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    Why didn't Jon simply refuse to accept banishment?

    In the epilogue it appears he is getting ready for his departure and emerges in the same place he always exited as Lord Commander. He pauses at the top of the walkway and gazes down at the NW and the wildlings as if he was their leader and in command. I know he does not have on the Stark cloak that Sansa made him. When he arrived back at Castle Back it looked like he was wearing that cloak. Guess we will never know for sure.
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    Why didn't Jon simply refuse to accept banishment?

    Speaking of Lord Commander.......It looked like Jon Snow was once again wearing the Lord Commander cloak in that final scene. I wonder if he was elected Lord Commander again.
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    Why didn't Jon simply refuse to accept banishment?

    I just saw it as a way to keep the peace and avoid further bloodshed and war.
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    What was the purpose of Jon Snow?

    The thing is Bran who is now the 3YR was meant to be king all along. He saw it in the future and was just making sure that everyone was exactly where they were suppose to be to insure that future came to be. He told the council that is why he had come all that way. That is why he told Jon he was exactly where he was suppose to be. That is why he didn’t expose Jamie as the one who pushed him out of the window because he needed Jaime to go back to King’s Landing and for Tyrion to betray Dany by releasing him. Once imprisoned he knew Tyrion would convince Jon to realize Dany’s true nature and he could do something about it. Tyrion gave the dagger to Ayra so she would kill the Night King and that is why he was so calm as the NK approached him as if he knew he would survive. He set up Sam to tell Jon about his true parentage so as to cause conflict between Dany and Jon and his eventual rejection of her. I get that you don’t care for how things out. It certainly was no fairytale ending but it was never meant to be. It was meant to show us the conflicts and struggles of individual characters and their journey to the final end point which was Bran being the greenseer whose responsibility as the 3YR was to protect the realm from the ravages and destruction of ice, fire, and tyrants. At least this is how I see the story. Maybe it wasn’t fleshed out enough narratively for the TV series as it should have been but then again maybe it was suppose to make us think a little deeper about things.
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    What was the purpose of Jon Snow?

    I NEVER said he was partying in the North. Afterall, he killed someone he loved and is at a low point in his life. Luckily for him, he gets to be around people who love and respect him and accept him as the man he is. That should be of some comfort plus he is in the North which is preferable to the South for him. The wildlings would probably make him King Beyond the Wall if he wanted it. They are his true friends and that counts for something when you don’t expect to ever see your family again or you could have been executed. Not the worst ending in the world because it leaves open possibilities in the future. Death is final. Also.....Jon ignored earlier signals because he wanted to believe in the best of Dany that so many of us saw too. It was hard coming to terms that Dany ultimately chose the worst side of herself to kill innocents.
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    What was the purpose of Jon Snow?

    Jon united the North to fight against the Night King and helped break the barriers that existed between the wildlings and the rest of Westeros. He saved the North and the rest of the world from destruction and death by killing Daenerys before she could go on her world wide conquest of fire and blood. His sacrifice of choosing duty over love lead to Bran being the king of Westeros and an independent North and the restoration of the Starks with Sansa as Queen. Plus he got to return to the true North where he had earned the respect and love of the people rather than seeking a crown elsewhere which he never wanted or felt he deserved. Dany and Jon were presented with difficult situations and then we got to see them struggling with the choices they made in reaction to those situations. I think it is a character study into how their basic personality traits and life experiences shaped them and led two people with claims to the throne view their lives and values differently.
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    Master thread on what the Show means for the book plot

    Today I read some enlightening essays on Untangling the Meerenese Knot. The 2nd essay argues that the purpose of Dany’s stay in Meereen was to set up a series of tests that will test her values. One of the most interesting things I found in the 3rd essay was the essayist referring to an early draft of Dany for ADWD which reportedly GRRM read at conventions in the early 2000’s. In fact....it was paraphrased here on the forums. It appears that Dany is already struggling with her self identity and that she fears herself (going mad like her father or full blown Fire & Blood). The writing for the chapter was later changed so that the language wasn’t as explicit. Here are the quotes for comparison: My fears were burned away the day I came forth from the fire. Only one thing frightens me now.” “And what is it that you fear, sweet queen? “I am only a foolish young girl.” Dany rose on her toes and kissed his cheek. “But not so foolish as to tell you that.” (ADWD DANY III) She looks at Ser Barristan and tells him that she told Xaro that she feared only one thing, though she would not tell the merchant what. Ser Barristan guesses that she only fears her dragons. “Myself,” Dany tells him. (PARAPHRASED EARLIER DRAFT OF ADWD DANY III)s Here is the link to the essay which I highly recommend. https://meereeneseblot.wordpress.com/2013/10/02/untangling-the-meereenese-knot-part-iii-danys-struggle-with-herself/
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    What were Daenerys's plans for Jon in the long term?

    I found this post by CrypticWeirwood to be helpful in explaining Bran/3YR to me as well as the video link he provided.
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    What were Daenerys's plans for Jon in the long term?

    Once you understand that the 3YR’s role was to make sure everyone in this story were exactly in the right place to achieve what he saw in the future (Bran/3YR being King) then it just seems to me all these debates about Dany and/or Jon appear irrelevant. They both were never going to rule anyway.
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    I just finished the GOT books!

    She is obsessed in the books with taking the Iron Throne and believing she has an inherent right to it. She talks of burning cities and she enacts acts of cruelty when folks don’t bend to her will. She has dragons which are essentially WMDS. There is often a fine line between good and evil and balanced versus crazy. All it will take is losing her advisors who helped ground her against her worst impulses, grief over losing a dragon, another Targ heir and feeling isolated for her to give in to fear, paranoia and hatred which undoubtably will unleash her to go full Fire and Blood. Is is disillusioning to discover that a character you were lead to think would be the benevolent savior of the world is not ultimately that way. The realization is jarring and is the same kind of dilemma Jon faced in the show.....accepting the truth of who Daenerys really is. This is exactly the kind of story GRRM would write.
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    Bran Truly Was The Best Possible Choice To Rule

    Thanks for including the link to the video as well as your explanation. I subscribed to his channel.. I felt it was significant that he noted the 3YR was the winner of Game of Thrones rather than Bran when he concluded. I saw elsewhere today of someone noting there was a raven sitting on the throne with Ned Stark in a poster from Season One. No idea if that was meant as a spoiler at the time but interesting nonetheless. I understand that Bran’s journey is a compelling story. I was just questioning his ability to tell it to others since his speaking skills aren’t the best. However, he was apparently able to present it to Tyrion rather quickly that night and that was who needed to know in the long run. There is still much about the 3YR that is shrouded in mystery (at least for me) and I would like to know more.
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    Bran Truly Was The Best Possible Choice To Rule

    I just don’t understand Bran. What did Tyrion mean he has the best story? Was Tyrion entertained by what Bran told him and thought the rest of Westeros would be to? I don’t consider Bran a great conversationalist and the fact he could be a great storyteller just seems bizarre. How could anyone know for sure he is a force for good since we know practically nothing about the origins of the first 3YR which may not be Brynden Rivers. I just don’t see how anyone could make a judgment about him being the best choice given the limited information available. All I know from his robotic speech is that he really isn’t Bran anymore, he can’t be Lord of Winterfell cause he is the 3ER, Theon is a good man, that folks like Theon, Jaime, and Jon were exactly where they were suppose to be, and that he came to the council cause he knew he supposedly would be king. Is he a god or is he being used by the cotf? Just trying to figure him out gives me a headache. Hope GRRM gives us more about him than the show did.
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    Jon is a hypocrite

    If the people of King’s Landing thinking he is dishonorable solely because he assisted Dany during the siege then it would seem they would rebel against the new king, his Hand, and council members because they are culpable too. For all we know, they could be glad he betrayed and killed her after she burnt up their loved ones.. Personally, Greyworm and everyone involved aren’t smelling sweet as a rose. Jon was the only one to sacrifice himself for the greater good (no world wide conquering with fire and blood) and then accepting the consequences of his choice. Tyrion managed to talk his way out of an unpleasant fate as is typical of him. Bran could pardon Jon too if he foresees it was OK in the future.
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    Jon killing Dany doesn’t work for me

    I hope so. His story should be more fleshed out and understandable. The POV chapters on Daenerys will hopefully give us her internal dialogue so that we can see her descent into madness. All we got in the show was facial expressions which D & D had to explain in the recap prior to Episode 6 and then NO inside the episode at all at the conclusion of E6.
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    Jon killing Dany doesn’t work for me

    LOL.......Seriously though, do you really think GOT was meant to show a message of harmonious relationships and sharing power? It has always been about political gamesmanship, backstabbing, betrayal, and murder regardless of gender or familial relationship.
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    Jon killing Dany doesn’t work for me

    Dany has no right to anything. She failed at playing the Game of Thrones. As I mentioned in another post she lacked the political skills. You NEVER trust anyone (even lovers and kin) and her failure to recognize that Jon could get pass her dragon and kill her when her ideology didn’t line up with his was stupid. Littlefinger taught Sansa to consider all the possibilities and outcomes in her mind and Dany didn’t do that. She thought that claiming the IT was her birthright and that she deserved it. No humility. Just arrogance In summary.....she didn’t play the Game of Thrones very well and so she ultimately lost. She underestimated Jon.
  17. Exactly and she lost. She did not consider all the possibilities in her mind like Littlefinger taught Sansa. She never considered another Targ could get pass her dragon to kill her. She underestimated Jon and what he might do to stop her fire and blood vision of conquering the world. She didn’t play the GOT very well because her political skills were lacking. You never trust anyone in this game.
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    What were Daenerys's plans for Jon in the long term?

    The show has depicted Daenerys as being obsessed with claiming the Iron Throne since Season One. It has been the one constant about her so it doesn’t seem unbelievable to me that she would try to prevent or kill anyone who is seen as a threat to that goal. It is either see it my way or poof...you’re a goner.
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    What were Daenerys's plans for Jon in the long term?

    Heavens NO! Just reading your comment gave me the shivers. Frankly, I had never thought about this till you brought it up. Nightmarish stuff.
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    Dany the Mad Queen was a terrible idea

    This whole instance is an example of how Dany chooses fire and fear over other options to make people submit to her will. This was a bad choice if she hoped to ever inspire love and acceptance of her as a benevolent liberator from Cersei. It is particularly important at this juncture since she is a foreigner and newly arrived in Westeros. Certainly not the best first impression to make if you want to gain new allies. She doesn’t look like a better option than Cersei burning folks to a crispy critter. She should have just seized the Tarlys and imprisoned them. It would have been a more merciful and reasonable option.
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    What were Daenerys's plans for Jon in the long term?

    Jon was raised a Stark and identified with them. It was never shown that being a Targaryen was some transformative moment for him or that he wanted to enter the realm of politics and power to reform Westeros as you put it. The Targaryen bloodline was already dead because Dany was barren and so Jon did not end it by killing her. I agree we see things differently particularly in how we interpret a character’s psyche and motivation to behave the way they do.
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    What were Daenerys's plans for Jon in the long term?

    It was either murder her or take a chance on her murdering his family and him.She had proved her unpredictability when she decided to burn all the innocents in Kings Landing after the surrender. Too much at stake to trust that she might change. Jon made the right decision.
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    What were Daenerys's plans for Jon in the long term?

    Daenerys would have eventually tried to eliminate Jon because the seeds of jealousy and paranoia had already taken root. He just took her out first. One of them was going to die sooner or later.
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    What were Daenerys's plans for Jon in the long term?

    Honestly.....when Dany said that to Jon my mind flashed back to Darth Vader inviting Luke to join him and they could rule the galaxy together. I knew she had truly gone to the dark side then...lol.
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    Was Sansa aiming for Jon?

    I suppose Sansa was right in her assessment of Dany but it still aggravates me the icy cold reception they gave Dany when she arrived at Winterfell. It appears all the Northerners would have shown more interest about her time in Essos and the birth of her dragons. No curiosity at all? This brings me back to Bran. Was he like Dr. Strange and could see all the possible outcomes and was manipulating everyone to achieve the desired end? Bran as the ruler is so unsatisfying because we really can’t get into his head and see his true POV.
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