Vic-tarion Rattlehead

No more than 8 from me. Sack of Winterfell was just lame - what, no Ramsey? Or was he all of the second season secretly posing as Dagmer? Anyway, a very poor adaptation of the book event.

If you haven't read the books, how would you possibly comprehend Jon killing Qhorin? It's looks in the episode, as if he killed him for calling him a SOB and attacking him...

Dany burning Pyat Pree and entombing Xaro and Dorea (!) in a treasure vault? Ahhm, someone here misread the books - Xaro is as gay as Renly - why would he slip with Dorea at all?

And was the horse shit part being really necessary for the visualization of the story? Maybe to incline that whole of this season was FULL OT DUNG?

Now for a bit of positive observations (just a bit) - the dragons were really cute. I appreciate the Others design - now THAT was well done indeed! Arya/Jaquen part was good.

Overall - a very disappointing season. After the very high expectations I'd got from the first season - I expected the following one to be much more interesting, and not just a disappointing brutality contest.

Ooopsy daisy... double post :bang:

Absolutely loved this episode! Gave it my first 10 ever! Till now I was really disappointed with the second season - but it just came and saved the day.

No unnecessary BS, no filler characters and scenes - just good ol' Blackwater massacre. Flawless!

Absolutely loved this episode! Gave it my first 10 ever! Till now I was really disappointed with the second season - but it just came and saved the day.

No unnecessary BS, no filler characters and scenes - just good ol' Blackwater massacre. Flawless!

I'd gave it 8 - a plausible episode, not a great one, but not something outraging either.

My 20 cents summary:

1. Rorge and Biter are just LAME! They should be the scariest monsters of the ACOK, but they are just average bully and his moronic sidekick. No Weasel Soup for you, also.
   
2. Jaime escapes before ASOS... OK fine, I can live with this - at least his conversations with Brienne are laughable.
   
3. Rattleshirt was styled according to the book, no complains here.
   
4. I think Hot Pie is the best actor out of the Harrenhall trio (Arya/Gendry/HP)... And once again - the guy who's playing Ser Gregor is SO wrong for his character.
   
5. Tyrion and Bronn are continuing their Stoogies show - always there to save the day!
   
6. All this Talysa stuff is just so unnecessary - even a viewer with an IQ of Hodor will understand by now that she is Jaine Westerling, so why giving her SOOOOOO much screentime?
   
7. And last one bit - Theon considering giving money to the man whose children he just butchered... :ack:
   

This time - only 5. It wasn't a good episode at all. It's starting to look as if Dagmer is going to turn being Ramsey in the last episode. A lot of unnecessary stuffing just to add shock value. The warlocks in Qarth are going all ninja and Xaro is in liege with them - WTF?! Shae is helping Sansa (Shae never cared for anyone but herself!)? Lord Tywin is getting all sensible and nostalgic and Jaime is killing some filler Lannister character just to add the episode a bit gore... And let's not forget the idiotic bones and rocks Yiggrit conversation with Jon. Are we still watching here an ASOIAF adaptation based on GRRM's book ACOK? It looks more like some second hand semi-medieval fiction for horny teenage nerds.

Gods be good

IT IS KNOWN

I gave it 7. Not a bad episode, but nothing outstanding. Too much dubious material added by the directors/scriptwriters - Roose sending a letter to Ramsay to march on Winterfell (now we can assume, that we're gonna see a glimpse of the bastard in season's last episode); Jayne Westerling posing as some Volantein wench; ser Rodrik executed by Theon; Yigreet flirting with Jon on their first encounter... and of cause the abduction of Dany's dragons by the warlocks. They could avoid all of this stuffing and just leave more screen time to actual book narrative. A shame.

I gave it 8. A good episode, but not an extraordinary one. Brienne's distress after Renlie's murder was very authentic. I like Pyat Pree's adaptation, but I imagined Quaithe's mask completely different. Tyrion/Bronn conversations are hilarious, but they're becoming a standalone comic relief sequences - you can just take them out of each episode and create a mini-series for them alone. The only part that disappointed me was Dagmer - what, no Cleftjaw?

and then Davos is rowing Melisandre to... where? There is no mention of Storm's End and why Davos had to take Mel into a cave with iron bars that didn't use to be there.

They blended together two scenes from the book - Renly's assassination by the Shadow and Davos smuggling Melisandre to Storm's End to kill it's castellan to obtain Edric Storm, by giving birth to another Shadow. AFAIR there was a cave with bars.

This time I'd given it 8 - less than episode 3, but still better than the first two. Overall a good episode. And now, to my 20 cents:

1. Harrenhall was terrifyc! The look of the towers, the missery of the prisoners, the torture scene (not outright in your face, but still very disturbing). The Tickler was great - very alike the original character. The new Mountain is a bit dissapointing - he is tall but kind of skinny, and not menacing as the actor, that was casted in the first seasone. I don't realy dig Lord Tywin's appearence at Harrenhall - it sounds as he is going to replace Roose in using Aria as his cupbearer. :dunno:
   
2. Stannis/Renly/Melisandre part was reliable (no peach, but it's still fine). I still cannot relate to Davos. Shadowbaby was well "produced".
   
3. Quarth part was really intertaining, but Xaro is a bit too galant and less flameboyant than he ought to be.
   
4. Tyrion and Lancel part was very funny. But Peter Dinklage is a kind of win-win situation, as we all know.
   
5. And now, to my only BIG problem with this episode - Joffrey and the whores. While it was definetely well acted and written, I think that scene was too brutal - even while being totally bloodless, it was hard to watch. We allready know that Joffrey is a twisted monster (it's a shame, he haven't a chance to meet Ramsey Bolton - they have SO much in common), but I'm not sure, that the audience needed another reminder of his cruelty - I think his scene with Sansa being brutalysed by Ser Merin Trant was more than enough.
   

A huge improvement since last two episodes - I've gave it a solid 9. Alfie Allen done a great job portraying Theon - I think, he'll be a Hell of a Reek, if they'll ever make ADWD season of the series. I loved all of the Tyrion's appearances in this episode - the Myrsella exchange plot and the assault on Pycelle. Raff the Sweatling looks a bit different from how I have imagined him, but he's done his part of killing of Lommy Greenhands proper. The only character that was a bit disappointing for me in this episode, was Renly - his acting at a tourney was kind of anemic. But Brienne was priceless and it made up for this minor flow.

Renly is gay. He doesn't need outing.

Gregor Clegane was recast because he's an important character. Rakharo is not important to the story.

Mel says that her bed has seen little use since Stannis left. They also share a tent. What else do you think was going on?

Now THAT was a serious answer :dunno:

To end the futile disscusion - can you provide a solid quote from the books about Renlies LGBT prefrences?

The same goes also about Mel/Stannis team actions - is it stated somewhere particularly that they SLEPT together? No? Sharing a tent is not an ancient way to say "consumating" it is only what it sounds to be - just sharing a tent. And maybe Mel's bed was cold lately, because she stoped sleeping herself, being to worried and busy? A serious quote about the subject would be nice.

Rakharo is not an essential character, on this I can agree with you - but do you suggest, that the film directors will also kill Reacon (he is deffenetly not an important character also)?

Sooo,you've worked out that Balon is in his forties and then concluded that a 67yr old is too young looking to play him?

Ookay....... :dunno:

IMHO

Balon Greyjoy too young?Patrick Malahide is 67 years old.

What age do you think Balon is?

Let's see... The First Greyjoy rebellion took place 9 years before the starting of GOT and Theon was already 10 years old (with him being Balon youngest son). Theons elder brothers both took part in the rebellion, so the oldest of them should be at least 15 (at this age Balon himself killed his first man) then he was killed. So inclining that he fathered his first son at the age of what... 16? We'll have this sum - 16+15+9= The Iron King should be at least 40 years old - and you should keep in mind, that in the middle ages people didn't just lived happily till the age of 88 like in our times, and they looked older - especially a seasoned reaver like Balon, who's whole life was dedicated to warfare and permanent stress.

He shouldn't look as old as Maester Aemon of cause, but still - in the series he looks a bit too young.

Well clearly his readers aren't intelligent as he'd like, as Loras/Renly and Mel/Stannis are quite obvious in the novels and yet so many readers seem oblivious to them.

The actor who plays Rakharo got offered a bigger role. So, instead of having him disappear, they killed him and let Doreah live instead.

It's also pointed out in the books that Craster sacrifices his sons. We don't know what happens to the sons, but we know that they get sacrificed.

There is a big difference between implying things thru clues and knowing facts for sertain - have you seen Renly at the last Pride Parade in Berlin? No? So why are you outright outing him? Everything should come at its proper time - if you want the movie to be reliable for the book hardcore fans. They re-casted Ser Gregor, not killed him - so it wasn't mandatory to kill Rakharo, they just could find another actor.

And what exactly is so obvious about Melisandre bedding Lord-Broomstickuphisass-Stannis? Can you quote for me where it said in the books? And please don't start with this shadow babies nonsense - she used blood, not sperm to create her spawns.

I've gave it 5. While in the first episode I was mostly frustrated about the casting issues, in the current one my point of concern was the blatant adding of unnecessary footage.

Some people here are saying, that it was necessary to show Stannis and Mellisandre sharing their body fluids atop of the map of Westeros, as it was necessary to show in the first season Renly getting a blowjob from Ser Loras. Well, I disagree with you. There is no need to chow every bit of info from the books to help the audience swallow it - GRRM haven't showed this stuff "on-screen" in his writing for a purpose - he was aiming to a bit more intelligent reader. And the film directors are definitely trying hard to make this season more RATING-vice than QUALITY-vice. Maybe they'll add some cameo appearance of Harry Potter in the sixth episode? It also can increase the DVD sells afterwards... Chuck Norris can also save the day!

I have no problem with the vivacity of the sex scenes - GRRM provided plenty of these thro out his books. But all of these brothel sequences with an non existing Ros character (who is fucking her way thru the whole Westeros - and with the help of the script writers maybe will sit the Iron Throne some day) is a waste of a screen time - and we all know - that ten one-hour-episodes are clearly not enough to cover all of ACOK.

The Iron Islands part was OK. Asha (it is really awkward for me to call her Yara) is nothing like I always imagined her, and Balon Greyjoy is a bit too young, but they are bearable...

Two moments that pissed me off were: the death of one of Dany's bloodriders - Aggo, Jhogo and Rakharo are alive thro out all of the books - so why are you killing one of them? And also the encounter of Jon in the woods with Craster smuggling his son - as far as ADWD we have no curtain knowledge of what was the fate of his children. So why do the script writers are taking so much freedom in revealing all of GRRM's secrets so soon?

I've just realized, that the guy with the beard that is talking to Jon/Sam/Grenn is Dolorous Edd - I thought it was Pyp who's grown a beard! Now that's a Hell of a BAD casting job!!! It's turning worse with every moment. And Rorge is looking just filthy, not menacing at all (and he's got a nose!).

Sadly, for me it was a big disappointment - cast-vice and also script-vice. I've gave this episode 5 out of 10, and I will gladly explain why.

First of all I have a big confession to make - I'm a HUGE fan of the first season and I was anticipating eagerly the coming of a second one. Yesterday morning I'd just bought the complete first season DVD at a local retailer store, and I was soooo exited to witness what have they done out of the brand new one... And then it all came crumbling down on me.

I'll just break it down:

1. Melisandre - maybe she (Carice van Houten) is acting reliably, according to a character, but that not how she supposed to look - she should be taller (not as Brienne or Gregor, but still she is not impressive enough) and more voluptuous (blame GRRM, not me).
   
2. Stannis - while he is acting good (looking so anxious about his precious righteousness), he is not looking at all as he supposed to look - bold man with a beard cropped so short, that it looks painted on his face.
   
3. Davos - now to make Davos Seaworth to look remarkable is a hard task for any artist (he is supposed to be looking VERY average), so for this character, the most important task will be actors performance to be trustworthy, and meanwhile, the acting is plane indifferent.
   
4. Craster - we have here the same problem as with Yoren casting from a previous season - they (the casting team) just seem to have a disability (or just not willing to) to present unkempt and ugly characters. Craster should be fatter, with a shaggy beard, stooped and gross. The actor that represents him, could as well be cast to play Mace Tyrell or Rendil Tarly - he doesn't seem at all like wildling. He does actually looks like a pervert that he is, when he is talking to/about his daughters (and that's a good achievement).
   

It can be remarked, that all of the points I highlighted above are abundance to actors interpretations and directors perception of the book/script, but for me - one of the important aspects in successfully turning a book in to a movie, is finding a suitable cast, that can reflect the characters reliably.

And now, to my second body of complaints:

ACOK is a great book - I like it even more than AGOT (the best one of all the ASOIAF until now, IMHO - is ASOS) and while the movie script is always open to writers innovations, they are not always do justice to the original story.

1. What was this scene with Robb confronting Jamie in a cell is added for? To try and make Jamie look more human and vulnerable to the audience? IMO - it was utterly a waste of screen time (you want Jamie to show some fear? Wait till they'll make a season about ASOS - you'll have plenty of it). The direwolf actually doesn't help here at all - a pretty unreliable CG, not menacing at all.
   
2. Why did they took the prologue out of its place and stuck in a middle of an episode? It made it look very jumpy and strange, to get introduction of completely new set of characters, in the middle of all of the familiar once.
   

All that I wrote here doesn't incline, that I'm not looking toward the second episode. Maybe my bad impression will fade away, the moment I'll glance what's coming further. I hope so, I really do.

Well, now it's my turn, I presume...

Hi, I'm Alex.

I've finished all of the five books in a row last year, and now looking for some conspiracy talk on these forums.

Hmm...

Oh yeah - Lemmy is the God!