Winter's Knight

No, but in the TV show Doran says "4 nieces" but the wiki for the TV show says they have 5 daughters. Hence the wiki must be wrong and the show is correct and in line with the books.

But Obara isn't Ellaria's right, so she has three daughters.

Ok, fine! But they have to be nice to Sansa and give her lemon cakes, and leave Sam alone with lots of books, and buy Ser Alliser a puppy. Deal?

...that's a fine post to make hedge knight with, if I do say so myself.

Oh absolutely. They'll make Shireen Night Queen and she'll make sure no more little girls are hurt.

Allied with the Federation, not members, but yeah I know it doesn't make sense. My inner child just wants to see what a bat'leth could do to a WW.

I think you mean Stannis. We're rooting for the White Walkers now.

Secret alliance with the Klingons confirmed. The Lannisters'll never know what hit them.

Not to go all Trekkie on you but not only did the Klingons have nothing to do with the enhancements but by the time DS9 came around, the Klingons were members of the Federation.

You could try Cardashians, Dominion or (I think ) Romulans.

It really wasnt explained why in the show. I gathered it was because the food supplies were burned.

They have hundreds of dead horses now though.

And let's be honest, if twenty men can destroy all your food and all your horses, you were going to lose that battle anyway.

He knows how to keep the Sand Snakes under control, but does he know the difference between a preganglionic fiber and a postganglionic nerve?

Of course he does-he flubbed that on purpose to keep his genetic enhancements a secret.

Exactly.

I meant to tell you on the R&R board: you ought to be glad D&D left out JonC- there's no way they'd have done it right. They'd probably flanderise him into gayngst.

I fucking called it last week : Sansa'a scene with Ramsey was a mirror with the season one scene where Joff shows her Ned's head, complete with her jibbing him.

Because we needed more proof that Sansa's story is stuck in a loop.

A 13-year-old character can't have sex on TV in the UK, afaik. I don't know how reliable this site is, but they say the character is now 'around 18'. And what I meant before was, even if it's less, say 16, he can't act like a little boy or he comes across as a complete idiot.

Forgot the link:

http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Tommen_Baratheon#Behind_the_scenes

Back in Season 1, Loras stated on-screen that Tommen is only eight years old. Four years pass by Season 5, which by this original number would make him only 12 on his wedding night - but when Tommen was recast for Season 4 with an older actor, his age was apparently retconned so that he is around 18 years old in Season 5. Other than retconning this one specific line from Season 1, however, it was indeed possible to increase Tommen's age to around 18 without violating internal story logic (Tommen can't be older than Joffrey would have been).

Let me just say that retcon is ridiculous.

However.

If Tommen is indeed eighteen, then he seems, to my uneducated ey, to present an intellectual disabilitY. He acts like a child and it seems just as bad, y'know?

I might not have minded so much if they actually addressed it on the show but it was just brushed aside without impact as though it was only there for the "didn't last long" jokes.

Sounds like you're confusing Westeros with wherever you live in the real world. Height of presentist stupidity. Come on haters, you can do better than this shit.

Is that even a real word?

And I think you're making a rather common mistake: even if the age of consent is twelve in Westeros, it doesn't mean Tommen magically has the understanding of an adult. He is still a chil, still unable to give meaningful consent and it is still rape, even if it is legal in Westeros.

But they didn't age him intellectually/psychologically, he still behaves like a boy who wants to ban beets. It's yet another example of doing one thing (ageing Tommen) to enable you to do something else (have the character have sex) with little to no regard to logic or consistency.

They explicitly refer to him as being eight years old in season one-so unless a minimum of eight years has passed since, he's barely scraping thirteen and is a child.

Oh well then. Let's have Sansa wake a stone dragon from the depths of Winterfell's crypts and ride it across the north killing all Bolton sympathisers.

No? That's okay. I don't have to defend my choice.

That's a pretty awesome choice though.

LOL Oh please, don't 'help.' Then again, who am I to complain if people enjoy sparring with low brows living under bridges, right? ;)

I just don't want the thread locked yo.

Show Tommen is NOT a child.

Yea he is, actually. Tommen is no more than thirteen right now -his age in season one was stated to be eight.

Idiotic. He was having consensual sex with his wife on their wedding night.

Children cannot consent. And unless you want to get banned, you'll look up the forum policy on denying rape.

You seem to be forgetting that most people in the books think Jeyne is Arya Stark.

No one thinks Jeyne is Arya in the books, anymore than people believed Warbeck was Edward IV's son.

@Cheb *wild applause*

Also, what's your tumblr handle? I keep confusing you and Julia on there.

If you are referring to me, I hope you understand that I wasn't serious. I was horrified by that scene. However, there is an argument out there that Sansa choose to marry the Boltons. A scenario so ridiculous it needs to be mocked relentlessly. And a point made by the article, which I found to be ridiculous.

Whelp I am so sorry. I completely misread your post.

English and I are not getting along today. :blush:

ETA really rereading your comment I am horrified at how badly I misread it. :dunce: :leaving:

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:cheers:

Good illustration.

Pro-tip: maybe not refer to people upset by a girl being raped as crybabies. It achieves very little apart from making you look like a douchebag.

http://i.imgur.com/deGVgpa.png

Q: what you liked the most about the episode.

The answer... :/

My very limited Spanish, is sadly not limited enough.

That's hideous.

I found that last night on Twitter as I was signing off, and just WOW......powerful stuff, and my heart goes out to her. I hope one day she finds some peace and happiness and can have more than an internet hug in her life. Until then, she gets one from me. I admire also, in spite of all the personal issues, that she can see the difference in handling of the subject matter between the books and the show.

One thing I found interesting in that post was this: She mentions not only the crack made to Sophie about getting a love interest, she also mentions that someone on set gave Sophie, by not Iwan who plays Ramsey, a fake wedding card? I haven't kept up with all the behind scenes things lately, as D&D make me sicker and sicker, but I was wondering if anyone knows anything about this? Was Sophie given a fake wedding card? And, by whom?

Whoever it was deserved to be punched.

http://angrygotfan.com/2015/05/21/a-rape-victim-speaks-out-on-the-sansa-scene/

How about this one?

That lady's more a hero than I'd ever be. Powerful stuff.

Nope. Sansa was willing, but Tyrion could sense she didn't want to.

Err i meant "get on" as in "get along " not "get it on". :P

And with this background, Sansa mentioning how nice Tyrion was right before the rape is disgusting. It's like saying, Too bad for her not wanting The Nice Guy She Should Have Wanted, see what it gets her!

Someone remind me :didn't she and tyrion get on in the show?