybe he allows Ned to go to the Wall, etc. We see that Joffrey is at least capable of somewhat guarding his psycopathic tendencies in front of Marg Tyrell, I just wonder if it would be remotely possible for the same thing to have happened with Sansa.
  25. Tagganaro

    Meanwhile back at the Wall

    There is a lot of GNC stuff about the spearwives- I recall a theory about one of them being Crowfood Umber's missing daughter who was abducted by wildlings when she was young. The fact that one of the "wildlings" snaps at Theon for saying "Winter is coming" by screaming at him "Don't say Lord Eddard's words" is....highly suspicious to say the least. Have we seen any other wildling show that kind of loyalty or passion towards the Starks? As far as magic goes, perhaps Mance is seeking out the crypts to find the real Horn of Joramun? Just throwing stuff out there haha. Oh and there's another thing which I haven't seen discussed in this thread. My own sense has always been that it's one of the Northmen that Ned sent out with Beric who is now spying for Stoneheart. People seem pretty attached to the theory though that the Hooded Man Theon sees is actually like a fight club Tyler Durden kind of thing where Theon is actually "talking" to himself. Theon has just so snapped that he's created another identity. I don't buy that but it seems to be pretty popular. Ah yes that's it Rowan is the one who throws the Stark words back at Theon. Out of curiosity, why do you think Myrtle is a man? Is there a suggestive description or something?
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