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hmmm lets see Lord Tywin, some infiltrator got into your inner sanctum and killed a trusted Lt with a poison dart

your cupbearer was taken out of a group of prisoners, is a lying overeducated northern noble child who by your own accounts is courageous

I know lets hang 20 of our own menand not not at the elephant giving us mutton

Soup. It's soup she's giving them.

Here’s my point: Cut some things, I get it. But if the fastest way from A to B is a straight line and (and- don’t forget this next part when you argue with me) the story is not dramatically improved by the pointless detour… SKIP IT!

Ah, but the pacing for episode 5 may be dramatically improved by the pointless detour...perhaps.

The only thing I didn't like about this episode was that it did not end where I expected it to. I thought for sure we would end this one with

Renly's death in the tent

and that would set up the cliffhanger for next week. It would have been epic. I don't know why they would push that to the beginning of next week's episode.

More likely it will be closer to the end of next week's episode, I think it will give them more time to work the scene from Cat or Brienne's perspective.

I was thinking the opposite - do you really need Meera? Jojen is a greenseer. He's the one who knows about the Three-Eyed Crow and convinces Bran to go North.

If you're going to tack close to the books, Jojen gets pretty seriously ill. I guess you don't need Meera, but it would help if Hodor doesn't have to carry both Bran AND Jojen himself. I guess that leaves Cold Hands...

Bran is growing a moustache.

Loras... ugh. That's all. It's not because he's gay. It's because he's unattractive

oooo what you just said...

So am I the only one really wondering how the Reek and Jeyne scene is going to be portrayed? I am not looking forward to that one.

Just the thought gives me cold shivers

The LF cleaning off the mouth of his worker grossed me out far more than any guy-on-guy scene would.

Totally agreed. that was serious ick.

Yara or Whatever The Show Named Her: Somebody else said it and it bares repeating: this “Theon’s Sister” possesses none of the charisma and polish of the book’s character. Now, part of that HAS to be that you have to cut SOMETHING. This was Theon’s episode, not Yara’s. Hence, she has to be muzzled. But … how about a little something? And she looks so cowed he whole time.

She probably shouldn't have the charisma. Remember, she's doesn't have the pull that Victarion nor Euron has. It's not just because she's female, but it's well established that she doesn't have the commanding presence nor the popularity required. She's supposed to be somewhat unlikeable.

So maybe you missed my point. I'm not complaining about all the straight/lesbian sex in the show. You obviously aren't. So why are you complaining about the hardly existent gay sex?

Wow, way to manufacture a complaint out of simply stating that I'm nonplussed by it.

This is why I've asked you to calm down.

So, please calm down.

Maybe not homophobic, but definitely unintelligent.

So you were wrong, and now you're resorting to insults.

I haven't made an ad hominem attack on you.

Just show that you're a decent person and let it go.

By this, you mean you slept through high school biology.

Ha ha. It's not that you missed the point, you clearly ducked.

I think it's more like...if you don't like it or it grosses you out, whatever, you may want to keep that to yourself. Otherwise, you will come across as homophobic to many people on here. If you haven't noticed, the people on this forum are generally pretty liberal and open-minded when it comes to homosexuality.

Look, I grew up in San Francisco. Gay family friends and all that. Homosexuality is a part of the tapestry of society. I simply don't happen to be gay, and I don't understand the attraction or the fuss. To be quite frank, I still haven't come to understand why women are attracted to men. There's no judgment there, I simply don't grok it.

Nothing more, nothing less. Don't read too much into it.

But you were the one complaining in the first place.

No. I just said I don't understand all the fuss. That's all. Calm down.

Simply put, this is homophobia. Whatever you believe about gay people, you ought to keep it to yourself. Straight sex is not hot to me, but you don't see me complaining about it. It's a part of the show and it's a fact of life. Sheesh.

So there's something wrong with not finding men attractive? Seriously?

I think you're a little hyper-sensitive there, friend.

Reeds are cut :( Sorry to break it to you. It sucks.

BOO!

Wow. Just wow. I don’t think I’ve ever meant even a lesbian who would dare such a thing. And at least they wouldn’t have to see the object of their loathing in the mirror each morning.

Now "loathing" is crossing the line.

I just said unattractive.

Stop making things up.

Renly and Loras aren't quite prominent characters, particular? They don't have POVs and aren't the biggest stars in the series, but they are definitely more prominent than random whores.

well, Renly drives the plotline for Stannis for a short time, so I guess he's important that way. Loras, well...he's totally a pawn.

The reason it's so not hot too you is because you are not gay. Not every scene or storyline is going to be something that you can relate to. That doesn't mean that writers just "shouldn't bother."

No, not the writers! The characters! Like...what's the attraction?

You have a good point...I don't/can't relate.

and why is two men kissing who are in love and both a very important part of the books a "why bother?" compared to unimportant characters who are clearly in a scene just for the gratuitous sex? Yes, yes, and it was to show some of LF's true personality as well.

No no, not as in storyline. I totally get that. And whether they are "very important" or not is kind of arguable.

Simply put, I just can't wrap my head around why two men would be attracted to each other. Men are at best unattractive to begin with. Like...George Clooney or this Loras fellow. So Not Hot. So why bother?

HBO-Shae is uninteresting because book-Shae is uninteresting. The writers would have done well to have eliminated her completely from the story, but once they decided to keep her they had no choice but to deal with her.

Shae is all about Tyrion and his relationship with Jaime. She needs to be there.

And honestly, two men kissing is a good change from the frequent two prostitutes rehearsing...

but two prostitutes rehearsing never gets old and two men kissing is just kinda "why bother?"

I do they think they keep trying to make Cersei likable, and I just don't get it. She is a psychopath. With the way she asks in AFFC, how can she possibly be turned into a more sympathetic character? She definitely suffers from narcissistic personality disorder and borderline personality disorder, if you ask me.

She's quite sociopathic, even in her POV chapters.

Hopefully HBO does some serious work on the Renly character over the next few episodes, because I don't see him lasting past episode 6.

Episode 4.

I think TV version of Asha is hot. But then it's all how she carries herself, her demeanor, if you will. There's more than eye-candy going on there.

I liked the part where Will Smith punches the alien in the face and says 'Welcome to Earth!'

Oh wait. Wrong forum.