Lady Fevre Dream

3 hours ago, TormundsWoman said:

I think on the whole the same as you.

It also was good to see Vaemond trying to advance these ideas because it will set up the fallout of who is heir for the Velaryons (from the book).

These things that Vaemond says about bloodlines and Rhaenyra’s kids not being Valeryons by blood make Vaemond’s entire claim to Driftmark in F&B. Of course it never crosses his mind that Leana’s daughters are next in line even if Rhaenyra’s kids are discounted. 
 

Which brings back the theme of women being passed over for men:

I wonder how Rhaenys would feel if Corlys would make his peace with this and gifted all possessions to Vaemond by naming him his heir. Bet that she’d suddenly fight tooth and nail just like her husband is for a piece of what he sees as her inheritance that was taken away from her.

Yes, Vaemond was basically alluding to most everything that was alluded to last week, when it wasn't said outright, LOL  Having read that the show seems it will follow the book in regard to Vaemond and perhaps the Silent Five (?), it's a good setup for the claim to Driftmark, and of course Vaemond leaves out the girls.  As you say, the theme of women being passed over for men is shown.  It makes me wonder if that is Vaemond's natural tendency or further proof of his own self interest.  Probably both.  I have to say, though, the actor has brought Vaemond to life just as well as all the rest of the performers for House Velaryon.  This episode made me really miss the idea of seeing more of them.  All of them, all ages.  

Ah, interesting questions on different scenarios for Rhaenys and Corlys, but now I'd have to choose which version to try them all out on, book or show.  Add in an offer to marry one of the girls to Vaemond or one of his sons and we'd have yet another possible layer.  I am looking forward to seeing how things evolve between the Rhaenys and Corlys and how the show changes might take us different places than we'd expect as readers.   

HA:  Found this on Twitter.  I guess we weren't the only ones to translate Vaemond's eulogy, so to speak.  

13 hours ago, Raksha 2014 said:

If Laenor returns later on in the show, then Rhaenyra and Daemon's sons will be denounced as bastards.  It makes no sense for Laenor to return or reappear in any way.  Actually, it would have made more sense for Daemon to have quietly killed him without Rhaenyra's connivance.  

I wish I knew why Daemon was giggling at his wife's funeral and why none of the Velaryons objected or tried to kill him for the insult to Laena.  And why he seems to have no further interest in his daughters.

I thought Daemon was snickering at Vaemond Velayron's not so veiled remarks about Rhaenyra and "Laenor's" children.  He could hear the complaints and accusations of bastardy in Vaemond's glowing words spoken about what it means to be of House Velayron in relation to Laena and HER Velaryon children.  I took it as Daemon hearing it as a comparison and that he couldn't help but laugh at Vaemond's crassness in using Laena's funeral to get these veiled insults on record.  Hell, I suppose that is the main reason the writers had Vaemond deliver the remarks.  Still, I want to rewatch it (should I have the time, barely have the time to post, much less rewatch) to get the full gist of it.  These were my initial thoughts, though.

20 hours ago, Cas Stark said:

Yeah me too.  I'm fine with it.  I didn't love much of the developments that happened in Winds, didn't love most of the sample chapters either content or writing, with some exceptions, didn't love the admittedly bastardized GOT ending, and in fact, have not loved the story itself, again with some exceptions, since Storm of Swords.  It's a shame, and I  it.

HI!!  I saw you post a couple times and was going to say HI, but I've had a crazy few weeks and thought I might not do it justice......but:  HELLO!!  

It is a damn shame.  The funny thing is.....I can forget about the show, for the most part, remember how I do love so many characters, would like some answers, some resolution, but also:  I do wonder if I'm better off without it, HA  What limbo would be worse:  Limbo now, or limbo after Winds?  I think that's where I'm at, and ck worry about being left in limbo after Winds.....when I'm okay now, is maybe the only thing that makes me think we MIGHT get Winds, someday.  Murphy's Law and all.  

I just think it's best to look at it this way.  I get something I do, I don't..then I don't.  I certainly can't do anything about it, right?  

(Luckily, I backbuttoned out of your quotes, not my response.  Sorry about that)

On 3/12/2022 at 7:58 PM, The Bard of Banefort said:

We seem to have collectively left the denial stage of grief and moved on to anger. Bargaining’s next, right? “We can live without ADOS, all we need is Winds!” Oy vey. 

LOL  I passed the bargaining one about getting Winds and living without ADOS a long time ago.  No doubt, I'd like to get Winds, I had come to acceptance I won't get Dream, basically.....but now, I think I've back tracked to just about accepting (believing and being ok with) not even getting Winds at this point.  I do, I do, I don't I don't.  

On 3/9/2022 at 5:05 PM, Ran said:

Yes.

LOL  You're a tease.  

I am just playing, it's cool to know there is a definite answer to how all the dragons look.  

Still, what a tease.  

1 minute ago, Cas Stark said:

I was cheering Drogon.  I admit it.  My partner left the room, LMAO.

LOLOL  My other locks himself in another room. 

4 minutes ago, Cas Stark said:

No it was never in the show, but having the ceiling fall on them as they embraced was underwhelming.  They're not Romeo and Juliet.  She is a POS who if anyone deserved to be burned alive it was Cersei.

LOL  I was calling for Dany to get to that damn window, even before she went whack, and bit after, LOL 

7 minutes ago, bloodsteel bitterraven said:

The episode is titled "The Bells"

Really? 

22 minutes ago, Pandean said:

very helpful

The battle started basically with Dany burning Euron's fleet, the armies arrayed could hear it on the other side of the city, they all looked about to go..........the booms got closer and Drogon blew the City Gate from behind the Golden Co.  Battle, battle, burning of soldiers, fighting,, all over, then as Dany lands on the roof and the surrender bells go off, so does she........not straight to the Red Keep but all the sudden after her whacked look......she started burning the city and buildings and people indiscriminately.  Every thing you can think of, I got worn out for Drogon watching it.  Poor guy, LOL

8 minutes ago, of man and wolf said:

damn you're right. He is next to Varys.

Yup, it took some work, but that is Ghost.  Thank you to all who found him.  Hmmmm, maybe a few Dothraki made it too, then?  LOL  No one left alive, direwolves and dragons included, should have to die for Cersi The Boring. 

Ok, two questions:  One

1.  Did Ghost make it?  I am not sure>

2.  Am I the only one that thought Jon was trying tame Undead Viserion at the end there?  LOLOL  The way he sprang up and just YELLED in his face reminded me of Dany taming Drogon in Daznik's Pit? 

7 minutes ago, Red Dragon10 said:

I knew I had read something about this the other day, so I went on a hunt: this is a copy and paste (sweetsunray was the original poster, in the 'Arya Losin' It' thread):

"The answer is mentioned in the SSM archive of a whole day of conversations with GRRM during Balticon by 2 people who went together. And one of them also reported the actual conversation: ("me" is one of the two people going there)

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Me: So Arya and Gendry, I felt like there were many romantic undertones between them in the books. Are you building towards something between them? Are you planning on developing a future relationship?..

GRRM: *smiling* I'm going to visit them again, but I'm not spoiling everything for you. They are still very young.

Me: But you wrote the Mercy chapter...

GRRM: Yes, I did write Mercy. Arya is growing up fast, but not as fast as her actress Maisie. *has a little chuckle*..

Me: Will Arya be flowering in TWOW?..

GRRM: *nods his head and smiles again* Soon..

 

Thank you very much. 

3 hours ago, Jabar of House Titan said:

I agree; it was a little forced but in comparison to the other forced or out-of-character moments, this felt better so I can rock with it. I feel like that this a major character beat from the novels for Arya.

GRRM has already confirmed that Arya is going to flower in Winds which in their often-backwards world means that she is no longer a girl but a maiden. Not quite a woman grown but old enough to consent to sex and marriage ostensibly.

It might not be with Gendry (very likely) but Arya is definitely not going to die or survive the series a virgin.

I'm asking if there is a GRRM quote for this, as it seems to suggest.

Just now, dbunting said:

Your welcome, and I was hiding that little bit because not everyone reads those chapters.

I must not have been clear in my meaning. I know very well how the body works, what I am saying is that there is no reason for Arya to develop in some aspects and not "flower". 

I didn't put anything from the Mercy chapter out and about, but considering most of the Mercy chapter has been done on the show anyway, I'm not sure what the big deal is.  Mainly, I was asking the first person for a quote from GRRM, as was implied in the post. 

19 minutes ago, dbunting said:

I'm going to reply in spoilers because it's from the chapters GRRM has released from the next book.

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In the next book a chapter on Arya says she has breasts, I think the midget from the play pinches them specifically. So, I assume that means puberty and the rest? I know a girl can develop breasts before "flowering" but there is no reason for it in a story. 

 

I have read the Mercy chapter, thanks.

I was just hoping to see a quote from GRRM saying that Arya would flower in Winds.  That's the way the poster seemed to word it in their post.  All kinds of development happens before menstruation actually occurs.  I'm not sure why you say their is no place for it in a story, we've already seen how one instance of 'flowering' fed into a character's story in the moment, and....as growth in general. 

2 hours ago, Jabar of House Titan said:

I agree; it was a little forced but in comparison to the other forced or out-of-character moments, this felt better so I can rock with it. I feel like that this a major character beat from the novels for Arya.

GRRM has already confirmed that Arya is going to flower in Winds which in their often-backwards world means that she is no longer a girl but a maiden. Not quite a woman grown but old enough to consent to sex and marriage ostensibly.

It might not be with Gendry (very likely) but Arya is definitely not going to die or survive the series a virgin.

Not that I doubt it couldn't be true, hell, I recall noticing that Arya was noticing her legs getting longer and longer in AFFC I believe, but do you have source on that for GRRM saying Arya would 'flower' in TWOW? 

Wow, not much happening here?

I have to say, I was much happier with the Jon and Arya reunion than I could have possibly imagined being.  I'll give them that. 

2 hours ago, Ran said:

A more detailed report here, compiled by several people.

Awww, is that the name of the chapter......The Forsaken?  

Now I feel even worse for Aeron.  I ALMOST feel guilty for all my groaning over his chapters, HA 

I think it might be worthwhile if we start a topic about the show as a whole over on the General forum. That way there would be less risk of going off-topic because the thread would be centered around the show as a whole rather than just the individual episodes.

It might also be better if we have the threads locked when they hit 400 replies and start a new one.

Being the one who started the last version of the thread, I did even throw in the idea in the OP that with it being the last episode of the season, that the Ranting and Raving should and could include discussion of total season, and hell, total product.

I do get the rules for length, etc., but I can't remember if.....the General GOT section has the wait for moderator approval on threads as well. If so, we'd still be in the same boat. I know many different forums do have differing preferences and rules for length of thread. I noticed that this one seemed to go with the 20 page rule, I know some go with the 200 page rule. I suppose it's about the server or programming, I wonder if this place started with a 20 page cutoff........but perhaps the 'forum programming' can handle more now? :dunno:

ETA: I belonged to one forum, another fandom, that had an auto cutoff and it would take effect and restart the thread after a few pages would disappear in internet limbo, LOL That was confusing.

If Davos can get back to CB, so can the rest of them.

There was no established reason for it. None whatsoever. It's not even proven that it works.

It does seem a bit risky with Mel batting 2 out of 3 on dead Kings. Balon Greyjoy, long may he reign. :bowdown:

He knows how to keep the Sand Snakes under control, but does he know the difference between a preganglionic fiber and a postganglionic nerve?

I'd like to know whatever happened to the poster who gave us......Depressed Doran? Damn, I could go for another installment of that if said poster is around. :crying:

Relevant quote from David Benioff from the Inside the Episode, and I'm bolding it so that you all read it:

You all need to take a seat when talking about D&D going off-book with Shireen's sacrifice. It's coming straight from GRRM.

My daughter and I watched that whole thing, and we're not seeing where they are talkign about anything expect their scene and their writing. It's them hemming and hawwing and talking bs, not very clearly, either.

I have On Demand on fast forward right now, and I'll be happy to come back with some exact quotes from the Inside Epi BS at the end. There is no way I believe that Stannis would burn Shireen for no reason but....to make it to WF?? I call BS on Stannis being involved in such in the books, and for nothing more than finishing his trip to Winterhell.

OK, LOL......who thinks Darth Maul/Night's King.........looks like.......David Benioff? lololol

Children cannot consent. And unless you want to get banned, you'll look up the forum policy on denying rape.

LOL Oh please, don't 'help.' Then again, who am I to complain if people enjoy sparring with low brows living under bridges, right? ;)