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  1. Woman of War

    How Daenerys will die

    Sorry, my mistake, wrong thread. Sometimes I still look into book threads though not very much new can be discussed by now. I did not pay attention. You are right of course. Delete whoever wants to. But I think something similar, though maybe not as brutal, some guy who makes use of her, will happen in the books as well.
  2. Woman of War

    How Daenerys will die

    Why in childbirth? Dany could have a healthy child, could survive giving birth as a perfectly healthy woman and then decide to go and save the world, sacrificing herself. Being a young mother would not have to stop her from being brave and creative. Nor would being a young father stop Jon. The result though might be the same in the end: there will be a child with one or both parents dead and Tyrion takes the responsibility for his double nephew. Or for the baby of two people he cared for. There has always been the possibility in Tyrion's story to do better than his father Tywin did: will he poison the wells? No, he won't.
  3. The fight of Sandor and Brienne was one of the highlights among the show-only scenes. Two so very dedicated and charismatic actors. And the outcome was a litmus test for me: I may like Sandor as interesting fictional invention - but I like Brienne as character much more. And there is a long forgotten scene, the talk about their marriage between Cersei and Robert from the first series, not very present anymore among fandom. It was great.
  4. What are you saying? A rape isn't a rape if the rapist believes it isn't rape???
  5. I did not see it as anyhow sexy or romantic in the books either, I found it hugely disturbing, but it was not meant by Martin to be so very disturbing. The way the helpless girl gets aroused by the big male beast when the author should have written about fear, pain and disgust from the abused child. This is what annoys me in Martin's writing here. But let's leave the topic, I don't think we are so far apart from each other here.
  6. Yes, of course the "marital" rape of Dany in the show makes me hugely uncomfortable! But the point is: it is meant to make the watcher uncomfortable, it is brutal, cruel and straightforward rape, not romanticized at all. A clear description of an awful situation. While in the books Martin romanticized the abuse of a very young girl, suggesting that the frightened and shy child would be easily aroused by her abuser, rape turned into vanilla romance ideology. The situation may be glorified and on the surface easier to digest but the ideology behind it is imo gross: She doesn't really dislike it, she'll come around as soon as you do it. An abuser's wet dream. Now I am sure that Martin really, seriously intended to romanticize the situation, it was a different time at the beginning of the nineties and the awareness for the topic of child abuse was much lower. I bet Martin would never have written it that way today and the show corrected an error from Martin's side. I love Martin's books but we can find some misogyny even in the works of the greatest writers. If the show had given the situation the same way Martin did back then there would have been a shitstorm about rape ideology all over the web. And rightfully so. This way the show made a clear statement and preseted a disturbing and ugly act of marital rape as such.
  7. Woman of War

    the Stigmata of Melisandre's murder

    I think Jon's second life is no more than a borrowed one in any case. Anything else would imo be sweet but trivial and sugar coated, sorry and sad to say so. Jon just can't go on as if nothing had happened, happy ending and all. "You have been dead? Don't be such a pussy, take a shower and get on with life!" No, Martin would have far too much respect for the enormity of having been dead, for death as ultimate human mystery in philosophy, mythology and religions. I believe he would not allow a character that was dead to go on as if nothing of significance has happened with him or her. See the changes that happened with Beric and even more so with Lady Stoneheart. If the show went "by the book", then Jon's wounds would stay open like stigmata, he would not age, his hair would not grow and so on. Nothing of all that is a topic in the show but it should be by all story logic. This btw is the reason why Lady Stonheart could not be in the show, too obvious, everyone would have asked the same questions about physical changes in Jon. But all this will, I believe, be a topic for Martin. Resurrected Jon won't be a normal young man with scars over his wounds, who ages and before that has a happy family. So the idea of Jon's life being linked with Melisandre's, as MizasterJ wrote, is clever and very much possible. Sad but one possible story answer to deal with Jon's borrowed life.
  8. Woman of War

    Who is the luckiest character in ASOIAF?

    Call no one lucky until they die paraphrasing Tom Waits
  9. Woman of War

    What's the basis for Cersei's claim to the Iron Throne?

    We have been prepared for Cersei's move many seasons ago. She played that liitle game with Baelish: "Knowledge is power" - ? No, "Power is power" !!!! We are not supposed to find the deep inner logic in Cersei claiming the throne. She does because she can - at this moment. Power is power, even if ephemeral.
  10. Did Varys speak to a dying man? Did he speak to Kevan because he suddenly felt like confessing or because he loves his own voice so much? No, Varys did not speak to the dying man before him, he spoke to the ears hidden in the walls, his own little birds or some other informer who was to be convinced of having heard a big secret. He counted on them to transport the message about Aegon to those whom Varys wanted to believe the story. This does in no way mean that he, Varys, himself believed what he said to Kevan.
  11. Yes, you did. Jeyne has so far not turned out pregnant since her mother secretly fed her moon tea.
  12. Woman of War

    Lyanna casting appreciation

    Lyanna is not only sixteen years old in the series. As younger teenager she was nearly Ned's age, meaning she can't have been much younger than the young Ned actor. And she would nearly be the age of Sean Bean if she were still alive. Now let's assume that Ned is supposed to be only three or four years older than Cersei and Jaime, they are forty at Blackwater. That would make him forty five as oldest at the beginning of the series, maybe fifty now and Lyanna a little younger if they were alive. Jon is at best twenty five now, nearly twenty at the beginning of the series, so Lyanna would have been twenty five or more at Jon's birth. Does this all fit? Has Lyanna been in her late twenties and behaved like a reckless teenager who can't be bothered with writing home? Certainly not. Meaning calculating the age of characters and evaluating the ages of actors with logic is quite pointless.
  13. We should stop this now. If you desire to have the last word you can do another spiteful post after me, enjoy. If Martin had written Dany's wedding night the way he did today I would call him insensitive at best or even misogynist. But he did not. I think it is great that the show presented Dany's wedding night as what is was: abuse and rape. If they had done it with the same accent Martin used there would have been a shitstorm in the Web, and rightfully so. But they did not. I am done with that topic and nothing you write can change my opinion. But this exchange is not about convincing me or anyone or defending poor Mr Martin, is it? I do not care about what it is, go on without me. This thread is too interesting to get locked, we will all behave.
  14. @sweetsunray And why is it sooooo unthinkable to you, such a horrible desecration of the Holy Book that Martin might do something differently if he did it again? Hasn't he himself said that Tyrion's tumbling in AGOT wasn't the best idea, that show Osha and show Shae were great? It can in no way be offensive against an artist if I imagine he might do things differently under different circumstances. It's not diminishing Martin's work as a whole, everyone can be criticized. I do not really know what Martin thinks and you do not really know but rethinking one's artistic work is a healthy process. But what I know for sure is that he is in no need of protection against any of my infamous suggestions. Be his white knight if you like but he does not need you against me. I love his books.
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