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  1. Sansa comes after Bran and Rickon in the line of succession, both of which were still alive at the beginning of the Battle of the Bastards. And if Jon is considered legitimized, he comes before her too. Both Jon and Bran could have taken the title, but both of them let her have it... As for Sansa being the widow of Ramsay Bolton, nobody cares about that. Nobody thinks Ramsay was the true lord of Winterfell... If so, then Jon, not Sansa, is Edmure's liege. Edmure swore loyalty to the King of the North, that is, Jon (that is assuming that Edmure still consider himself bound to the North after Robb's defeat and Jon bending the knee to Dany...) not to the lord or lady of Winterfell. So Sansa has no business telling Edmure what to do... And if Jon is still King of the North, Sansa has no say about the North being independent or not. It is Jon's call, or his heir Bran's call... But Bran chose not to claim his rights and let Sansa have the North, because he didn't want another war... And if Sansa (and Bran) did want Jon to be free and to become King of the North, they could just pretend to exile him to the Wall and reinstate him as KotN as soon as the Unsullied are out the way...
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    So where would you live ?

    Oldtown, Planky Town or Sunspear's Shadow Town...
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    How to improve the north economically?

    That sounds like a hard sales pitch... peasants starve during winter in the North on a regular basis... How do you convince southerners to go there? And it's not as if land is scarce in the south... Westeros as a whole is quite sparsely populated...
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    How to improve the north economically?

    People on the coasts could build ships and become fishers and whale hunters. They could sell timber and ores, or even crafted goods like tools, weapons, metalware, ceramics, furniture, musical instruments, paper... etc., during winter. The problem is, the western coast seem depopulated, the eastern coast besides White Harbor doesn't that populous either, and most people seem to live in small settlements inland... How do you send fish and imported food there, or bring their goods to the coast? The population is too small and too dispersed... frozen rivers can substitute for roads in winter (using sledges), but much of the terrain is montainous or at least irregular, so I am not sure you will get nice flat "ice roads..."
  5. When you sell your intellectual property, you are expected to support the work of the buyers... otherwise, you would be destroying what you already sold, and, who would buy another intellectual property from you again...? Yep. I could have been great, if they had bothered to tell the story, rather than going "SURPRISE! LOL! YOU DIDN'T EXPECT THIS, DIDN'T YOU!"
  6. About Bran and Sansa: Yes, they look like jerks, throwing Jon under a bus in order to get their thrones... Jon should be able to return anytime, nobody would care what the Unsullied or the Dothraki want... As I said, Jon should have killed by the Unsullied and Dothraki, or he should have been enthroned... having him survive but to be exiled is stupid..
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    [Spoilers] Episode 806 Discussion

    The Faith doesn't control the Maesters.
  8. But it is kinda absurd to say that, say the Vale hasn't the same right as the North to become independent because the Arryns have been ruling them as kings only for 6000 years... I think 6000 years is quite enough time to develop a national identity... Same goes for the Lannisters. Even the Nymeros-Martell are pretty old, a thousand years is a lot of time...
  9. Still, he wasn't an outsider. The Habsburgs were princes of the Holy Roman Empire, and he owed his imperial crown to that. He wasn't a foreigner landing on Germany with dragons... As for America, Charles didn't even know much about America when Cortez and Pizarro conquered Mexico and Peru. His main initiative with regards to that was to finance Magallanes's expedition to find a maritime route to Asia, to get into the spice trade, and to tell the Spaniards to keep the American money flowing... Then somebody told him about the conquest of Mexico and Peru, which was a pleasant surprise, but he never cared much for America save as a source of money... It was his son Felipe II who decided to stop adventurers and establish greater control over the colonization of America.
  10. The Hightowers were kings until conquered by the Gardeners. The base of the Hightower, their ancestral keep, is unbelievably ancient, predating even the arrival of the First Men to Westeros, having being probably made by some previous wave of colonists... The Lannisters were kings of the Westerlands (their official title was "Kings of the Rock") before the Targaryen. It is true that the Arryns are Andals, but, as Sam said, since the First Men didn't have a written history, the supposed age of their dinasties can't be taken seriously, since all those stories were written centuries after the Andal conquest. The Starks may be 4000 years older than the Arryns, or 400 years older, or maybe just 100 years older... we don't know... The Martells predate Nymeria by centuries or thousands of years. Nymeria arrived to Dorne, married the lord Martell, and together conquered Dorne. As a matter of fact, the true name of House Martell is Martell-Nymeros, a combination of lord Martell's and princess Nymeria's surnames. By the way, the Yronwoods and the Daynes were ancient kings of First Men stock... I said nothing about the Greyjoys.
  11. Yeah. So? The mothers of those bastards were still of First Men stock. Jon, Bran, Sansa, Arya, Rickon... etc., were all half Stark and half Targaryen or half Tully, but they still see themselves as descendants of the First Men, don't they? Completely different kind of beast. Leopold I's main attractive was his relation to the British royal family, which sorta guaranteed that UK would defend Belgium against France and Netherlands. Plus the people who wanted a king for Belgium were rich people afraid of what the republicans (that unwashed mob!) would do if allowed to take control... The situation in Westeros is completely different... if the North splits, why would the lords of the south want the northeners to meddle in southern affairs? As for Charles I = Aegon I... just not. Charles I wasn't a "Spanish Emperor". He was a the heir of the Spanish crown(s) (at that time the several kingdoms of Spain were still separate entities, even if the same guy ruled them all) from his mother side, and of the Duchy of Burgundy and of the Habsburg Austria from his father's side. He was voted emperor of the Holy Roman Empire by the electors (after spending a lot of money in bribes) thanks to his Austrian blood. As a matter of fact, Charles I grew in Burgundy and didn't learn Spanish (Castilian) until after being crowned King of Spain. He was seen as a foreigner by the Spaniards, and he brought lots of Flemish advisors to the court. Aegon I, on the other hand, was a conqueror. He landed on Westeros and told them "surrender or die". He conquered Westeros by raw force...
  12. So, are you saying that, after Jon was made King of the North, when he gave Sansa the title of Lady of Winterfell, he stopped being King of the North? Because Edmure swore loyalty to the KING OF THE NORTH, not to the LORD OF WINTERFELL. The difference may seem irrelevant to you, but it isn't. During the council Sansa wasn't queen of the North. Maybe Jon was still considered King of the North, since Dany was no longer around, but the fact is, Sansa didn't become queen until after seceding and being crowned in the North. Edmure may have seen himself as vassal to Jon, but not to Sansa. And I would add: While she is supposed to have grown smart and to have become a player, she is awful at it... unlike Varys and Littlefinger, who pulled strings behind everybody's back, she is openly confrontative. She doesn't conspires, she doesn't makes intelligent plans, she just whines and tell everybody they are wrong... I will say it again: What is the point of making an enemy from the woman with the huge army and the two dragons who can either destroy you or save you? What kind of plan does she offer to Jon and Tyrion when she tell them to stop following Dany? Yeah, she called the Valelords... that wasn't a stroke of genius, what else could she try to help Jon? she resorted to the only tool she had. Period. As for killing Littlefinger, that was his own mistake... he was clumsy, and he died for it... Once Littlefinger told Arya to kill Sansa, Sansa's only logical options were: To have Arya kill him in secret, or to denounce him openly and execute him in public. That's not being clever, that's doing the only thing you can do...
  13. Yep. The Iron Islands conquered and unified the Riverlands, their king were the Hoares and their capital was Harrenhal. When Aegon I conquered Westeros and exterminated the Hoares, the Tullies sided with the Targaryen, so Aegon made them Lords Paramount of the Riverlands, but he split the Iron Islands from the Riverlands and allowed them to choose a new king among their own... You know, it is funny how so many people who all "Hooray! Independence for the North!" are so in favor of starting a new hegemony with Winterfell at its head... they want Sansa to rule not just the North, but also the Iron Islands, the Riverlands and the Vale, and that makes no sense...
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    The Six Kingdoms

    Nope. Sansa wasn't the official ruler of the Vale; she just revealed that Littlefinger had killed her aunt, and the Valelords supported her against him, but Sweetrobin is still their Lord Paramount, and the guy sitting next to him (Royce?) is their de facto ruler. As for the Riverlands, they followed Robb, but I haven't seen any clue that they intend to follow Sansa too. They only sided with the Starks against the Lannisters because they were family... And anyway, Sansa treated her uncle like crap in front of the others... why would he follow her rather than Bran, who is his nephew too? When Sansa announced that she was going, Sweetrobin and Edmure remained silent, and Tyrion said "the Six Kingdoms", implying that only one of them was leaving...
  15. All the other Kingdoms were independent for thousand of years, and most of them were ruled by ancient families... The Lannisters, the Arryns, and the Martells are as ancient as the Starks. The Tyrells not so much, but the Hightowers are easily as old as the Starks... ALL of Westeros have the blood of the First Men. The Lannisters are descended from the First Men. The Hightowers are descended from the First Men. The Cranes are descended from the First Men. The Bracken are descended from the First Men. The Blackwoods are descended from the Firs Men. The Yronwood are descended from the First Men. The Daynes are descended from the First Men. The Tyrells and the Florents are descended from the Gardeners, who were a royal family among the First Men. Hell, the Farwynds from the Iron Islands, the Cranes from the Reach and the Blackwoods of the Riverlands have a reputation of producing Skinchangers due to their strong First Men's blood! As for the commoners, they all have more First Men blood than Andal blood... the Andals came as a warrior class of conquerors that intermarried with the nobility of the First Men, but the peasants were mostly First Men even after the Andal conquest...
  16. Actually, if you read the World of Ice and Fire, before the Targaryen conquest the Crownlands were divided into many petty kingdoms in perpetual state of war among each other. The Northmen and the Valemen raided each other constantly; the Northmen ravaged the The Three Sisters, raped the women and sacrificed the men to the Old Gods, hanging their guts from the trees, and the Vale answered in kind, attacking and conquering White Harbor. The Ironborn had conquered the Riverlands, and were at war with the Stormlands and The Westerlands. The Dornish raided both the Stormlands and the Reach. And then you have the wars within each of the Seven Kingdoms: Yronwoods vs Martells, Brackens vs Blackwoods, Boltons vs Starks...etc. The Targaryen were no saints, but the Westeros before them was a land in a state of constant war...
  17. When Jon was made King of the North, he made Sansa Lady of Winterfell. Sansa was the lady of the castle of Winterfell, but the lords of the North swore loyalty to Jon, not to Sansa. Then Jon bent the knee to Daenerys, so it was Daenerys>Jon>Sansa. It is unclear what tittle would Jon hold after bending the knee to Daenerys (Lord Paramount of the North? King of the North, but under the Queen of the Seven Kingdoms? Renly offered Robb a similar deal...), but Sansa was still his vassal... I will give you another example: The Tullies were lords of Riverrun, and Lords Paramount of the Riverlands. The Riverlords were vassals to the Tullies as Lords Paramount of the Riverlands. After the defeat of Robb, a junior branch of the Freys received the castle of Riverrun, but Littlefinger was made Lord Paramount of the Riverlands, and overlord of the Riverlords. Sansa was in a similar situation... she got the castle and lands of Winterfell, but the lords swore loyalty to Jon.
  18. Yep, but the Unsullied didn't find Edmure in Casterly Rock after taking it. Walder Frey (or was Arya disguised as Walder?) on the other hand, said that he was at the Twins... I don't think even D&D know...
  19. Honestly, that sounds like a flop from the writers... so Arya killed the Freys, but she either didn't release him or forgot about him? She didn't tell the rest of the family that she had released him, he didn't go to the North (did he stay in Lannister-controlled Riverlands?) or to Daenerys? Even if he was set free, the Lannister controlled the Riverlands. He had no troops. That's not how feudalism works. Jon was alive, hence Jon was Edmure's liege at that point... Or maybe not... maybe the Riverlands considered their feudal bond to the Starks extinct after Robb was dead and the North was defeated during the War of the Five Kings... Jon was the King/Lord of the North and Warden of the North. Sansa was the Lady of Winterfell as vassal to Jon.
  20. She is queen now, and she really needs the Stark surname in order to reinforce her kids' authority, so she will probably do it...
  21. They could have made Jon survive Drogon's fiery breath because Targaryen are fireproof, apparently...
  22. Actually, no.... Sansa's kids can change their surname to Stark... it has happened before.... As a matter of fact, the current Lannisters are a junior branch of House Lydden, not real Lannisters... They are descended from the knight Ser Joffrey Lydden, who married a Lannister heiress and took her surname...
  23. Edmure was captured by the Lannisters. I don't know what Cersei did with him, or how he did survive the destruction of the Red Keep, but he wasn't free during the battle against the Others and he didn't have any troops to send...
  24. Jon could not sit on the throne without either assassinating Daenerys or fighting a war against her and her dragons, which would most likely have ended with his death... Sansa wasn't doing him any favor... She was trying to either have him kill the woman he loved, or to be killed by her... that's not nice... And Sansa didn't even know Dany would turn a crazy pyromaniac... as far as she knew she was sane and helpful... The problem is, what she got, she did from her brothers's loss. Nice sister, she is...
  25. So what? If the president of France has more charisma than the president of Italy, the president of France becomes able to rule Italy? Sansa has not authority over Edmure, period. And people should have objected over her disregard of Jon's and Bran's authority and rights... Even if Sansa were able to pull a coup and take power in the North... none of the lords in that council were from the North, save Bran, Arya and Sansa (why was Arya even there? she held no title...). Why would they care about Sansa's popularity back in the North? Why didn't they say anything?
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