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  1. Gregor was an eight foot tall giant who had already been fighting for sometime due to his physicality, whose entire family had died under suspicious circumstances, except for the brother who Tywin himself had taken who had had half his face burned off. And Gregor ain't subtle. And Tywin did send Gregor to murder an infant.
  2. Sure, he did. He might not have been explicit in his commands, but he knew who he was sending. He makes a point of it, at some point earlier if using the right tool for the right job. He frequently uses terror and brutality and always escalates. He has ordered rapes before. As to why he lied about it, this is because Tywin likes to present himself as a rational, pragmatic man who does what he does for the sake of necessity. He can't very well admit the truth to Tyrion, can he?
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    Understanding MMD - a re-examination of her intentions

    I disagree with the op's position that Mirri intended to sacrifice herself in the tent. Her horrible impending death should he die is a compelling factor. It is a powerful motive for her to want to keep him alive. It makes more sense to me that she tried in good faith to restore Drogo to life and health as her sole path to survival. In fact, it seems to me that most of Mirri's actions and words are fairly straightforward. I would venture to say that she initially felt grateful to Dany, who did stop her immediate torment. So when Dany called to her to heal Drogo she saw an opportunity to express her gratitude and to demonstrate her usefulness, as after all her continued survival and welfare depended on these people. Again when she was called to attend to Drogo when he was on death's door, not only did Dany had the means to compel her, her own survival dictated that she save Drogo. These things cannot be disputed. Even the ritual worked as advertised. One sacrificed stallion for a live Drogo. We can argue and speculate over the specifics, but that is what we got. After that Mirri found herself miraculously alive and the people who had enslaved and abused her brought low and there I agree with the op that she felt the hand of providence. The comparison with Tyrion claiming responsibility for Joffrey is not quite there. Mirri Maz Duur doesn't claim responsibility. She lays it at Dany's feet. And she does it in the mindframe that in the end it all worked out for the best. This is quite deliberate from Martin so that Dany and the readers can arrange all the previous events in this context where it was all orchestrated by Mirri, when all there is is Dany's need for a scapegoat after her world came crashing down. While the specifics of the ritual are fascinating it has been left deliberately vague for the stated reason of us speculating how Mirri screwed Dany over.
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    Will Sansa learn in TWOW of fArya's marriage?

    As mentioned, in the normal course of events she will. This is an important event. It will become public knowledge. Littlefinger could contain the information for a time, by telling the maesters no to announce any news they receive from the outside world but eventually someone would come by who share his news about the marriage with castle. There two ways that this event would be kept from Sansa indefinitely. Either she is removed from the Gates of the Moon to a place with no regular outside contact with the outside world, or if the Gates go on lock down. I don't see any particular reason why the information threatens LF in regards to Sansa. Sansa would only learn of Arya's marriage to Ramsay. She has no way of knowing Littlefinger's involvement in that affair and Littlefinger is unlikely to tell her. He has the liberty of presenting this in whatever context he so chooses. My money is that he is going to present the bride (whether he reveals her to be Jeyne or not) to be complicit to the marriage in order to steal Sansa's birthright. As for involving him in his crimes, I believe it is quite deliberate. In this fashion it makes an accomplice, a conspirator both in her own mind as well as others. This is patently effective; Sansa is reluctant to declare herself to Yohn Royce fearing her implication in her aunt's murder. He shares only the parts of his plans that directly involve Sansa and what she can directly observe. He involves her making her complicit in deed as well and giving her the illusion that he means for her to be more. All of this is aimed at making Sansa utterly dependant on him. As it is, there is a good chance that if LF goes down Sansa will be going with him. Littlefinger is doing all that, because at the end of the day he is not that original. Lysa was his original vehicle to power, Sansa is being groomed to take her place and help him cement his position in the Vale.
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    Daenerys & Mirri Maaz Duur

    I'm really not sure why I'm discussing this, but the emergence of Christianity two thousand years ago did not make any appreciable difference in excersise of warfare. It served as an excuse for it as much as anything else did. The early church in particular reached what constitutes modern dogma by exterminating anyone who had a different understanding of it. Generally speaking non Christian people did not always do the worst they could nor did Christian peoples refrain from it. As for the spread of the rule of Law (and Christianity for that matter) you might want to check those nasty Romans you are so dismissive about. Of course the unavoidable question would be who exactly is this occupant of this moral highgound who emerged and saved the world from those nasty heathens. Hmm?
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    Daenerys & Mirri Maaz Duur

    @ corbon you may want to check just how many people have been butchered throughout history in the name of those "judeo-christian ethics" (the quotes apply to both the "judeo-christian" as the "ethics" part), because frankly it reads like joke in extremely poor taste.
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    What if Robb knew Arya Escaped KL?

    Off the top of my head, I can think of three or four different ways this might have played out, which is why questions such as this veer promptly to what might only be described as fan-fiction.
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    Littlefinger's Plans

    @The hairy bear I believe that Littlefinger told his tale about the dagger mostly to come into Ned's confidence and influence where his investigation would take him. Specifically, he could not keep quiet as it was his dagger and Santagar would have said so. He also wanted to maintain the narrative he established with Lysa's letter to Catelyn. Lastly, he pointed to Tyrion because he was at this point by far the least dangerous Lannister to accuse, not least because he was not there to deny it. Cersei and Jaime are after all more than capable of killing Littlefinger on a whim and consequences be damned. At this point in time I believe his game was to forestall potential developments while being the primary influencer of the players involved. I don't think he thought ahead; I don't think he generally does. He is confident in himself that he can manage situations after the fact. It is not entirely unjustified. He is clever, if not always smart. It is though catching up with him. As for Varys. I believe that in this scene they have come together to contest fro the new meat, whose pawns they would become. I doubt that even Varys, knew off the top of his head, the providence of the dagger. Regardless, he could have undermined LF. The question is what he would have gained by it. If he did it right there odds are that neither would be believed. Varys does not strike me as someone who would something like that without considering the implications.
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    Littlefinger's Plans

    What you say is true, except for the fact that he had it made. He was influential and he was wealthy well beyond his birth and he got in by fucking a great lord's wife. And I am not talking about the status quo in general, but about Robert's court at that time. LF was already a success story. He didn't necessarily have another way to deal with Stannis. In fact it would have been preferable to kill Stannis. What works for the goose works for the gander. Arryn would have assumed that Stannis would have been murdered at the behest of the Lannisters and worked to place Renly on the throne. It may have worked better for Littlefinger. It might have not. There many ways it could have played out. It doesn't mean that he could go after Stannis directly (and get away with it). Remember Arryn was poisoned by his own wife and he was an old man whose death was passed off as a sickness. It is extremely doubtfull that LF had the necessary access to Stannis. Regardless, we know that the situation was threatening to him and we know that he had Arrynn killed. That is more than enough to explain his actions.
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    Littlefinger's Plans

    It is generally believed that Littlefinger somehow engineered the majority of the events of the books with the aim of exacting revenge on the Starks, due to his unrequited feelings towards Catelyn and his duel with Brandon. This is not supported by the text. Littlefinger neither could nor did cause the war of the five kings. In fact, many aspects of it were the last thing he wanted. LF immediately prior to the beginning of the books would have been as happy as a pig in shit. He was influential, he was using the treasury as his own personal bank and due to his own seeming efficiency largely unaccountable for his crimes. The one person who was most content with the status quo was Littlefinger. The problem was that the status quo was about to be overturned through no fault of his own, because of the investigation that Stannis and Jon Arryn were undertaking. This meant a number of things. Stannis would gain influence both in the court in general as well as with Jon Arryn, while the Lannisters were being ousted. Meanwhile, whatever influence Lysa had with her husband was obviously at an end and the removal of her son from her care would have made her dangerously unstable. It is also questionable whether he could maintain his financial "miracle" without the easy access to Lannister gold that he had. In short Littlefinger faced the prospect of simultaneously having his one true enemy gaining prominence and falling out of favor with his liege lord. This could lead to further scrutiny to his activities, the loss of his position and eventually his head. The rest is Littlefinger trying to juggle the conflicting needs of maintaining the status quo or something close to it with deflecting inquiries towards the circumstances of Jon Arryn's death, until the situation in King's Landing grew too dangerous for him and he managed to extricate himself from it in the Vale, where he hopes to profiteer on food in peace. This is pretty much it. There is no grand plan and never has been.
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    characters who are not as they seem?

    That seems quite a generic comment. How are they not as they seem? To the readers or to other characters? As they first appear on the page or how they develop later on? And in what fantasy did that person find this deficiency? Because thinking of authors like Martin, Hobb and say Abraham for instance, not to mention Le Guin from the earlier generation, lazy characterization is not something that can be said about fantasy authors in general. Certainly not the good ones.
  12. After mass-murderers, serial killers/rapists, corrupt officials and hapless bureaucrats, now child-maiming slavers get apologists. Probably on the off chance they will be on Dany's side. I wonder what Dany would think, but then she's used to having mutilated people serving her. I'd be wondering what else we would see, but that's pretty much it. I mean, there is still Gregor and the bloody mummers left, but they are unlikely to be of much relevance. Just to put things in perspective. Apart from Euron's crew those who are voiceless are the wights the Others make. Stoneheart speaks, Beric and Coldhands speak as well while the wights don't. It is not an accident. In Martin's world taking away one's voice stands for the obliteration of their personality and Agency. This is what Varys does, this is the company he stands with and this is what to expect from anything he has had a hand in.
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    The Horror of Lightbringer?

    I am pretty sure these are meant to be the effects of a body being subjected to intense heat.
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    Best incredibly minor character

    I am reasonably sure she is the harpy, or at the very least in the organisation. The password for the word at her tavern is "freedom" or something like that.
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    Does Targaryen blood matter anymore?

    I think most people make the wrong connection from this quote. At one point Jorah Mormont tells Dany that she looks like his wife Lynesse. So the connection is that Dany reminds both Barry and Jorah of their unrequited great loves. In the latter's case she has even replaced her. Also I think it's pretty much a sure bet by now that a Targaryen married into the Daynes the recent past and probably the Hightowers. I don't think the issue is that the blood is diluted. I think the issue is that it is spread too much. Between the marriages and Aegon IV there should be hundreds of potential dragon riders. And that would have been the point of the incest: to keep dragon riding in the family.
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    Melisandre, Davos & Edric

    I think it is part of her grandstanding as a matter of policy. That everything unfolds as part of her design and that sort of thing. In particular with Edric I believe she has read or seen about a royal sacrifice of a child that is part of Azor Ahai's ascension that she wants to bring about. In order to achieve that with Edric Storm she would need to set the stage in advance quite a bit. Having Edric charm people would not endear him to Stannis and I wouldn't be surprised if she has told the latter that Edric is a potential threat to his legacy and birthright.
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    Could this be Tyrek? Or do you have another idea?

    Dying by the Stranger makes it less of a leap. Calling this guy a Westerosi noblemen is an assumption but not a stretch. The little we know about him would need to be explained away if he were otherwise. And we have a prominent case of a missing adolescent with those characteristics. Sure, it could be anyone, but nothing prevents him from being Tyrek. Regardless, I think he was placed there as more than a setting for Arya's work. That is, his face is going to be of use to Arya. Another possibility that occurs to me would be for him to be a Westerling. The elder, probably. I don't recall the younger's fate being spelled out, but either of them would have found themselves as unwitting traitors and turncloaks, a very awkward position to be in socially, which could lead to them seeking exile and eventually committing suicide. The timeline does not seem to allow this for the younger, but I think it makes sense for the elder if he survived the Red Wedding.
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    Why didn’t Varys kill Tommen?

    There are no passages in Maegor's Holdfast where Tommen resides most of the time nor is he ever alone. He has no easy access to him unlike anyone else in the Red Keep.
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    Predictions: Varys and Littlefinger

    In most narratives characters like LF and Varys ar e usually marked for death. The characters themselves as presented in the series would have contingencies and exit strategies, so they should have higher survival odds than most other characters. That said I think Varys will die because of Aegon. Not necessarily directly but his own looking out for his own neck will be severely compromised and in the course of trying to raise and keep Aegon to the Throne he will be taking risks that will eventually lead to his death. As for LF I expect that the mess he will eventually make in the Vale will force him to flee, probably to Braavos. I think he might a decent chance of surviving the series. If he is done in he will be by someone he won't see coming.
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    Is Walder Frey the smartest man in Westeros?

    It is a feudal society and they live and die by reputation. What Walder Frey did was the equivalent of setting fire to his house in order to deal with a burglar. As a result all of his sons and daughters will find no shelter, no marriages and no service. They are doomed to a life of penury outside of the main house. The main house might have survived on its power alone had there been peace. Now the Freys are pariahs and no one in their right mind will deal with any of them in good faith even if it is in their best interest. Despite all of the rationalisations the Red Wedding was a mob hit, not a strategic move and in fact counter productive to all involved with the possible exception of the Boltons. And like the Blackfish said it does stink of Tywin Lannister.
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    (F?) Aegon's personality and future

    The nature of the stress is that he was made a fool off over a game. And he blew up. What would happen if it was something actually serious? As for his councilors he is already dismissing them. Martin put that scene there for a reason. Tyrion introduced to Aegon the concept that other people may not automatically do everything he likes and as a result he threw a temper tantrum. Martin was establishing Aegon's character at that moment.
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    (F?) Aegon's personality and future

    Combined with his tantrum it shows that composure under stress is not his strong suit. You think his endeavour will be relaxing and stress free?
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    Aegon VI as a ruler

    And you think the GC won't look at castles in the Reach or in the Riverlands. Besides every abandoned castle and empty already has suitors who will become Aegon's enemies when he passes them over in order to reward them to the GC. Moreover there are people with grudges amongst his ranks. Rolly Duckfield may feel like finishing the job against the lord's son who took his sword and that bastard Fossoway sargeant has a grudge against one of the most influential houses in the Reach. As long as his take over is confined in King's Landing, people will shrug and do pretty much as you describe. But when Aegon comes calling for taxes or troops or worse for lands and hostages then things will head south in a hurry.
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    (F?) Aegon's personality and future

    I am talking about his character not his fighting skills.
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    (F?) Aegon's personality and future

    In the few scenes he has on page are included him choking in battle and a fit of petulant rage. Martin did not include those to show us just how awesome he is.
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