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  1. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    What I am wondering is if the elderly First Men were sacrificed to create white walkers rather than dragons.
  2. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    The Targaryens were very secretive about how the eggs could be hatched, but when Aegon II heard that Morning "hatched" he desperately tried to hatch dragon eggs - which sounds like something deliberate needs to be done. Unless a living dragon is capable of hatching eggs? But you'd think when there were living dragons that they in turn would have had multiple egg hatchings.
  3. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    How can you be so confident that two kings weren't sacrificed for every dragon born? It's not like there ever was very many of them at one time. I think bastard children became more commonly sacrificed and were referred to as "dragonseed". What is a seed if not to grow or germinate something? If the old First Men and wildling tradition of the elderly men leaving the house to go off and die was a thing, then surely it's within the realm of possibility that an aged dragonlord would allow himself to be sacrificed along with a bastard child in order to hatch a dragon egg - especially if he believed he would be transformed into a dragon.
  4. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    Ninja'd by Tucu, but exactly what I would have said. There does seem to be a "recipe" for hatching dragon eggs. The Targaryens once knew the secrets of the dragonlords and built Maegor's Holdfast and the Red Keep with secret passages in order to contain those secrets. Some of the ingredients have popped up separately from each other, such as the power of kings blood and that two kings are required to wake the dragon. King Aegon V had both Prince Aerys II and a pregnant Rhaella at Summerhal when the tragedy occurred. Aerys II, Rhaella, and newborn Rhaegar survived, but King Aegon V, Prince Duncan, Ser Duncan, and likely Jenny of Oldstones, did not. They perished in the flames. King Aegon V believed if he could hatch dragon eggs that he could bring lasting peace to the realm. Looking at the list of people in attendance and comparing them to what worked for Dany, it does look like Aegon intended for Aerys II, Rhaella, and Rhaegar to be part of the ritual, only instead of sacrificing Aerys II and Rhaegar, he sacrificed himself and his son, Duncan. Perhaps Aerys II was safe, because he wasn't in the direct line of inheritance, because after the tragedy Jaehaerys became king. It does suggest, however, that Jenny of Oldstones was perhaps pregnant when she died.
  5. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    It's an interesting theory and would help with the father and son dying in sequential order or at least at the same time. When Drogo is "saved" through the tent ritual he was in a zombie-like state. It was if he wasn't really alive nor was he really dead, but he also wasn't animated like Coldhands or Lady Stoneheart.
  6. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    I don’t think so, because the Targaryens were only one family that were dragonlords. Many other Valyrians successfully hatched dragon eggs.
  7. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    Did he? I think you're thinking of Mirri's resurrection causing Rhaego's death and that Dany smothered him after? He was already dead or dying of corruption. If he wasn't already dead, why would she need to "bring him back"? Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but I think technically Drogo was dead, then resurrected, then killed a second time. Maybe they just need to die together?
  8. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    That she successfully managed to hatch dragons could be considered evidence that Bran could have hatched the white walkers - or at least someone else if they also were trained to become a greenseer, which I suspect Euron at one time was. Although Euron also claims he drank the same blue liquid Dany did and managed to obtain a barrel of it, which he continues to drink from. Why drink it if there's no access to the black barked trees? Maybe unlike the weirwoods you don't have to be physically connected to them? While the books do have many parallels there are also lots of examples of inversions, and this may be one of them. Instead of trying to trap Bran they want him to stay of his own free will and help them. Exactly as Leaf would have us believe. Funny you should mention the color "grey", because it's also a color associated with maesters, as in Lady Barbary calling them "grey rats". I have brought up the idea before that Rickard Stark may have converted to the Faith of the Seven and became a knight, going so far as to also wanting his sons to become knights by sending Ned at the age of eight to Jon Arryn to be his squire along side Robert Baratheon, and then securing a marriage alliance with the Tullys - another southern house that practices the Faith and knighthood - when Brandon was around 12 years old. Being that this is a full six or more years before the Rebellion, his actions don't appear to be connected to some secret conspiracy, but rather of a man that earned his spurs after being influenced by the grey rat, Maester Walys. This is actually what I have come to believe is the real meaning of "southron ambitions". Rickard adopted Andal ways. I believe Bran's desire to become a knight was part of Maester Luwin's influence, but Jojen and Meera were sent to put a stop to that and broke the "grey" chains of the Faith. Dany proved that it is important to kill first the father and then the son so that both die as kings as being important to the dragon egg hatching ritual. Then you have to burn the woods witch/priestess in their funeral pyre. This is the recipe when working with fire. There aren't four or more kinds of magic. Magic is magic. The only difference is the recipe used to get different results, but there is a commonality and that is sacrifice. Death is required to pay for the different sort of life. It does appear that the Black Gate is new enough to have been installed when the Common Tongue was adopted, which hints towards an Andal takeover - a theory much discussed under the Heresy umbrella. Yes, it would appear Winterfell is warded against water. I'm thinking your intention was to be humorous here, but IMO you are closer to the truth than you've imagined. Throughout the mythological stories of the past "water" has been weaponized and used in wards. It was the first weapon the Children used to discourage the First Men migration when they called down their hammer - breaking the Arm of Dorne, flooding the Neck, and perhaps creating the Iron Islands. The second use of water was to ward against air - the Storm God - and protect the humans that were now experimenting with magic at Storm's End. Elenei was just an analog to describe how man took magic to "wife". Winterfell too, has been warded against water, as JNR has pointed out - the crypts should be filled with water. The third use of water was the bringing about of an extended winter - which froze the water. The fourth use of water was to introduce air into the recipe to create white walkers. The fifth use of water, now paired with air, was to create the Wall.
  9. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    Would you say his chains are broken then? I'm wondering if Jojen's greendream of a chained wolf was of the future and not of the present. It would appear that he's brought Bran to the cave of skulls to become chained.
  10. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    It hadn't dawned on me before (about the trees), but since you've pointed it out I'm quite on board.
  11. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    You bring up an interesting point, because Dany's entrance into the HOTU was very similar to Bran's entrance into the Children's cave. The blue drink that allowed Dany to see these past, present, and future visions - was this really all that different from the weirwood paste that wed Bran to the trees and allowed his access to the past, present, and future? The trees are slowly consuming Bloodraven and they will consume Bran in the same way. If Drogon sensed Dany's fear and helped her escape, why didn't Summer do the same and help Bran escape?
  12. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    So you're saying it's sorta like Ned's fever dream only awake and on hallucinogenics!
  13. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    Jon could certainly be one interpretation of a blue-eyed king with a sword glowing like sunset that casts no shadow. If he dies and is resurrected, it's possible that his eyes would turn blue. Jon himself dreams of wielding a burning sword. I wonder if a magical creature would lack a shadow? Perhaps he wouldn't be 'casting' a shadow, because he isn't casting spells, therefore he's neither a white nor a black shadow. He'd be something else.
  14. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    Greyscale and wightification both seem to be side effects from casting spells using water and air. Greyscale is just the flip side of the same coin as wights. If we do a side by side comparison you'd see the similarities and the inversions. Greyscale is contagious via touch. - Wights can make other wights if they kill you. The fog agitates the stone men. - The cold wind rises the wights. The Sorrows is a watery place. - The North is a "sea". Greyscale traps the living inside their bodies. - Wights are able to rise because the spirit is trapped in the bones.
  15. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    Aemon Steelsong was larger and more robust, while Monster was smaller and quieter. Gilly was noticeably sobbing on the ship, and her parting words with Jon are pretty solid proof that she left her natural child behind. Val did notice. She's the one that nicknamed him Monster. I think the wildlings recognize greyscale as a negative side effect of magic and fear it, which indicates a level of experience.
  16. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    IMO 'blue' equates death. When combined with 'flower' I think of something blooming. Stab wounds 'bloom' bright red. In the Cat of the Canals chapter 'blue' is paired with 'lantern', which in my opinion is symbolic of death sparking or lighting magic. Lanterns are 'lit' - they contain flame. Lanterns are also associated with magic, as in the Green Lantern, who I might point out got his powers from a green meteor. Applying this to the blue flower we get death causing something to bloom. At the end of Dance Jon is stabbed and dying. It would appear his death may bloom - but bloom what? Gilly's Monster could also die and bloom. He is Craster’s son after all. Craster's wives believed the cold gods would smell his new life and come for him, so he too could 'bloom' a different sort of life.
  17. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    Are you asking in what way could the stone kings be a lie? It could be a lie that they're dead. The iron swords across their laps suggest the need to prevent the crypts from opening. Their tombs are stone "eggs". As for lie spawning - Ramsay claims he has Mance in a cage. Is that true or did someone else write the Pink Letter? It appears that soon there will be a repeat of the Lord of Winterfell joining with the King Beyond the Wall to take down the Nights King. Is it possible that Joramun was also once held in a cage? I think the old story is a lie and the actual events were more like the current one. Certainly the old-guard of the Watch could say they had to mutiny against LC Jon Snow, claiming he was "ensorcelled". He was caught "sacrificing" the integrity and safety of the Wall by allowing the wildling Others through. Will the wildlings continue on to Winterfell even if Jon has to be left behind? Will they attack once they see Mance in a cage? Or will they be forced to join the current Lord of Winterfell?
  18. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    Dany includes the 'stone kings' in the list of 'other beasts'. The entire passage is about statues that she saw. Stone likenesses of lords, animals, and other creatures. I realize this is a fantasy novel, but real world comets are lucky to be visible for a few months. I think the last time the comet is mentioned in present tense is when they call it Joffrey's comet in ACOK Sansa chapter 1 since it was said to herald Joff's ascent to the throne. Bran VI describes a gate as a black iron snake. Of course we know it's not an actual snake: Bran VII is when the great winged snake that roared flame is mentioned: Bran/Summer describes seeing a black iron snake 'coiled' about the bar and post of the gate. The rest of the description makes it sound like the black iron snake was a chain. So while I agree that the great winged snake isn't an actual snake, I don't think it was a dragon either. It certainly had the shape of a snake - long like the chain - but it had a 'roar' that looked like a river of flame. Couldn't this description simply be smoke and fire shooting high into the sky? Maybe Maester Luwin had flammable liquids in the tower that exploded?
  19. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 217 Dreams and Dust

    The wording is what tricks us into thinking "dragon", but I think this is open to interpretation. Dragon eggs have the appearance and weight of stones, and I think this is our clue. What else is made of stone and could "hatch"? I suspect this is in reference to the crypts. Some of the old Kings of Winter have risen - the ones with missing swords. The rising Kings of Winter could be likened to a "great stone beast". If they left to go in pursuit of white walkers they could be said to be "breathing shadow fire". When someone is running away from an enemy, the enemy can be said to be "breathing down our necks". The white walkers are made of ice - they are white shadows. To kill an icy white shadow you'd need a fiery dark shadow blade. My interpretation of 'Winterfell' and 'Winter is Coming' indicate to me that the Starks defeated winter, becoming Kings of over Winter. The icy cold hell is the standing guard, and the ability to call them back from the dead to fight. Mummers don't necessarily have to mean that Aegon is a fake. Mummers are actors, or rather 'players' - as in players of the Game of Thrones. Therefore the mummer's dragon just means that Aegon is in their possession and that they will be backing him.
  20. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 216 The Return of the Crow

    Or Mance Twix. I had assumed Twix was a contraction of betwixt, making it a candy bar to be shared between two people.
  21. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 216 The Return of the Crow

    RHAEGAR Targaryen or Mance RAYDAR? Which one has the different German meaning?
  22. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 216 The Return of the Crow

    From now on every time I see Orys Baratheon I'm going to read it as "Oreo".
  23. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 216 The Return of the Crow

    The feather was black and white, if I recall, and those colors could suggest a blending of ice and fire, however I don't see Robert as being someone that would have had that kind of insight, even if he believed Rhaegar abducted Lyanna. I also seem to recall some discussion on the possibility that it was from a guinea hen. The guinea hen was used in medieval times to symbolize a person with steadfast beliefs and a defender of their faith. If the show is trying to incorporate some of these faith elements - their motivations, and/or conspiracies with the Faith Militant etc, etc, then I could see the show attempting to identify the seven aspects of the Faith with Robert as ther Smith. Then the feather placement would be evidence to suggest that Robert believed he was a defender of his faith.
  24. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 216 The Return of the Crow

    I recall that we debated the feather significance, but cannot recall what was said. I do remember that Robert left it there, but that's about it. My thoughts as well, but the show hasn't been very good with symbolism nor with demonstrating a wheel of time other than Dany's words (which aren't in the books): I am leaning towards the show using the statues as foreshadowing of the deaths of Jon, Sansa, and Arya and making that the 'bittersweet'. One of the reasons why I think it's meant to be foreshadowing, or like you've suggested, a dream, is that they showed a Catelyn statue. The show has never shown Catelyn's body being found nor even a mention of making a statue, therefore I don't think they are trying to demonstrate a wheel of time with this scene. But the voices of the dead speaking and the noises in the crypts makes me think that the dead Starks will rise to help win back Winterfell as their allies. The three statues then are meant to show that the dead are their allies in the fight to come.
  25. Feather Crystal

    Heresy 216 The Return of the Crow

    I agree. I think he was a bastard brother though. Has anyone viewed the newly released GOT trailer?
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