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  1. RobertOfTheHouseBaratheon

    Will Jon and Sansa lead refugees to Essos in TWoW?

    But the world building of Westeros takes place throughout Feast & Dance. Why flesh all that out then leave the continent in the next book?
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    Will Jon and Sansa lead refugees to Essos in TWoW?

    But unlike Westeros all the Essos details are very shallow. The Tattered Prince is a good example. We hear he wants Pentos but that is about it, no history of family claim, no back story, no rivals. Why? He needs motivation to switch sides & the simplest motivation is gaining land. GRRM needs ppl to back Dany to tie up the Meerenese knot, Essos isnt important for the story so he gives Pentos to the Tattered Prince. A lot of the detailed Westeros world building takes place in AFFC so saying it's just the first 3 books is wrong. And the world building carrirs on through ADWD particularly in Dorne & the North. Essos is important in that I think the doom of valyria holds secrets that might cast new light on the ancient history of Westeros, the origin of magic or TPTWP prophecy. How we learn that I don't know but I don't think the major action will take place there.
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    Will Jon and Sansa lead refugees to Essos in TWoW?

    I think somethings are there for world building purposes. I dont think Tysha will ever show up again, she's a nod to readers. To me Essos hasnt been built up culturally any where near as much as Westeros, it appears to be a means to provide Dany a place to practice ruling & some foreign forces to land with. The battles will happen on Westeros. To me it would seem even stranger after all the world building in Westeros the books leave it behind to take place in Essos for the remaining time. Martin is heavily influenced by Tolkien & wants to paint a living breathing world & that means they'll be stories, details & world building that is not linked to the main plot
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    Will Jon and Sansa lead refugees to Essos in TWoW?

    Like the Vale, Mel being on hand at Jon's death is a massive smoking gun & the show contriving to get Mel back to the wall for Jon's death has i think conclusively proved she will resurrect. We know the hints from ADWD indicates Shireen's burning isnt too far away & we can see from Val that the wildlings would not stand in the way given her reaction to shireen. Why show this if it isnt to explain why they are not going to stop the burning. Added to that Stannis left the Queens men behind so all of his men left at the wall would not question any request by Mel. I agree the resurection was way too contrived in the show, they have no doubt skipped the time Jon will spend in Ghost's body & the ressurection ritual. I think the reason the resurrection ritual was so glossed over is because of Shireen's death being a part of it. It also would make the Stannis-Jon dynamic interesting. Euron sent victarion to Dany's side, it stands to reason he would take men to Aegon's as well. He can see the targs could be on opposing sides & is hedging his bets. He will prob be the one to finally kill Aegon & take his forces then in a position of power try to marry Dany and/or take a dragon. What is crystal clear is Aegon & Dany will fight. It's been forshadowed plenty. I think Cersei will be gone by then judging on how the show has merged her with Aegon. She is a spent force in the books & i dout Euron was bigged up so much to join Cersei & lose to Aegon. Aegon must win to have the war with Dany, also having a long war between Cersei & Aegon would add extra story for no reason. We kno that George doesnt plan his book's timelines massively or the war between Dany & Aegon would have happenned in the book called A Dance With Dragons. It will take half the book to get her to Westeros, then we'll have the war with Aegon for half the book & it will end with the others in full invasion mode. I am of the opinion that GRRM will need 3 books (or poss more) to end this story.
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    Will Jon and Sansa lead refugees to Essos in TWoW?

    The show merged Cersei & Aegon to make Cersei Dany's main enemy, hence the first few episodes focused on getting the factions that back Aegon on Cersei's side, Dorn, Highgarden & Euron. The books are pretty clear they'll be another Dance of Dragons between Dany & Aegon the show just made it Dany vs Cersei instead. I'm guessing in the books Cersei will die when Aegon takes Kings Landing. So Dany will land Westeros & fight that war, that's probably about half the book. Stannis will prob be caught in the war against the others following victory against the Boltons but I doubt it will play out like the show. It seems clear to me they put Shireen with Stannis in the show so he could burn her to give him a tragic story arc, in the books Shireen's at the wall so she'll burn without his knowledge. I think she'll burn as the kingsblood sacrafice to bring Jon back. But the sad thing is we'll know it isnt needed as we've knowledge of Dondarrion & UnCat (plus the fact that sacrafices have repeatedly done feck all)
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    Will Jon and Sansa lead refugees to Essos in TWoW?

    I've never thought of it that way, you could be right. We hear the vision as he tells Davos & what I got from it was that he knows his path leads to his death but does it as it's his duty. Looking at the series it seems clear to me that they gave Stannis's role to Jon in defeating the boltons the & I think it's reasonable to think there will be a confrontation with Dany which could lead to him burning by dragon flame. I think a meeting like that would be fascinating as I imagine that would cause personal conflict with a part of Stannis that'll believe it his duty to bend the knee to Dany. I just think the Vale is a massive smoking gun. GRRM has given Sansa an impregnable fortress, army unweakened by the wars & provisions that Little Finger has been gathering for years. It must play a part. Also there is Bran's vision in GoT when he's dreaming of Jaime, the Mountain & the Hound going to the Vale to find Sansa. I think that means that very soon into WoW Sansa's identity will be reveiled, Jaime & the Hound will each travel individually to try to protect her & Cersei will dispatch the Mountain to kill her. Not sure why Cersei would let the Mountain leave her side but maybe she knows it's all over for her at that point & it's her last bit of revenge?
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    Will Jon and Sansa lead refugees to Essos in TWoW?

    Interesting, the show seems to be heavily forshadowing a last stand at Winterfell but that might just be one of many last stands. Stannis's vision of himself burning seems to imply he'll be roasted by Dany presumably for refusing to bend the knee. I think I'd retreat to the Vale tho if I were Jon into the arms of a well provisioned Sansa. In the show Cersei replace Aegon so Euron, Tyrell & Donish all will fight for Aegon. That's why Euron sent Victarian to Dany so there was one of them on each Targ side.
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    Definitive List of Plot Holes [SPOILERS]

    I hear you but what i am saying is it could be the events of the long night that made Stark blood have the greenseer or whatever is needed to be a white walker. It is clear the CotF made the walkers using their magic. So walkers could prob have been made from anyone so long as CotF are willing to do it. They arent willing anymore but there is magic left in the Stark's blood hence the ability to Warg. Night's King knows this so targets them. All I'm saying is this isnt a plot hole it'd just information we havent learnt yet.
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    Definitive List of Plot Holes [SPOILERS]

    Yes sorry, i always get the names the wrong way round
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    Definitive List of Plot Holes [SPOILERS]

    Yes but it is clear that Jeor doesnt know they are being taken by wights. He thinks their deaths are an offering to the "crueler" gods of the Wildlings. It doesnt counter anything I've said.
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    Definitive List of Plot Holes [SPOILERS]

    It's not overt but the hints are there, I'll have to re-read the Craster interactions for some quotes but it gets drilled in AFFC with the stories of Stark daughters being kidnapped by wildling leaders that there is Stark blood both sides of the wall. Craster is set up as being half way between the 7 Kingdoms & Wildlings, considered an outsider to the wildlings. I think we need to seperate the visuals from the show with the story. The Wights look like that to look cool not much else, besides how can you judge age of what is essentially an alien race. I would also assume they have magic that would speed up the aging process. There were Starks before Craster so no reason why the Nights King couldnt have used them and as I say the book makes it clear there is Stark blood both sides plus a long stream of them manning the wall. What Craster does is give the Night's King a steady supply of stronger than norm stark blood children & possible is one of the reasons the Nights King is strong enough to start attacking men. Jeor knowing about Craster giving his sons is show cannon only. Think the books are consistant with him being a skeptic of the walkers until the attack of one inside castle black in AGOT. Now it might not be just Stark blood, it could be the blood that gives greenseer powers like Bloodraven has, we know that runs in the Starks. The long night was so long ago we dont know what happenned, Brandon the hero is suggested to be the first Stark. Did he need to have these magical propeties in his blood to do it, or did whatever happened to save the world give him this power (& maybe not just to him but to his companions & their decendants too).
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    Definitive List of Plot Holes [SPOILERS]

    Dont think it's been mentioned in the show but the books hint at the reason behind this. I doubt the show will reveal it so dont think I'm spoiling a reveal. The Wights need to have Stark blood. It is strongly hinted that Craster is a long lost Stark descendant. His babies not only have Stark blood but have been inbred a few generations so the strongest Stark blood around really. That is also why Benjen was almost turned into a Wight & how the CotF saved him. He's not going to have been killed straight away but taken to the Nights King for transformation.
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    [Book Spoilers] EP408 Discussion

    I did try to make a new topic about this, looks like it wasnt approved but is Robin being merged with Harry the Heir?
  14. RobertOfTheHouseBaratheon

    Do You Like The Audio Books By Roy Dotrice?

    I've only heard ADWD. I wanted to reread the book but I don't have time anymore so I got it with my free audible trial. It took a bit of getting used to, I started reading after the TV series so already had all the voices for the cast in my head. Hearing Roy's very different Tyrion and Dany was hard at first but I've gotton used to it. I sort of retranslate them in my head into what I think they should sound like but maybe that's me being a bit crazy. I can honestly say you do get used to it and if you haven't used audible yet get it for you're free trial. When you're at work doing something menial it's nice to have it read to you and it isn't too bad when you get used to the way he reads it. Thinking of the series though and the difference between the books I think asoiaf is ripe for an epic radioplay when done. They wouldn't have to change anything and can cast different people for the different roles. It would cost a massive amount for a radioplay but would be so worth it.
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