Melifeather

The weirdest bit was Sansa's necklace. We saw Littlefinger crush Sansa's necklace, so how the hell did Pycell get it or one that looked exactly like it? In that Rolling Stone interview with GRRM there was this: That killing happens early in this fourth season. The books, of course, are well past the poisoning of King Joffrey. In the books – and I make no promises, because I have two more books to write, and I may have more surprises to reveal – the conclusion that the careful reader draws is that Joffrey was killed by the Queen of Thorns, using poison from Sansa's hairnet, so that if anyone did think it was poison, then Sansa would be blamed for it. Sansa had certainly good reason for it. Doesn't it sound like GRRM is hinting there's more to Joffrey's poisoning than we suspect? Last week when Cersei asked Margaery if she still wanted to be Queen I thought, what the fuck? Wouldn't it be a real pisser if Cersei was in on the poisoning? It's a crazy idea I know, but Tyrion says, "if there's one person I'm sure of that didn't kill Joffrey it's Cersei." That's just too good of a line to not be true. Oh the irony! Think about it. Cersei was losing control of Joffrey, and there's also this from the Rolling Stones interview: I don't know if somebody like Jaime or Cersei can be redeemed. Cersei's a great character – she's like Lady Macbeth. Well, redeemed in whose eyes? She'll never be redeemed in the eyes of some. She's a character who's very protective of her children. You can argue, well, does she genuinely love her children, or does she just love them because they're her children? There's certainly a great level of narcissism in Cersei. I would argue that Cersei viewed Joffrey as "hers", and when he wasn't "hers" anymore, she wanted him dead.

:bowdown: Wonderful as always. I saw that you had posted and skipped straight to your Mercy analysis. Loved it!

how about unGregor Clegane?

Yes. On the Heresy thread, Black Crow disagrees with me that Bloodraven was "lured". He thinks he became the "man in the tree" out of a sense of duty, but I think he was lured or promised something like Bran was promised to fly.

Bran being with the Children does parallel the Last Hero being with the Children, and you've sparked an idea within me! That's probably how the position currently being held by Bloodraven got started, because I don't think he was the first greenseer in a tree. The reason why Arya could be lightbringer ties into where she is now. You could look at this story as being inspired partly on the astrological ages. It would be difficult for me to explain in just a few sentences, so I'll provide a link to a post I made in the Heresy thread explaining Ages: http://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/topic/76591-heresy-28/page__st__380#entry3821721 Arya is the representative of the Age of Aquarius, which is supposed to bring enlightenment to mankind. Everything about her character has been linked to water and the moon.

People on this forum mix up the Last Hero and Azor Ahai a lot, but they are not the same person. We don't know what happens to the Last Hero, because his story is left unfinished. All we know is that his story begins during the Long Night. He goes in search of the Children of the Forest with his dog, a sword and 12 friends. All his friends end up dying one by one, and even his dog dies, and his sword breaks from the cold. How could this be the same person as Azor Ahai if his sword breaks? He finally finds the Children and they provide him with Guest Rights. But the story ends here. Meanwhile, Azor Ahai has the flaming sword Lightbringer and he is successful in defeating the Others, but he is an Eastern legend. I have heard some posters venture that the story of the Last Hero was brought to the East and then embellished until he became Azor Ahai, but I haven't read any textural evidence that supports that.

Um...two very influential threads: Heresy (we're already on thread #28) and Howl at the Moon. I now am pursuing evidence for two different theories regarding Lightbringer, so I haven't settled on just one. One is that Daenerys dragons are Lightbringer, and the other is that Arya will be Lightbringer. As for Melisandre...she obviously is a priestess of R'hllor, though not as powerful as I once thought. She does have some abilities, but they're mainly one of mind control over others. She has her own agenda, which I haven't figured out what exactly that is. She could be a double-agent, like a spy, only using Stannis like Moqorro is currently using Victarion. I'm leaning towards her as being against Jon, at the moment, and that she has only been appearing as helping him in order to gain his trust so that she can destroy him. If that is true, then she's behind the pink letter and she and Mance are in cahoots. I think Mance is a follower of R'hllor also after his conversion by the wood's witch.

What a difference a few months make, plus being influenced by the Heresy thread, my earlier posts that you've linked from July and August no longer reflect my feelings towards Melisandre and Lightbringer.

WHAT the heck??? LOL

It's not a real word. lol Skin, skinned, skun and skunned...I guess the people that say it think its the past tense version! lol Minnesota rednecks, I guess!

Do you want to know what word that I happen to hear a lot that drives me nuts? "Skunned". As in, I skunned an animal. Drives me insane.

I don't think Bran has progressed to the point where he knows if he's looking at the present or the past.

Widow's Wail was a suggestion thrown out at court within Joffrey's hearing. He liked it and named the sword Widow's Wail. Jaime named the other sword Oathkeeper because he wanted to fulfill his oath to Catelyn to bring Sansa and/or Arya home...even though he gave the sword and assignment to Brienne to complete.

^ You two are being silly. Yes, when Ned had the sword it was called Ice. Tywin had Ice remade into two swords, one of them Jaime named Oathkeeper. Lady Stoneheart made the comment that it should be called Oathbreaker. End of argument! :cheers:

It's also worth noting that he did not play up the San/San relationship as much as the San/San fans were hoping for.

Sorry, but the poison scene with Cersei and Tommen was only the TV version. It's not in the books. That was my favorite episode, though.

Yes. That was my assumption also, that all three would be crowned before they died.

From the wiki: There is widespread speculation that Brienne descends from Ser Duncan the Tall. A shield bearing his personal arms was in the armory at Evenfall Hall, and Brienne later used these arms when she was traveling in the Riverlands. Though Martin confirmed that a descendant of Dunk appeared in the books he did not give a name.

I think Podrick and Brienne are a version of Egg and Dunk. And I believe I read somewhere that Brienne is actually a decendant of Sir Duncan.

Try this: http://georgerrmartin.com/if-sample.html

Do you think Cat, or anybody for that matter, really knows or understands what Petyr has done? I think his actions are still secret, but Sansa is starting to learn. My wish for the series is for old man Frey to be killed by Lady Stoneheart! And for him to realize who she is right before his head is cut off, or something equally gruesome!

Lady Stoneheart is not going to be open to anymore do-overs when it comes to Jaime. It would be more likely if Brienne and Jaime fight their way out of this one.

Hopefully we won't have to wait 5 or more years for the next book! I really haven't been able to get intereseted in any other books since reading these!

I've read the entire series twice and neither time did I think Jaime and Brienne love each other. You're seeing way too much into their thoughts and reactions. Thoughts and bodily reactions can be unconsious, random and unedited.

Where is this supposed "love" between Jaime and Brienne coming from? I think they have mutual respect for each other, but neither one is attracted to the other sexually or romantically. I'm sure GRRM has an interesting storyline planned for Jaime and Brienne, and I suspect it includes Jaime as the valonqar, but I cannot see Lady Stoneheart allowing Jaime to get away (in her eyes) a third time. As for Lightbringer and Nissa Nissa...the sword is already forged. Why would it need to be plunged into anyone's heart a second time?