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  1. NymeriaWarriorQueen

    Red Flags: Dany = Meereen Nobles

    I know that Mirri told Dani to leave the tent and that Jorah carried her in but I can’t help but wonder if Mirri’s chant had a specific target like Stannis’ shadow baby? Maybe that is the real reason Dany began going into labor and miscarried?
  2. Here is a link to the poster who was summarizing for others on this forum that reading from an earlier draft. I will also C & P the relevant part. Interesting that GRRM decided to later change it so it wasn’t so explicit. Many readers still got it without it being plainly spelled out for them though. I suspect D & D thought TV viewers would pick up on it too with their writing. https://asoiaf.westeros.org/index.php?/topic/49-pre-adwd-spoilers-daenerys-2-spoilers-for-adwd/&page=0 Dany thinks of her title, "mother of dragons," and wonders if "mother of monsters" is more appropriate. She despairs, thinking about what she may have unleashed on the world. She thinks that she is the blood of the dragon, and that if her children are monsters, then so is she. She looks at Ser Barristan and tells him that she told Xaro that she feared only one thing, though she would not tell the merchant what. Ser Barristan guesses that she only fears her dragons. "Myself," Dany tells him.
  3. Folks were analyzing Dany’s character as far back as the mid 2000’s or earlier. Here is a link to an essay which basically lays out her struggles with moral choices in Meereen. There is also a reference from a reading by GRRM in an early draft of a chapter in ADWD where he has Dany explicitly saying she feared herself. It was discussed at that time on these very forums.https://meereeneseblot.wordpress.com/2013/10/02/untangling-the-meereenese-knot-part-iii-danys-struggle-with-herself/
  4. NymeriaWarriorQueen

    Why didn't Jon simply refuse to accept banishment?

    Too bad we will never know for sure what happens next.
  5. NymeriaWarriorQueen

    Why didn't Jon simply refuse to accept banishment?

    I agree with you about Jon’s basic character being of honor and duty. I don’t think he would purposely disobey his oath unless somehow the oath and rules of the NW are more lenient now and not the same as before. Sam certainly seemed to have been released from his oath......so who knows what the rules are anymore....lol. I’m willing to settle for he is ranging in the North with his freefolk buddies and reporting back to CB from time to time.
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    Why didn't Jon simply refuse to accept banishment?

    That is assuming nothing has really changed. When Jon brought the freefolk beyond the wall and united them with the Northerners to fight against the Night King then essentially everyone was now free to wander anywhere they wanted in the North. Is there really any difference now between the lands that belong to the Nightwatch and those of the freefolk in the far North? Seems to me they are pretty much united and on good terms with one another. Jon or others of the NW can go and hang out with his freefolk friends all they want and I really don’t think anyone would care or think they are breaking their oaths as long as they don’t go too far south and then it might be a problem.
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    Did the writers confirm Jon’s ending?

    A few thoughts I had after reading your comments. I discuss and analyze on these boards at times as if there was no 3YR but if we believe that Bran truly saw the future ( since in a previous season he obviously saw Drogon in KL) then he knew how everything would turn out and just made sure all the pieces were in place to insure it. I guess he couldn’t say too much because it would possibly change the way things turned out. Makes you wonder why we bother to debate about what ifs and what could have been at all.. Maybe if there was NO BRAN then things would be different though....lol.
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    Why didn't Jon simply refuse to accept banishment?

    There’s also a scene with Tormund in an earlier season before Mance was executed IIRC in which Tormund told Jon he had spent too much time with the Freefolk and that he would never be a kneeler. It was scenes like this one, yours, and others that have made me feel that Jon was most happy with the freefolk, being in the North, and essentially doing what he is doing now. Jon has a servant’s leadership style and will sacrifice his needs and wants for the greater good when needed but that doesn’t mean that he is naturally happy about it. I was happy to see him with .Tormund, Ghost, and the freefolk because he would have been miserable as King in the South.
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    What was the purpose of Jon Snow?

    Maybe OT but I wanted to share this since we are discussing Jon. I read an older article yesterday which explained Jon’s leadership style and why people were drawn to him. https://medium.com/live-your-life-on-purpose/the-leadership-style-of-jon-snow-cdbf23aab9dd
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    The character assassination of Daenerys

    The key advice I took from that conversation was basically warning her about becoming like the masters which is exactly what happened when she turned brutal herself in King’s Landing. Dany pointed out to Jorah all the horrors the masters enacted on slaves like they were beasts. Jorah then told her that herding the masters into pens and slaughtering them was also treating people like beasts. He told her the slaves she freed had always suffered from brutality and she needed to show them something else........something better. Not just more of the same. He reminded her that it was tempting to see evil in all men but there is good and evil in all men in every war that had been fought. He reminded her that he had once sold men into slavery and how he was here helping her to show them to freedom. I agree with you that a good ruler knows when to use which approach and I feel the purpose of Daenery’s stay in Slaver’s Bay was to present her with situations where she had to make these kind of moral choices. For the most part she did a good job but it was evident that she was struggling with the side of her that wanted to correct moral injustices with fairness and compromise versus the part of her who wanted to react with brutality, fire, and blood. Unfortunately, she decided to make the wrong choice in KL when she was unable to control her worst impulses and slaughtered innocents which ironically was the very thing she had always been against.
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    What were Daenerys's plans for Jon in the long term?

    Oh, I agree with you about Sansa. Keeping secret that she had sent for the Vale plus breaking her promise to Jon about his parentage really irritated me but I suppose that means she was a good political player. I really would like to see how things turned out in 10 years or more. A lot could change if you use your imagination.
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    What were Daenerys's plans for Jon in the long term?

    I think it is highly possible considering he is the 3YR and apparently told them some things about Littlefinger that I think only he would have known.
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    What were Daenerys's plans for Jon in the long term?

    No. They are still the equivalent of WMDs and especially dangerous when under the control of a person (Dany) who you consider untrustworthy as the Starks did. Dany proved she was unworthy of their trust in Episode 5 and so the Starks were proven right.
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    What were Daenerys's plans for Jon in the long term?

    They were just trying to get justice without resorting to war IMO. From The World of Ice and Fire: What followed Prince Rhaegar’s infamous abduction of Lyanna Stark was the ruin of House Targaryen. The full depth of King Aery’s madness was subsequently revealed in his depraved actions against Lord Stark, his heir, and their supporters after they demanded redress for Rhaegar’s wrongs. Instead of granting them fair hearing, King Aery’s had them brutally slain, then followed these murders by demanding that Lord Jon Arryn execute his former wards, Robert Baratheon and Eddard Stark. Page 127 I have my problems with Sansa but at least she understood The North better than anyone else and used that to her advantage to win independence for The North. She most likely benefited from whatever the 3YR chose to share with her too about Dany’s past.
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    What were Daenerys's plans for Jon in the long term?

    The destruction of property and life that can be done with dragons and fire.
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    What were Daenerys's plans for Jon in the long term?

    Being friendly with Targarygens hadn’t worked out too well for the Starks in the past. Rickard and Brandon Stark went south in good faith and Mad King Aerys rewarded them by burning them alive. They probably knew she showed the Tarlys no mercy unless they kneeled down to her. You are right that Dany did help them defeat the NK which was a good move but they saw what destruction she was capable of during that experience and so remained not completely supportive of her to be their Queen. Starks tend to be cold and frosty anyway to outsiders such as Alaric Stark was to Good Queen Alysanne. However, Queen Alysanne won them over with her charm and wit and became close to Alaric’s daughter. Dany should have stayed in WF for a while to let her troops and dragons rest and spend some time on gaining their trust and friendship. Instead, she lusted for power and revenge against Cersei and in the long run lost Missandei, her dragons, and the faith and trust she needed from allies and the common folk to welcome and love her as a fair and merciful ruler.
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    What were Daenerys's plans for Jon in the long term?

    Expecting a thank you just shows that Dany has no humility and always expects that people should automatically love and follow her because of her specialness. Maybe she needs to read How to Win Friends and Influence People.
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    What were Daenerys's plans for Jon in the long term?

    Jealousy was already festering in Dany against Jon because the people loved and followed him as evidenced by her behavior at the feast at Winterfell. Already a seed had been planted for her to eventually depose of him too once she got angry enough. He would have been a whipped dog being chained to her and following her commands if he stayed with her. Glad he beat her to the punch.
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    The character assassination of Daenerys

    Since the clip didn’t appear in my previous post, I will repost it here. This is Jorah Mormont advising her not to be brutal. https://youtu.be/Hi4pEMoJ1kE EDIT: Nevermind
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    The character assassination of Daenerys

    You need to go back and rewatch. Here is a clip of Barristan Selmy advising her and telling her. It was advisors like him that kept a check on her dark impulses. Here is also a link to a clip of Jorah Mormont changing Daenerys mind when she was going to resort to her worst impulses. Watch around 1:20 for Jorah’s advice and then she changes her mind. SO you are wrong about Tyrion being the only one to ever stop her. You need to keep in mind that Dany was drawn to Daario because he complemented her violent and darker side. That is where she naturally wanted to go when angered. She was always battling the two sides of her personality and once all the right factors came in place(loss, grief, betrayal) she fully embraced her cruel and violence side and became a murderous tyrant slaughtering innocents and burning them just like her mad father.https://youtu.be/Hi4pEMoJ1kE
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    Why didn't Jon simply refuse to accept banishment?

    Yep..... Jon rides once again beyond the Wall, guiding the surviving Free Folk back to their home.
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    A Song of Ice and Fire meaning

    If you are referring to the book Archmaester Ebrose wrote then the original title was The Chronicles of the Wars Following the Death of King Robert I which Sam renamed A Song of Ice and Fire since it sounded more poetic.
  23. At the end of the day the person who is able to seize the throne by rebellion or conquest and then has the ability to keep the throne with the support of allies and the people is the one who has the most right to be the king. Titles and inherent right mean nothing if you are unable to seize power and keep it.
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    The character assassination of Daenerys

    Dany was always a favorite character of mine and I had hoped she would continue to embrace that side of her that protected innocents and valued high moral ideas. However, she always had a darker side especially when she was angry and felt injustice had been done. From the beginning, she had Jorah and later Barristan Selmy to ground her against her darker impulses. She wanted to be different than her father. Fate seemed to turn against her though when she lost her closest advisors and her children (Viserion and Rhaegon), and was betrayed by Cersei, Varys, Jaime, Tyrion, and Jon. She was isolated and so consumed with grief and rage that she succumbed to her darker impulses. Combining that with her strong belief that she alone was the rightful heir and deserving of the IT created a toxic recipe that led to the tragedy of her downfall. If the people of Westeros had rejoiced at her homecoming with open rebellion against Cersei then having the love of the people might have preserved that kinder and gentler side. As it was she snapped and took what she wanted along with revenge for those who did not support her through fear, fire, and blood.
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    Why didn't Jon simply refuse to accept banishment?

    It would be a new precedent and changing thousands of years of history if a king or queen exerted their power to change the rules and oaths of the NW. Somehow I don’t think Jon would like special treatment just because his relatives have power.
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