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  1. I know. I was thinking about reverse roles here. But to be fair: Rhaella would have a - however slightly - better chance succeeding than Jon had.
  2. Barristan(?) says the queen shielded Viserys as best as she could, so I think she would have tried to send him away for fostering soon; and yes, it would have been good for him. The Tyrells had sons around Viserys' age, so it would fit perfectly, but Dorne would also be possible. However I think it would be almost as "funny" as trying to send Sweet Robin away for fostering.
  3. I’m not sure... And actually, none of us can be sure. But from what little info we have, Aerys was much more agreeable and less nasty than Viserys when he was young. TWoIaF, Aerys II “AERYS TARGARYEN, the Second of His Name, was but eighteen years of age when he ascended the Iron Throne in 262 AC, upon the death of his father, Jaehaerys, after little more than three years of rule. A handsome youth, Aerys had fought gallantly in the Stepstones during the War of the Ninepenny Kings. Though not the most diligent of princes, nor the most intelligent, he had an undeniable charm that won him many friends. He was also vain, proud, and changeable, traits that made him easy prey for flatterers and lickspittles, but these flaws were not immediately apparent to most at the time of his ascension.” When Viserys died he was 22 yrs old or thereabouts. And from what we’ve seen, he was very much his father’s son, sharing some of Aerys’s worst traits: changeable, vain, proud. At the same time, he didn’t really show any of the more positive traits his father seems to have had as a young man. It's not about whether Viserys was a nice person (here his father might have even been better compared to him, but Aerys did not spend his life in exile), but whether Viserys is mad - and imho he isn't, he's just - pardon my French - an arsehole (at least when we meet him the first time, his character might have changed over the years on the run). Him being emotionally unstable ("changable"), vain, not the sharpest knife in the box - as @Varysblackfyre321 pointed out, these are the characteristics of many noble young men (and women), and because of this traits he would have made a mediocre king (= a king whose success would depend on his small council), but we can't be sure he would have turned mad out of the blue. But as you said: We don't know, none of us can be sure. However @Varysblackfyre321 is not wrong here either: I would add that Aerys would have broken and turned mad quite fast, had he lived Viserys' life. So while Viserys might have inherited more traits from his father than his siblings, he's still a lot more sane (grammar?) than Aerys. I also agree that Barristan is anachronistic in his analysis of Viserys: His fathers doting on him and what Viserys became (or better: what he heard about Viserys) made Barristan think he inherited his fathers madness. Yes of course. Just wanted to point out that their attitudes toward their sisters weren't so far away (plus targ-incest on Viserys' side). And nobody* was shocked about Viserys selling marring his sister off for troops, they were just shocked about selling marring her off to a "barbarian". *Okay, I think we would be able to find a handful of nobles in the books who would never do this to their daughters/sisters, but they are clearly a small minority.
  4. Dogs don't care, dragons would neither.
  5. Cheese. It's always cheese, works much better than bacon.
  6. I agree, also don't think Robb would do it. I know however, that he did not care a lot whether they were raped or killed by others as long as he could keep his precious kingdom and get his vengeance. So is Robb also "mad"? On Viserys again, because this seems to be misunderstood here: Nobody says that Viserys is a kind and good character. In the end he's an abusive and unhealthy brother, but that's not an equivalent to mad (please be so kind and stop insulting insane people). And while he would probably not have become a very nice and gentle person without the exile, one has to wonder if he would have turned out as he did, had he lived an uneventful secure life in the Red Keep. Remember: Dany also has nice memories about him, he wasn't always this way.
  7. I think he had partly inherited his father emotional instability. But I wouldn't bet on him becoming another Aerys just out of the blue, and it also needed Duskendale to make Aerys into the monster he became. However Viserys seems much more stable than his father to me, as it takes a lot to let him go over the edge: Dany remembers her brother as kind and loving for a long time, it took many years and blows to make him change, the last one was the selling of their mother's crown. And even then he is not even remotely comparable to Joff or his father. So I think @Lord Varys is right here: Had Viserys III inherited the throne, he would have been a mediocre king, maybe with family issues and quiet guidable, but not per se mad or particularly cruel.
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    Do You Think Sam Will Forge His Chain?

    If we don't get some Greek fire and pyr automaton, and at least two or three interesting war machines out of the Citadel, I will be seriously disappointed - it would however illustrated the name "grey sheep" quiet well. Good summery. If he hired the FM and did not pay they would be more than pissed, surely. One wonder what they would think about killing Balon with Warlock-magic? Maybe we will get some insight on all this if Winds will be released. One could imagine something like emergency-chains because of Euron's sack of the city. It would be very futile and frustrating for Sam, that's for sure. But I'm still not sure if Euron is such a important piece in the overall game, or if he is just a catalyst for other events but himself will fail and vanish quicker then we all think. In this case him trying to sack and plunder Oldtown could fail epically.
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    Do You Think Sam Will Forge His Chain?

    Might be. It's just that I think it would make Sam's life more miserable if Gilly would vanish with Marwyn. Her being there makes it much easier for Sam to be brave and handle situations. She is just a minor character, so her role both in Meereen or with Sam would not be a prominent one: In Meereen she would be an eye witness and, as @Three-Fingered Pete pointed out - would give informations about the group around Mother Mole, but we don't know if this informations are even needed or if Dany & Co. would not stumble across them anyway. With Sam she would continue to be the catalyst for him getting sh*t done and move his arse (pardon my French). I'm not dogmatic here, all possibilities are welcome. Well, the city will not go down without a fight, and it would be fun to see the Maesters actually being of some use in such a situation. Concerning the FM: Do we know if Euron did pay the price for his brothers demise already (if it truly were FM he hired)? Or does he have an open depth with them? They may be in Oldtown for more than one reason...
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    Do You Think Sam Will Forge His Chain?

    I don't know. As Sam will spent a lot of his time in the Citadel with the other novices and acolytes, Gilly would just be a little "nuisance" he has to care about, something to make him feel a little bit guilty for not spending enough time with her. I simply don't see her running around the Citadel helping Sam with books ( ). But if Sam keeps his lucky streak this could also be all he will see from obstacles for him. But of course the sack of Oldtown and maybe plundering would bring both in peril and would give us the dreaded travelogue to Horn Hill and back to the wall. So: We'll see. It's just one of many possibilities for Gilly.
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    Poll. Is Bran ever leaving the cave?

    Could be. we don't know enough about the first Long Night, not even WHETHER it was the first at all. If it is a cycle you are most likely right, if however the Others are coming back due to some event (like the humans unknowingly tipping an achieved balance or breaking some pact or magical seal) there are other possibilities open, but of course the price to reforge the broken whatsoever could still be Bran's (or others) life. But: I don't know if the life in the tree is not worse than death. Bloodraven doesn't sounds too happy to me: also even if the body dies the greenseers seem to live on in the trees, having to watch helplessly, not only the present, but also the past, their loved once long dead, not able to help them or be with them... And it would be interesting how they feel about the apparent lose of self in the process. I'm 100% with you on the Sam will discover something that Bran will use and their linked destinies. Maybe they will even start to move again in opposite direction at the same time? Well, Coldhands can indeed be dead since the last Long Night, it would fit the "killed long time ago" by Leaf. I don't think there was a single "Last Hero" or "AA" in the way the myths tell it, but Coldhands could be the person who was sacrificed/had to sacrifice himself at the end. It would be another possible explanation why he is still himself, and not controlled by the Others. And it would be worse than death, yes. Interesting idea, will add it to the "possible-shelf".
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    Do You Think Sam Will Forge His Chain?

    Just laid out the possibilities, pick one - and hopefully in the next book we will see which one GRRM did pick. Yes, although we wouldn't see anything from the journey in A, and we don't know which route they would sail from Oldtown directly to Meereen. However: If the people in this books would think their actions though, about 80% of drama would not have happened, so: Beside, there are two other things we have to consider: Maybe Marwyn would even want her to go with them to have an eye witness with him. And: would Gilly leave the Cinnamon Wind to wander Oldtown in search for Sam/let herself be dumped in an inn to wait for Sam to find her, or would she rather stay with people she knows? There are no 100% here. Have to wait and see. Yes, GRRM is not finished with Sam's education in torment yet. It all went too well for him, even on his journey back to the wall, even in Braavos, and at the Citadel.
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    Poll. Is Bran ever leaving the cave?

    Agree completely. The bittersweet for Bran will be that he will taste life again, but in the end will choose responsibility over family and - perhaps - even love (Meera), to help the world heal, serve the children and the trees and stand vigil in Bloodraven's stead.
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    5 wackiest Crackpot "theories"

    Say what? This is the first time I’ve ever heard this idea that it could even be a theory. I think he is referring to the fact that the helmet is now in Lem's possession. During the raid on the Saltpans it was most likely Rorge who wore the helmet, as he is wearing it during the encounter with Brienne. It's just after he is killed by her, then Lem takes the Hound's helmet. But of course this is no secret identity.
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    Poll. Is Bran ever leaving the cave?

    I think they all do have the best interest of the living at heart, but I wouldn't bet on them all having the same agenda concerning Bran or the way how to work best against the Others. The CotF clearly want Bran to become a tree, they seem to see this (having a living Greenseer stuck to the trees) as essential for the fight. Bloodraven may not (we don't know yet) agree with this part, he surely agrees with them about Bran having to learn what is going on. He may be more sensible about the fact that the informations Bran will gather have to reach people who can't communicate with the trees. And while he seems to see Bran as his successor, he also may be willing to wait some more months or years till the problems with the Others are solved. Beside, something can still go so seriously wrong that Bran and his troupe have to leave the cave no matter what was originally planed for them by the CotF and Bloodraven.
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    Do You Think Sam Will Forge His Chain?

    Because it's not about what is more dangerous, but about if you would dump a Wildling girl alone in a big city: Sam is not going with Marwyn, so if the Cinnamon Wind is truly leaving ad hoc, Gilly would have to be left alone in the city of Oldtown. And as she isn't exactly good in surviving in a city, they (=Marwyn) would have to get her a room to stay etc. And so far I simply don't see Marwyn as someone who would care about such a thing, while the crew of the Cinnamon Wind would most likely disagree with you about what is more dangerous for Gilly and the baby, as she could easily get lost in Oldtown. And I don't know what option would appear more horrifying to Gilly herself. And the Citadel is not a hostel where you can take your family with you. So while it sadly is possible that we see something as stupid as in the abomination, other scenarios are more likely: a) Gilly gets lost in Oldtown and b) Gilly stays on the Cinnamon Wind, with a slight possibility for everything-goes-well or as-well-as-it-could-get-in-Martin-world, aka c) they dump Gilly in an inn, Sam finds her and gets her on a journey to his mother and d) they travel together over land because of the sack. And of course there is also the possibility of her dying during the sack if she stays. At this moment, all options are possible, so take your pick. I'm with you here and wouldn't be surprised if he really ends up as one of Euron's captives, as you and others have suggested. To this moment Sam was spared true personal horrors other characters had to endure. I'm not confident about it staying that way (that's why I think he and Gilly will get separated, and he will blame himself).
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    Do You Think Sam Will Forge His Chain?

    Agree with you here: Originally he would have forged his chain, without the five year gap and Euron coming there isn't enough time. May be, he will be captured by Euron, as you suggested. But it is also possible that Sam flees Oldtown over land, which would give Martin a chance to give us a really long travelogue. I'm also with @Impbread that we will not even have the time for a link or two, as not even Alleras managed to get them that quick. I don't think so. Marwyn is departing at the end of Sam's POV; I think he will pay the captain of the Cinnamon Wind a high sum to leave the harbour at once, and as they won't simply dump Gilly on the docks, she will most likely have to travel with them. Sam would be only able to catch up with Marwyn if he either leaves immediately or if it is no longer possible to leave the harbour due to Ironbound.
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    Planetos, "Mega-Seasons" and Planet X. It'sh Schience!

    Actually, that isn't incompatible with the overall theory. If the two bodies' interactions hadn't synchronized until that point, or are on a tens to hundreds of thousands years long cycle of strong and weak interactions, then the relatively recent accounts in history could be true. And I accept that. That doesn't mean that it couldn't be getting some help. The Others (or whomever is responsible) could just be taking advantage of, and magnifying, a natural phenomenon. Otherwise, the cyclic nature and predictability of the phenomenon is in question. The Others don't show up every winter. Is this because the Wall is now blocking them? Did they show up every winter before the Wall was built? I haven't read the history books, so this is an actual question. I, too, would like to ask for the indications given, as I did not read the World-book either. I could imagine that the Other with their ice-magic do get an advantage during the super-winter and are - to some degree and maybe under certain circumstances (or else they would appear ever winter and the Night Watch wouldn't have been able to forget about them - but they don't)- able to change it into something as the Long Night. But we don't know if the Long Night truly would have lasted forever, had the Others won, or if their magic just turned the normal super-winter into a super-harsh-winter, which nonetheless would have ended after the effect of Planet X (Duuuu duuuu DU DUUUUUUU!) had run it's course. So I, too, think the natural explanation wouldn't contradict the magic but in this case would even give another hint why the Others don't come out every winter (till we get a magical reason like an broken pact or something like that).
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    Planetos, "Mega-Seasons" and Planet X. It'sh Schience!

    But at this moment I am save, as we don't have a release date still
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    Planetos, "Mega-Seasons" and Planet X. It'sh Schience!

    Just wanted to thank @Three-Fingered Pete for putting this in a readable and comprehensive (and funny!) form and doing the publishing work! Thank you!
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    Poll: Is Jon Snow the son of a Dayne?

    Agree. On the fence here, but also leaning more toward Brandon, which would make Ned even sadder about the whole thing, as in my version of the story he himself while in love with Ashara wouldn't have touched her, while his brother did - in Ned's view - dishonour Ashara, as Brandon wouldn't even be in love with her. If however Allyria is Ashara's baby, I also could imagine Ned being the father (this would explain the benevolent attitude the Dayne's have toward him even better). We'll see. I'm 100% with you here, I too could be wrong completely.
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    Poll: Is Jon Snow the son of a Dayne?

    But of course. There are just little hints, they all can be part of the Red Herring, or point toward people reading too much in small gestures. That's why I said N+D=J would be very unlikely, because I also simply can't see Ned taking the baby away from Ashara and by this indirectly causing her suicide; this would truly be completely out of character for Ned as we know him. And of course the Daynes wouldn't hold Ned in such high regards if such a thing happened. So I am still in the A+N=crush-camp, albeit I don't think they ever did more then maybe share a kiss, if even. And I do think the Daynes do know, or at least guessed the babies mother and father then Ned arrived at Starfall, but went with Ned's version of the story. And the truth is not a thing you tell a little boy. Yes, we have. We'll see if we ever get any new information on that subject.
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    Poll: Is Jon Snow the son of a Dayne?

    There sure are at least some little hints toward Ned having a crush on Ashara (him wanting to dance with her, the rumours, her family talking about it), but of course no evidence, because we have no clear expression of his feeling, as you say. But the "we never hear him thinking about her"-argument is not valid, as we also never hear him thinking about Jon being his sisters son and many other things - we just have his reaction when she is mentioned, nothing more. As we also have only very blurry emotional reactions then Ned is thinking about Jon, one of this paired with shame (the shame doesn't fit here, if we think R+L=J is true, but it would fit, if Ned would not only think about his nephew here, but also about something from his own life). But this is of course because we as the readers don't get to hear all thoughts of a POV-character, especially not the one which would spoil the story for us. So yes, we have no proof, but small hints. Note that I'm not even saying Ned and Ashara had to have sex, but I think they were in love. Now does this sound like Ned to me? Yes, because humans aren't robots, and Ned is not the "Duty-1000" who never made even one mistake in his life, with nothing to regret, but a man with feelings he sacrificed for his House, now living with the consequences. He is almost as reluctant about his past and his feelings toward the reader as he is toward his surroundings. He is a quite water, and quite waters are deep.
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    Poll: Is Jon Snow the son of a Dayne?

    Just to throw in something: Even IF A+N=J is not the red herring for R+L=J (which I would like, but unfortunately find it very unlikely, a dim 2-5% chance, me thinks), Jon wouldn't have been conceived at Harrenhall, but most likely much later. Remember GRRM saying that Ashara wasn't nailed to the floor in Starfall? Ned and Ashara could have meet one last time before his wedding with Cat, or even after. There is no need to construct an age difference of some years for Rob and Jon. By the by I do believe that Ned and Ashara fell in love at Harrenhall. As Arya is told, there wasn't any shame in this, they both were free and as a second son, Ned's chances to get a "Wonderful! Go for it!" if he asked his father whether he may court for the hand of the Lady Ashara would have been quite high. But then he had to marry Cat in his brothers steed, so even without Jon being his son from Ashara he would still hurt then reminded of her, even though he does love his Cat in his own special way at the beginning of AGoT. It may just be that he still also does love the Lady Ashara, just not in the same way as he loves his Cat.
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    5 wackiest Crackpot "theories"

    Have to agree with @Sigella ... This is... I have no words for your list We need the next book.
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