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  1. Well. Let's presume that you are reading a text in a foreign language and you come across a word XXX that you are not familiar with and do not have the context to deduce the meaning. Then you come across the word XXY, for which you are provided a meaning and the similarity allows you to make a deduction about XXX. And then you come across XXX, this time in a context where the meaning is clear, and, yeah, it is indeed related to XXY and your deduction of XXX was correct. In other words, the meaning is confirmed. This is exactly how deducing the meaning of unknown words works, it is the same as we did with bed of blood, and if you were not biased, you would acknowledge it.
  2. Because baby Jon didn't exist in a vacuum and there are other pieces of information that need to fit in. One doesn't need to be a midwife to know facts of life, especially recalling the events 14 years later as a father of five. Only if you refuse to acknowledge a point. When Ned remember Lyanna in a bed of blood, he remembers Lyanna in a birthing bed, because that's the way GRRM uses the phrase. Nonsense. He already established the thought in AGOT, by having MMD refer to birthing bed as bloody bed. If he wanted to muddy the reference, he would have used the term in situations when there was a bed and bloody sheets not connected to childbirth.
  3. Oh, come on. 1) Lyanna in her bed of blood - a phrase with a specific but unclear meaning because it lacks context 2) bloody bed = birthing bed - most likely the same thing but the different wording of the phrase allows for some doubt 3) women bring forth children in beds of blood - the meaning of the phrase is clarified by providing context, and it also confirms the assumption that bed of blood and bloody bed refer to the same thing How do we know it's a phrase with a specific meaning? Because it is never used in any other context, even though there are situations involving beds and blood
  4. Fever had taken her strength points to the fever mightily contributing to her demise. If she bled to death, no need to mention the fever. Also, postpartum bleeding is a normal part of the birthing process (and puerperal fever actually makes it worse) Oh? How can you be so sure, if she herself is not sure when her last period was? She can't recall, it seems it has been a while, and she gets an unusually heavy flow after bad stomach cramps and diarrhoea... there has been a theory that she miscarried, and I consider it quite plausible. But that's not the point - Dany is never described, nor thinks about herself, as in "bed of blood", so her condition and Lyanna's are not the same. There was certainly blood on Robert's bed but GRRM doesn't describe it as "bed of blood/bloody bed". Nor does he use the term about any other bed soaked in blood. it is a specific phrase, with a limited use - he has "Lyanna in her bed of blood", and he has Mirri Maz Duur claim that she knows the secrets of the "bloody bed", which, from the context as well as from a clear reference later on , means "birthing bed". It used to be argued by some that we don't know for sure if "bed of blood" is really the same as "bloody bed", until that AFFC quote which made the connection explicit.
  5. See the comment above. Plus, Lyanna had been weak from fever, meaning, suffered from infection. Birthing bed + infection points to childbed fever, and that allows for weeks, not months.
  6. Add to it the public knowledge of Ashara's dishonour, and people thinking 1+1=2 makes a lot of sense. We don't know if Cat knew about Ashara's pregnancy, though.
  7. Agreed that rumours are most likely multiple, and different people may believe different rumours. I don't recall the particulars of previous conversation(s), so let me reiterate. The rumours explixitely mentioned are: 1) Jon's mother was commonborn 2) Ned and Ashara had a fling at HH. However, not everyone believes it Curiously, these two rumours are in line with what Ned Dayne tells Arya: that Ned and Ashara were in love but Ned fathered Jon on Wylla. It is possible that some speculated Ashara was Jon's mother but this is not on the list of gossip that Cat hears, and nowhere does it state that those spreading the gossip believe that the conception took place at HH, and not at a later point when Ned was in the South. Not sure what exactly you are reading into Harwin's discomfort with the topic, other than that it is a sensitive matter and Cat wouldn't want to hear about Ned's supposed old flame.
  8. You may disagree on what exactly Cat heard but you can hardly dispute that Sansa overheard a rumour that Jon's mother was commonborn: Jon's mother had been common, or so people whispered (Sansa I) Note also that it's "people", not just one particular person.
  9. Except, we don't have any Winterfellian perpetrating this gossip - the gossip we are provided via Cat is that her husband killed Arthur Dayne in a single combat, and then travelled to give Dawn to the beautiful Ashara Dayne at Starfall. It was one hell of a trip only to return a sword, albeit a famous one, so she reasonably thinks there might be more to it. Winterfellians think what Harwin tells us - that Ned and Ashara had a thing at HH (and I guess the people think that's why he went to Starfall, whereas there is nothing pointing to Cat being aware of the HH rumours as she wasn't there.). The actual gossip about Jon's mother is the one mentioned in Sansa's PoV - that Jon's mother was commonborn. Plus, as has been pointed out, no harm in kisses or perhaps more as long as there is no baby, because that is bloody harm, as we can see with poor Ashara.
  10. Not necessarily. Bastards sired during the war is such a common occurence that no-one ever bats a lash about it. Those who know Ned think he never ever lies. Those not from Winterfell may not really care, and especially, not even know how old Jon supposedly was. Also, I think it depends a lot if Jon and Lyanna's bones arrived at the same time. If I was Ned, I would use the detour to Starfall as means to pay passage on a ship for Howland and baby Jon with his wetnurse, and send them North. Meanwhile, I'd return via KL with Lyanna's bones, have a teary reunion with Robert, and continue North. The baby and the bones then arrive separately at different times, which pretty much muddies the connection and establishes in people's minds that those are two separate events. And the news that Ned has a bastard would also take some time to spread from Winterfell, putting further distance between the events. Not saying that this is necessarily the only way, only that there are ways to pull wool over people's eyes. As we know from Alayne chapters, people do not even pry into the origins of bastards much, so for the majority of Westeros, this is really non-issue.
  11. And it's all even curiouser that Ned apparently cares for Jon very much and is willing to go into quite some lengths to provide for him far beyond the standard. Jon should be on the list, he should be "my son" instead of "my blood" when Ned flies off the handle.
  12. Thing is that 1 and 3 are real incidents, 2 is a theory, so it really shouldn't be lumped with those. For Quaithe, there is already an in-world explanation: glass candles. Which we know are burning. For Bridge of Dreams, there is a parallel with the House of the Undying, which was bigger inside than from the outside and we cannot be sure to which extent it was real or illusion. Either way: while GRRMth clearly allows for, say, mental magic, like illusions, sending dreams and possibly mind control (or at least manipulation) and interacting with objects allowing and/or enhancing such stuff (glass candles, weirnet), I really see nothing pointing towards teleportation being possible. That's a totally different magic system, and incompatible with what we have seen from GRRMth.
  13. Timeloop? Vision? Illusion? And even if it was teleportation, I'm fairly sure Brandon wasn't capable of it.
  14. No. If you want a longer answer, bring in some actual arguments.
  15. Catapulting consciousness is fine, I'll start to worry when I see physical parts going through
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