Ser Desmond Wine's Bane

Felt no urge to watch whatsoever. Show's previous sins means they won't be getting views from me this season.

1 hour ago, Tooms said:

TV shows you what matters when it matters and nothing else.

Nice quote. I think I will get some fine use out this!

39 minutes ago, Señor de la Tormenta said:

even "hodor" has been spoiled

 

congratulations fat lazy man. 

and

32 minutes ago, unJon said:

Hodor!

and you bookies are wrong if you think d&d invented that. That reeks of GRRM. 

Only if a door suddenly teleports its way into the cave.

1 hour ago, hallam said:

D&D aren't the people who persuaded HBO to take the series? I think that you will find that the sequence of events was that they decided they wanted to do a series on the books, then then got GRRM on board and then they got the HBO execs on board.

Without them, no series.

So when folk are talking them down about how miserably stupid they are, I think to myself that they have actually produced the most successful series on television and the critics have not. So when people try to puff themselves up and make themselves appear important by running them down, I come to a rather different conclusion to the one intended.

 

I misread you. My apologies. I thought the people referred to in the second sentence were the same as those the first sentence was about.

As for the second sentence, I must disagree. Most Successful doesn't mean Best. It doesn't even necessarily mean Good. It certainly doesn't mean it is, or should be, immune from criticism.

However, I do draw the line at personally attacking someone for having a different opinion, as one particular person has done here. Fortunately I blocked them some time back.

Just now, Sandsnake820 said:

Tower of Joy today????

 

Nah. I guess a week or two. Other plots will advance first.

This ep should create a bit of a stir.

1 minute ago, Barty said:

In the books i dont think so - Maybe he met Stannis when Ned lifted the siege of Storm's End - but thats like 17 years ago. But when has logic ever stopped D&D from doing what they want.

I was thinking the war against the Iron Isles about 9-10 years previous. Stannis lead the 7K fleet. "Maybe" Roose was in Ned's army?

All hail Balon The Great. The true survivor and winner of the War of the Five Kings.

My god, did Mel acquire the LF teleporter or something?

She always had one. Remember half the Lannister army couldn't find the BWB for 3 years but she teleported there from Dragonstone in two weeks.

Men... I wish I could pay my debts walking naked around the city...

:cheers:

I was never a huge fan of Stannis, but what's D&D's beef with him?

I am far from a Stannis fan either, but this show character is so far from the actual character, they should have just changed his name like Talisa.

Stannis died when he lost to fucking Ramsey. Literally a joke.

Stannis died when D&D started writing him

Lol @ everyone shitting on it.

See ya in season 6.

I'll still be here. I'll watch it on Youtube a couple of hours after release same as I have this season.

ARE TARGS IMMUNE TO GREYSCALE?

Book canon: no they are not. Targs have had greyscale

Show canon: who knows, they will just make it up.

This is one of those "you chose to get your knickers in a bunch over THAT? Over geography?" If you're going at that, here's a bigger plothole for you, if you can easily get to the south side of the wall by the sea, why were the wildlings so stupid to climb across the wall for all those centuries? Why did they attack a giant block of ice in the middle of nowhere when they could have just built some rafts and merrily paddle across to where there's no wall or, dunno, learn boatbuiding? Ancient Egyptians knew how to build boats, I am pretty sure even Sumerians knew a bit of boat building. It's not like they lacked wood with all the fences they've put up.

In 8000 years NOBODY figured that out?

Nice of you to notice this point. Very clever.

If only GRRM hadn't established this as the very reason the Shadow Tower and Eastwatch were still manned - and why the women of Bear Island spent the centuries since the Starks settled them there *fighting off the attacks fro the sea from the Iron Born and the Wildlings*.

Nice try though.

. I wouldn't be giving it a 1 just because I didn't like it. Really petty.

I really don't understand your point.

If a person really didn't like it, 1 is a perfectly valid and honest score for them to give.

But that's all book knowledge, isn't it? I'm not sure if that information has ever been provided in the show. In the show, seeing as how Stannis's army came along the north side of the Wall, it's barely arguable that travelling along the north side made more sense. But to me it's another example of the show's occasional carelessness over relatively easy things to get right - if Jon and co had simply left Castle Black along the north side of the wall in the first place, I wouldn't have registered the return on the north as weird. But the fact that they left from the south side, and then came back along the north side, made it jarring.

The show has established that

1) Eastwatch-by-the-Sea is one of the 3 fortresses manned by the Night's Watch

2) Stannis's Fleet was harboured at Eastwatch-by-the-Sea.

So, no, its isn't all book knowledge whatsoever.

I don't read the books so I don't know what side of the wall he was supposed to be on?

What side were they supposed to arrive at?

He had a fleet of boats. He could have landed

A) North of the Wall where the Army of the dead is, or

B.) South of the Wall where at a Night's Watch fortress called 'Eastwatch-by-the-Sea' that he himself was in command of and could get supplies and aid their march to Castle Black protected from the Army of the Dead by a 700 foot wall.

Even more convenient is that Eastwatch-by-the-Sea is a safe harbour for the fleet and is where it was anchored for him, and to where it would be returning after dropping him ashore.

.I believe it is best to put the book and the show in two separate shelves and enjoy them for what they are. Stop the damn nitpicking.

It's TV - sit relax and enjoy....

I will nit pick about whatever I want to nitpick about.

The only reason I have spent any time on this show at all is precisely because I read the books. If it were not for that, I wouldn't watch the show at all.

Its TV - I will happily critique anything I choose and am under compulsion to find it enjoying. If it is not enjoyable I will say so.

Eta: it is quite interesting to me that the most votes came in at 1 & 8! 100 & some a piece. What a vast difference.

I put it down to a lot of people in the 8 category put a lot of emphasis on technical things like set design, costumes and production, while a lot of people below 4 put emphasis on 'how much did I enjoy this episode'. Both would appear to be valid ways of making a rating.

Oh I couldn't agree more & for the record I didn't change my vote.

People can rate anyway they choose & I will do the same. My issue is exactly yours only the opposite way. People rating at 1 to bring the curve down. Not dying everyone who rated 1 did that (although like I said before I have a hard time understanding who would continue to watch a show they hated) but some of them are undoubtedly rating lower than they would have because they are irritated with the 9's & 10's.

No doubt there are many who do that - and that is the very reason Ran does the top and bottom cuts when he does the stats...

But in the years I've been watching these polls then amount of "I voted 10 to counter the low votes" comments vastly outweighs the reverse. Most notably there was an episode a couple of years back when the 1 votes hit double figures rather quickly. The amount of 'I gave 10 because...' outraged comments we more than the number of 1 votes as a response, so I quite happily call people out on that BS ever since. (In that particular instance I gave the episode a 7 iirc)

I want to change my vote to a 10 to counteract some of the 1's.

Seriously 1? I wouldn't sit through a whole episode of something I would rate at a 1 & if you didn't watch the whole thing you have no business rating it.

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To rate it a 1 seems as if either you are a book purist & cannot stand the fact things have changed or nothing ever will make you happy. Of course that's just my opinion.

People can watch what ever they want to watch and rate based on whatever criteria they want to rate on. You only rate on things you have positive thoughts on (because of the self censoring process you use) that is fine.

On the last point, there is another option: people did not have a positive experience and rated it accordingly. That is perfectly valid and far more honest than hate-voting a 10 due to not liking someone else's rating.

Ser Desmond - Ramsay did say the same thing, though, in slightly different words. If I remember right, he complains that Jeyne is too 'dry' and says, "Reek, prepare her for me.". Reek says, "But I have no..." and Ramsay replies, "Use your mouth, fool." That's close enough. The Jeyne scene in the 5th novel is much worse.

Exactly. Thank you for demonstrating my point. He didn't say it about Sansa.

The viewers are also to blame. We saw endless discussions about lines like “Fetch me a block” and “Ït was Cat”. But we hear nobody complain about a much more relevant sentence that was deleted: “Reek, make her wet for me”. Why wasn’t this brutal and insightful sentence included?

Because Ramsay never told Reek to make Sansa wet for him in the books.

It probably doesn't, but I tend to have a bad feeling about votings dominated by rage induced decisions.

Well that would be a valid justification for giving a score on a poll 'Rating of other people's opinions' rather than 'Rate the episode'.

to counterbalance a bit against the many emotionally motivated votes, I gave it an 8.

Why does emotional motivation require counterbalancing?

A 1/10 rating means that 90% of everything in the episode failed, which would include costume design, art direction, cinematography, directions, acting, the development of each subplot (not just Dorne and Winterfell), the music, the continuity between episodes, the editing, the F/X, the humour, the introduction, the ending, each characterization...

..but nearly all those points have been addressed - and sometimes entirely in one post. The 10% ratings seems sort of wild to me but that doesn't necessarily mean that it goes without reason, and this is coming from a suck-up who voted 8/10.

People use different criteria for making their rating.

Some people give consideration to technical aspects. Some to acting, writing, plot consistency, direction.

Some people give consideration to the question "How much did I enjoy it?" If their enjoyment is '1' then it is a valid score.