Elaena Targaryen
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2 hours ago, Stannis is the man....nis said:
Oh wow apparently the writer of episode 9 was interviewed about the ending and had this to say about the dead civilians https://i.redd.it/4l2296gzncu91.jpg
57 minutes ago, DMC said:I took the remark to mean civilians don't count to the nobles - just as they didn't in GoT.
I agree with DMC here. The plight of the smallfolk was the motif of the episode. I'm sure the writer knew what she wrote and if not the director got the message.
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Did anyone else notice Aemond disappear during the dinner? Did he just go take a leak or was it a cut scene? Odd timing either way since he was ready for drama. He's gone from the table shortly after Jace and Helaena start dancing and is returning from a side hallway when Viserys is being carried out. I wonder if he requested the pig hoping to start shit.
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This whole "first five episodes portrayals vs time jump" really should have it's own thread in HotD General. It was obvious the show was favoring Rhaenyra with the white stag and I adjusted my perceptions, though I still find the Greens interesting. This latest episode has me favoring the Greens for the first time ever. I'm curious to see to what degree they can keep my regard. Alicent's children are more compelling by miles as well as Alicent herself.
Now in the "first five episodes" Alicent had no ambition for herself, she had nothing that was just for her and it was sad, she had to live for everyone else. However Alicent was ambitious for Rhaenyra. After years of supporting Rhaenyra while watching her flout the rules, after years of Otto and others (even Viserys waffling) pushing for Aegon, Alicent held firm for her friend over herself and her children. Rhaenyra's night out with Daemon, conflicting stories, moon tea, and betrayal of trust resulting in Otto losing his position and convincing her children's lives are in danger was too much. From her perspective why should Alicent keep blindly supporting Rhaenyra and why shouldn't she transfer her ambition to her son?
But I do believe if the Greens threw their full support behind Rhaenyra, or dare I say it the Blacks throwing their full support for Aegon, everything would have have been fine and might have even ushered in a second age Valyria. However this story is a tragedy.
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Loved the episode! Big fan of young Aemond! Love all the characters, their motivations and interactions.
I've enjoyed reading the show discussion here very much. I just wanted to add I liked the parallel between Rhaenyra and Cat. They were both cut by the same dagger protecting their children.
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I wonder if any matrilineal societies have let a male inherit? The only one I know a very little about does not marry or have a concept of bastards.
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9 hours ago, slant said:
Now get what the mulvaleys flower signifies, it has nothing to do with Braavos at all, it is a reference to Alicent being out of place and far away from home.
I also got this feeling from the differences in their rooms, Alicent's looked like a guest room and Rhaenyra's looked like a home.
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IMO: Otto is manipulating Alicent by making her fear for her children. ( plus the kids are needed for inbreeding
) Otto pushed for Rhaenyra to be named heir, then pushed for Alicent to become queen. Otto anticipated it would be easier to supplant Rhaenyra with Alicent's potential male child than to usurp Daemon as heir.
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On 5/9/2016 at 0:15 PM, hallam said:
Well we now know he is a thousand years old.
Yes, we now know he is a thousand years old - in the show. Which is fine but I think in the books that the 3EC being a thousand years old, and not Bloodraven, is as likely as Sansa marring Ramsay.
QuoteWhich pretty much kills all the fan theories.
What fan theories? Does "all" mean show, books, both? It's not a theory for the books since Bran calls him Lord Brynden several times.
QuoteI don't think it is necessary to tie him back into any other figure. Who do we even know from back then? Want to make him the original AA? Sure if you like. Does that tell us anything? Not really.
Thousand year old man in a tree is enough. [/quote]
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Yea you got a point. It doesn't really matter and it doesn't really hurt anything to change it. Maybe they even have other plans in this case.
But what would it hurt to keep it? Season 1 was layered with the history, lore, dialogue that felt like it belongs in this world and it made everyone love the show. Is all these little changes to the atmosphere, causing some dissatisfaction, worth it?
Interesting though that we are told Bran will leave the cave in the same episode Rickon reappears. It means that Rickon is no longer in the line of succession to being Warden of the North. Bran will be master of winterfell when he leaves the cave. Robb may have made Jon heir ahead of Bran but that is really a non-issue as Jon is clearly going to end up on the Iron Throne or dead.
Robb did not make Jon his heir in the show. It's just one more of the little things the show changed or dropped from the books. It could have been a good choice to add it since Jon is important, a fan favorite and it adds suspense to his storyline however it could still come up later as a surprise twist but why bother if it doesn't matter, right?
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So according the show LF is taking the knights of the Vale to Winterfell in the aftermath of the Stannis/Bolton conflict to claim Winterfell. Is this a spoiler for the books. Is that what LF and Sansa will actually do?
At first I would not have thought so since it initially appears that LF is playing a long game, but now I wonder if things might go much faster. Could the tourney be a guise for a wedding? A wedding that could lead to war? If Harry agrees to marry why wait?
Everyone of importance is at this tourney, the pageantry and largeness is wooing the Knights of Summer. The focus of the gifts, food, celebrations could easily be romanticized to the whole event, tourney included, happening because of the wedding. The charming and beautiful Princess Sansa of House Stark marring the idealized lord Harry the Heir could send these young falcons to begging for war to take back Winterfell for them.
Oswell could have arrived on his lathered horse with news of an annulment. LF could be storing the food to feed an army and he could be closing ports and seizing ships to transport that army.
Of course there are plenty of wildcards that could mess up any plans and this was all just something new that crossed my mind recently. I want to read relevant chapters again but I thought I'd see what you guys had to say first. Is this a silly idea?
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I think I get what your saying. It is known while writting season 2 back in 2010/2011, when Sophie was 13/14 years old, they had ADWD material and when it was released they knew that she would take the place of Jeyne Poole in filming 2014 when she was 18. They had a plan all along. They followed her storyline to the "T" into the vale and then in a surprising move, even to the actess and related actors themselves, moved her into this storyline that they had "fridged" for her to redeem Theon for 4 years. Yeah, Theon standing there, made me as angry as Ramsay. I think that is why Alfe Allen said Ramsay is probably the worst person in Westeros, followed by Theon/Reek. Ramsay for the Rape and Theon/Reek for standing there and not doing anything to stop it.
This https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DInYaHVSLr8 is what I believe greensleeves meant by Sansa being "fridged" for Theon
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Thank you for that! I was citing examples others had posted.
Hell is fine. It's usually in the context of the seven hells though. Diplomatic was the part that bothered me, and the "sensitive" part. Not necessarily the use of mission. Saying "he's on a sensitive diplomatic mission" sounds like something the POTUS would say.
Sword swallower is in the books? That's surprising. I was more bothered by "pillow biter" though.
Of course, these complaints can then bleed into ASOIAF, which is a perfectly valid nitpick. Plenty of people have complained about some anachronisms within his books. Maybe the length means they're easier to gloss over though? I'm not sure.
It's the definition of a nitpick. Not really a big deal, but something that can take you out of the story occasionally.
Oh yea I completely agree.... but for clarification;
I only tried to count "hell" in singular form, not involving the seven hells, and the context on several of those was similar to - go to hell (the "go to hell" by Stannis in the show jarred me too) to add all four uses of "go to hell" in the books involved Arya :lol:
Totally agree and get your point on "sensitive diplomatic mission", it's really silly. I just had the count so I threw it in, and since in no instance did the use of "mission" in the books ever have any qualifiers
This is the only passage where "sword swallower" was used, for context;
Four master pyromancers conjured up beasts of living flame to tear at each other with flery claws whilst the serving men ladeled out bowls of blandissory, a mixture of beef broth and boiled wine sweetened with honey and dotted with blanched almonds and chunks of capon. Then came some strolling pipers and clever dogs and sword swallowers, with buttered pease, chopped nuts, and slivers of swan poached in a sauce of saffron and peaches. ("Not swan again," Tyrion muttered, remembering his supper with his sister on the eve of battle.) A juggler kept a half-dozen swords and axes whirling through the air as skewers of blood sausage were brought sizzling to the tables, a juxtaposition that Tyrion thought passing clever, though not perhaps in the best of taste.
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I noticed this too, but I couldn't put my finger on it. Some people in other threads pointed out the use of "country", "capital", "politician", "pillow-biter", "sword swallower", "miles" (instead of leagues), and "sensitive diplomatic mission" (Cersei's reply as to where Jaime is). These are all things that aren't that readily noticeable, but do kind of take you out of the realism I think.
Edit: Stannis also told someone to "go to hell"
Yea some of these bothered me so I checked the (five) books and some were in there:
miles - 74
go to hell - 4
context can/does matter:
country - 15
sword swallower - 1
variations:
hell - [about] 61
politics - 1
mission - 6 but not diplomatic
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Regarding the whole Talisa situation... the Westerling saga wasn't THAT much better and a teenager guy that falls to a hot foreigner chick makes allot more sense on screen than a teenager guy marrying a random chick he just met out of 'onor 'cause said chick gave him a bandage and he happened to drunkenly fuck her. On TV to audience that are, well, people, of 21st century, it's just moronic.
It's funny you bring this up since I have an unsullied friend that thought everything involving Talisa was ridiculous, so much so that friend even cheered when Talisa was killed.
I had just convinced my friend to watch the show and friend has binge watched the whole series over the past few weeks. Talisa was the one and only thing that friend found completely unrealistic and divergent in every way.
Friend could not believe that at Robb's age and position he would have anything to do with a foreigner that he knew absolutely nothing about, in the middle of a war no less, or that Robb would risk things of such great importance for her. Friend also said on her own Talisa felt jarring since she seems like she belongs on a WWII battlefield instead.
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Yes I have read the books and even if I were to agree with you about book Roose I don't feel they portrayed tv show Roose to have a sadistic sense of humor with the exception of the young wolf joke he shared with Walder Frey in season 3 but apart from that he has always come across on the show as a no nonsense Character
But Roose trolling Jaime was great!
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This episode felt much more like it belonged in the Ice and Fire world of the books than the previous 4 episodes this season. That has always been my complaint, not that the show is changing the plot, but that the way they change them takes me out of the world, it just felt like a modern TV show with people in costumes. This was the first time I really felt we're back in Westeros.
Yes I agree, when Cogman writes the episode I always feel that way. The last episodes have been too jarring for me.
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I don't remember that, when did she talk to Robert about the dead baby?
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Could someone explain to me who Benjicot is? Thanks.
[sR] "Ser Harrold has a common woman. Benjicot says she’s carrying his bastard.”
[Alayne] Benjicot should learn to keep his fool’s mouth shut.
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I've been having trouble again recently that seems similar to the previous sidebar issues. Almost every time I load a new page all posts are overlaid or it's just blank and I have to clear cache and refresh. But while annoying at least that works!
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Wow, that Tywin lecture to Tommen was just embarrassing. he was speaking to him as if Tommen is 7 year old or just retarded.
Really? A back and forth discussion teaching him to reason things out is treating him like he's mentally handicapped? Most adults should speak to each other this way, you know as a productive discourse. (btw isn't the r-word considered quite offensive?)
Terrible infodumping too, this show is subtle as a sledgehammer way too often.
What important info was dumped that required being more subtle?
St. Tyrion strikes again. That scene with Pod...just give him the halo already. Sheesh...
Well I thought that scene made Pod look good, which he deserves.
To be frank, at this point they seem to be full-blown gay, the both of them (except for each other).
Now Ellaria did try to get some from Olyvar but was denied.
Which Oly better thank the seven that LF is out of town and not watching through some peephole, even Ros was not allowed to pick and choose and show preferences.... Oly even tried to deny Oberyn at first, who does this whore think he is? Some people *shakes head* LF would def sell him to some torturing murderer if he knew.
(Yes I know it seems that Olyvar is running things, and like Ros ended up being was not expected to whore themselves out, but the young man did place himself in the middle of an orgy that I'm sure he was being well paid for and I don't think LF would be pleased he snubbed Ellaria like that.)
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Yeah, I hadn't realised but that probably means Loras isn't going to join the KG. I dont know why, but that hadnt previously dawned on me.
Well that's one confusing thing since in the show Loras was a member of Renly's KG, wasn't he?
Then we have the scene with Tywin and the QoT where she agrees to the match with Cersei so Loras, the HG heir, will not be forced into the KG, right?
I have no idea what they are doing :shrugs:
Are they ignoring what has come before, or was the QoT just manipulating Tywin while she plots, or was the QoT too worried to have Loras that close to Joffrey considering what he thinks of Loras, or did she really not want him to give up his titles, or idk...
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Since I've only managed to make it about half way through the thread so far, and I don't have the time to finish it right now, I could not wait to ask if there has been any discussion on this particular image from Bran's weirwood visions?
http://i.imgur.com/r3udFJD.png
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Loved your post ARYa_Nym, you made good points and connection as always! :)
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I agree on what was said about the Black Pearl except for almost romantic. She has yet to describe a man so positively. I always thought she liked her when she spoke about interacting with her in AFFC.
The "She was so lovely that the lamps seemed to burn brighter when she passed." made me wonder - 'glamor technique'? Maybe these world famous courtesans have more skills than we give them credit for - :shrugs: - but if so Arya could possibly be spending some time with the Black Pearl next as she does need to learn this art.
[Spoilers] Episode 110 Discussion
in E10: The Black Queen
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Oh I absolutely loved the second half and wanted more. More Harwin, all the kids (both ages) and Velaryons. I would have liked to see reactions to Rhaenyra marring Daemon. I think spending more time here could highlight how it was such a bad idea for Rhaenyra to stay away from King's Landing. She should have been there to take a part in running the kingdom, being there for her ailing father, and trying to form bonds with her siblings.
Even so, I'm grateful we get Rhaenyra and Alicents' childhood friendship since I don't see many female friendships portrayed, let alone one being the focus. It's even better imo when they feel disappointed and betrayed through the years to the point of estrangement yet they are still shown to love each other. Unforgivable lines may have been crossed and still they truly don't wish the other harm. That's realistic.