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  1. Can't they somehow merge Daeron's actions into Aemond's, and have the latter fly on his dragon (ie. at the speed of the plot) from the Riverlands to the Reach just in time for the battle of Honeywine, do all the slaughter there is to do in the Reach (ie. Bitterbridge)... then leave (for instance because he got wind of Daemon's whereabouts) just before the second battle of Tumbleton, to go back to the Riverlands and die there ? I mean of course I would be saddened if they leave Daeron out, but it seems more or less doable plot-wise.
  2. Inevitably. There always will be seditious lords, malcontents, plotters and would-be rebels, even if Rhaenyra makes a decent job of ruling. There is an argument going like this: "well, yes, malcontent lords could gather around Aegon's claim, but he can just say no". Except it doesn't work like that. Even if Aegon remains steadfastly loyal, he will not cease to be a potential rallying point for all and sundry, whether he wants it or not. Do we really think that dear uncle Daemon would not have thought about that? He would probably have had his nephews gelded and thrown into a black cell at the first whiff of rebellion in the Realm.
  3. We are of the same mind. "Septemtrio delenda est", as said Lord Cato of House Porcia.
  4. Exactly. Sure the rebels can keep fighting if their objective is the extirpation of the whole Targaryen dynasty root and stem. And they might very well win, but would it be really worth the effort? Can they sell to their bannermen and to the people of Westeros that the fight must continue even if the mad king is dead, and his heir a child under the protection of a house (Lannister) who did not fight the rebellion?
  5. That would be playing it on the defense, and a very powerless defense at that, always at the mercy of the Queen's change of mind or of court politics. Surest way to get the princes out of harm's way is to get them on the throne. As I said several times in Episode 6's thread, Aegon and his brothers are not some random cousins or nephews. They might be the rightful heirs to the Iron throne. No way any smart ruler would allow them to remain at liberty for ever.
  6. Damn. Then the Seven Kingdoms really can do nothing to prevent the North from declaring their independence and/or invading the South whenever they see fit. Goading the Ironborn and the Free Folk into periodically invading the North might be the ticket then.
  7. Indeed. It would require arduous, extensive work: rebuild and develop the fortifications so that they can now be useful against the north, drain the swamps, and exterminate all Crannogmen. If this requires too much effort, then an easier solution is to confiscate the Twins for the Crown.
  8. Yes but I think we are talking about a scenario where dragons have, again, disappeared (ie. after Danearys gets regicided by Snow). Whoever eventually sits on the Iron Throne, the North must be brought to heel. So holding Moat Cailin as a collateral seems mandatory. Another option would be to split it in two separate kingdoms, each with its own paramount lord: for instance the Karstarks would be ruling over the northern half from Karhold and the Manderlys on the southern half from White Arbor. Or just carve it up equally between the Ironborn and the King beyond the Wall.
  9. Well, it just makes sense, doesn't it ? Once Tommen, Stannis and Aegon VI are dead, and then Danearys gets murdered by her bastard lover Snow (if the show GoT is right on this), Edric Storm is the only candidate left. He is the son of the last undisputed king of Westeros, whose reign was quite peaceful compared to what came after. If I were a Westerosi lord, I would see Edric's claim as the best chance to bring back peace to the Realm.
  10. Yes, but I guess one could rebuild it in such way that it could also serve against the North. That should be the first item on King Edric's list after he gets the Iron Throne at end of the series.
  11. Well, it seems to me since Episode 6 that the show portrays the bastardy as: - Something that is an open secret, known (or strongly suspected) by virtually everyone at Court: this was confirmed in this episode by Aegon's line and the total lack of reaction from either Viserys or anyone in the room (they all know); - Something that nobody really cares about except Alicent (thus hammering to modern viewers that she is very mean and petty or something). I believe these two treatments are mutually exclusive: - Either you portray the Velaryons' bastardy as something that only us viewers know for certain, and only some characters suspect, more or less vaguely: then you can indeed portray Alicent's accusations as irresponsible or scandalous, as was argued by many people in Episode 6's thread; - Or you portray this bastardy as an open secret: then, in any realistic medieval setting (or Westerosi, for that matter), it should be seen as a major embarrassment for Rhaenyra and her would-be partisans; a source of endless gossip and outrage (sincere or not) at Court, in the streets of King's Landing (imagine the songs they would make of this in Flea Bottom) and in every castle across the land; a looming crisis waiting to explode (this could actually have explained nicely her hasty departure to Dragonstone). In this situation, it would necessarily impact Viserys: even if he himself does not care about the issue (because the children are Targaryen from their mother side, it is all that matters), he surely cares about his heir's standing, which would be seriously eroded. In short, I feel the show tried to have their cake and eat it: they wanted to lay the bastardy in the open while at the same time giving us more reasons to hate Alicent without handicapping too much Rhaenyra. It does not work, at least for me.
  12. Alternatively a wise king would rebuild extensively Moat Cailin and use it a royal citadel against any Northern invasion. Come to think of this, it is surprising that no Targaryen king ever thought of erecting "royal fortresses" across the Realm: Harrenhal obviously comes to mind. Time and again the kings had the opportunity to seize it for themselves but they kept granting it to a new family. I guess it is a by-product of the obvious "medieval stasis" at work in GRRM's universe, but it makes the Targaryens quite dumb. Ideally, a strong Iron Throne should be in direct control of: Moat Cailin, the Twins, Harrenhal, the Bloody Gate, plus some other royal arsenal in the south along the Mander.
  13. Exactly. The war is over in an instant. I guess Joffrey could maybe save his head, if Tywin folds quick enough and Cersei's children are very publicly denounced as bastards: then they would pose no threat whatsoever and can be sent to live their lives in seclusion and indignity somewhere in the Westerlands. I actually think saving Jaime's life would be trickier, especially since he is Robb's captive (or is he already on the loose at the time ?). Once firmly on his throne, I suppose Renly would eventually be able to bring the North to submission (ie. get Robb to renounce his title of king and swear fealty as Warden of the North). Invade the Riverlands, send the Royal/Reach Fleet to blockade White Harbor, and let the Ironborn loose on the other side. That, plus the growing threat of the Wildlings in the north, should be enough to convince Robb to renounce his crown.
  14. If Stannis doe not manage to kill Renly with black magic (and is then utterly smashed between Renly's host and Storm's end), what does it mean for the course of the war ? It seems to me the war would be over almost as soon as it began: Renly marches on KL with a huge host (Reach + Stormlands + eventual defectors from Stannis' side, depending if Stannis is dead or not), and takes the city. Would Tywin even dare to march south and risk battle against such a powerful host ? It probably does not matter: if he does, he faces overwhelming odds (but I guess he still has a faint chance of victory, if he manages to take Renly unaware). If he does not and stays idle in the Riverlands, he is doomed, soon to be trapped between Renly and the Northmen. Best he can hope is negotiate terms with Renly, disown his own daughter and retreat back to the Westerlands, a thoroughly defeated man.
  15. Yes, but can they keep up fighting (ie. launching a direct attack on King's Landing) if their official objectives (ie. avenging the crimes of Aerys and overthrowing him) are now moot ?
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